Otto Warmbier / Who travels to a foreign country to vandalize a hotel?

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Post by Somerset » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:10 am

maydijo wrote:
At the moment there aren't a lot of places in the Philippines that I would be comfortable visiting, although I've heard there are some lovely beaches there. Still, with Duterte in charge, I think I'll steer clear for a while. (I have a good friend who is from Manila. She doesn't even feel safe there anymore, and she was born and raised there.)
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Actually, Manila is more dangerous than most places in the Philippines. Mrs Somerset had to transit through Manila on her way to a wedding in Batangas recently, and she was scared and paranoid.

We were in Cebu two weeks ago and didn't notice anything significantly different than previous visits. My brother-in-law is a Customs officer at Tubigon Port, and he says that there is a somewhat greater military presence on Bohol now, but not on Mactan/Cebu (except for planes flying out of Mactan - it's the main military airport for the region). Right now the terrorist activity seems isolated to Mindanao and Southern Visayas. With the US military helping out, I hope it stays that way and recedes.

Regarding Duterte - It's probably a little safer in the Philippines overall now because of him. For better or worse, the "new sheriff" has "cleaned the place up" quite a bit (collateral damage notwithstanding), and he's still very popular and well supported. I don't agree with his methods, but it's not really fair to judge Philippine politicians by the same metrics as the US, Western Europe, Japan, etc. Petty crime, especially drug driven, is a huge drain on the quality of life in the Philippines, along with official corruption. I don't know of any way to deal with these problems quickly and decisively that won't also deprive some people of civil liberties.

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:36 pm

Tollie is right. We must protect our young people. Warmbier was a schoolmate of my daughter. Here is a eulogy of him by classmate Jake Rubin:
It was a privilege to know Otto and an unbelievable honor to help say goodbye to him. Below are my words from yesterday. Zichrono livracha.

There is an amazing story of a rabbi, named Zusya who as he got close to death would often shake with fear. His students asked him, why are you scared? You lived your life with the faith of Abraham and the purity of Moses. You have nothing to worry about. He responded, on my judgment day, I am not scared that Gd will ask me why I was not more like Abraham or Moses, but that God will ask me why I was not more like Zusya.

This will not be Otto’s problem. Otto was one of the most genuine, warm, and enthusiastic people I have ever known. He was a one of a kind character in the best sense of the word, and he lived life to its fullest as only Otto could. He was overflowing with love and could brighten anyone’s day.

Otto was a devoted son to Cindy and Fred and always in the corner of Austin and Greta. He loved you more than words can express. When he talked about you he always had the biggest smile on his face, and you knew he had to come from an incredible family. It only takes a few minutes with you all to understand how Otto became the person that we all know and love.

Otto was raised here in Wyoming, OH, and he became a part of the fabric of this community. He was the captain of his soccer team, homecoming king, and an incredible student who formed lasting relationships with his teachers. He volunteered in the community and founded a business club. Otto loved this community and the outpouring of love and support for Otto and the Warmbier family has been overwhelming and they are eternally grateful.

He then chose to come to the University of Virginia where he immediately set out to meet new friends, pursue his passions, and figure out ways to give back to his new community. Otto got involved with sustainability efforts at the University, joined the fraternity Theta Chi where he met some of his dearest friends, and applied and was accepted into the McIntire School of Commerce.

I had the privilege of getting to know Otto in 2014, when he and some of his fraternity brothers decided to travel to Israel on a Hillel Birthright trip. In a reflection that he wrote about the trip, Otto talked about how he jumped headfirst into the experience trying to learn as much as he could about Israel and Judaism. He remarked that one of the unexpected joys of the trip was finding a home in the Jewish community. He felt fortunate to have found a new community to explore his faith, but the truth is we were the fortunate ones, that Otto decided to share his remarkable self with us was a true blessing.

There is a quote in Pirkei Avot, a series of ancient rabbinic teachings that instruct on us on how to live a good life that says, “Make for yourself a teacher; acquire for yourself a friend; and judge every person in a positive manner." It is as if the rabbis knew Otto when they wrote these words.

This saying captures Otto’s essence perfectly. Make for yourself a teacher - Otto was one of the most intellectually curious people I have ever met. And I am not sure I have ever worked with a student who was so excited and proud to have found his own rabbi. He truly saw every experience and person he met as a teacher. He was genuinely curious about the people and the world around him and befriended strangers and traveled the world to try and learn more. Otto was a dedicated student and pursued his academic career with passion and determination, winning awards and scholarships.

But his passion for learning was not just reserved for academics. Otto’s interests were varied and many, and he would show the same gusto for learning about underground rap, finding the best thrift shops anywhere he went, and collecting sports memorabilia and autographs with his dad. One of Otto’s college roommates told me that he would wake up most mornings to Otto singing along off pitch but with all the confidence in the world to an underground rap artist he was currently in to. And Otto’s thrift shop game was strong. Some of my favorite memories of Otto are the sheer joy he had in wearing his outlandish finds and listening to the inevitable story that led to that treasure.

Acquire for yourself a friend - Otto could make a friend out of anyone. His humor and genuine interest could put anyone at ease and bring a smile to your face. When we were in Israel together, as sign of his growing connection with his faith, Otto decided to take on a new Hebrew name. It probably won’t surprise anyone in this room that he chose the name Amit, which means friend. He believed there was no greater calling than to be a friend – it was central to his understanding of who he was at his core.

Otto was fiercely loyal and cared deeply for his friends and loved ones. He was always there to support his friends and community and did so through good times and challenging ones. When one of his fraternity brothers passed away suddenly, I watched as Otto rallied his brothers to take care of each other and made sure to check in constantly with them to make sure they were okay. Anyone who knew Otto knew he was a hugger, even with those he was just getting to know. Often you would hear Otto say, “Bring it in, we’re gonna hug it out.” Otto always had so much love to give.

Judge everyone in a positive manner - this was one of the most remarkable qualities about Otto, and I believe it is what fueled his curiosity and strong friendships. He was kind and genuine to everyone he met, and always had something positive and of interest to share about them. He made everyone feel welcome and special whether he knew you or not. Otto was relentlessly optimistic and could find the silver lining in any situation and then help others do the same. My lasting memory of Otto is the joy and positivity with which he lived his life. He loved life and it was infectious.

As many of you may know, Otto quoted Andy Bernard from the TV show the Office in his salutatorian speech, “I wish there was a way to know you were in the good old days before you left them.” Otto, we miss you and love you. We will all remember the time we spent with you as the good old days. We only wish we had more of them.

There is a saying in Judaism, zichrono livracha, it means may his memory be a blessing. I know that for all of us who were fortunate enough to know Otto that this will be true. My prayer for all of us is that we are inspired by Otto’s memory every day to live life with joy, curiosity, kindness, and love.

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Post by maydijo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:13 am

In their interview today on Fox and Friends, the Warmbiers state that it looked like someone had taken a pair of pliers and rearranged his bottom teeth. But according to a coroner's report, his teeth were 'natural and in good repair.' So it would appear the parents are lying, but to what end?

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Post by Maybenaut » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:45 pm

Otto Warmbier’s parents and his estate were awarded $500 million in a lawsuit against North Korea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... b751f124a0
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:53 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:45 pm
Otto Warmbier’s parents and his estate were awarded $500 million in a lawsuit against North Korea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... ers-death/
Poor deluded family. They will never get to see any cent of it. And dotus will not like to have this on his hands when he plans to meet his buddy Kim again.

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Post by Maybenaut » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:09 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:53 pm
Maybenaut wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:45 pm
Otto Warmbier’s parents and his estate were awarded $500 million in a lawsuit against North Korea.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/educatio ... ers-death/
Poor deluded family. They will never get to see any cent of it. And dotus will not like to have this on his hands when he plans to meet his buddy Kim again.
I don’t think they’re deluded about the chances they’ll see any of this money. I would have done the same thing in their shoes. And I, for one, want Trump having to deal with this.
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