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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:38 pm

Hurtzi wrote:
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The Grauniad has a good photo gallery with a lot of internal pictures. The damage is very bad, but could have been much, much worse. It looks like most of the internal arches and vaults held well, in small part due to the absence of aerial waterbombing but mostly because it turns out that those architects and artisans knew what they were doing back in the day.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/galle ... n-pictures
Actually they did not know very well what they were doing. Structural analysis was not yet invented. So they tried mostly to be on the safe side and built too strong ( not always, some of the buildings crumbled during the building phase already).
Dunno. I'z just a simple academic, but from where I'm sitting knowing that you don't know stuffs and planning accordingly is a pretty important part of knowing what you're doing.


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Post by Suranis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:46 pm

There is a certain wisdom in the phrase "I have no idea."


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Post by Volkonski » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:56 pm

The original design for Notre Dame did not include flying buttresses. They were added during the construction when cracks appeared in the walls. Notre Dame was one of the first buildings to have flying buttresses.


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Post by tek » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:10 pm

Off Topic
When the Chrysler Airflow was being designed, the engineering team carefully designed the unit-body structure to have plenty of strength and stiffness.

but..

Each person detailing parts added a little more steel "because it doesn't look strong enough"

Which resulted in the vehicle weighing several hundred pounds more than it was supposed to, requiring a change in axle ratio and a need for overdrive to get reasonable highway economy.

Chrysler designed an automatic overdrive unit, but contracted out the build to Borg-Warner because with all the Airflow startup costs (in the midst of the Depression) they couldn't afford to tool up for the overdrive on short notice.

Which put Borg-Warner into the very lucrative overdrive business.


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Post by DejaMoo » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:17 pm

Good twitter thread on this...



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:40 pm

How the UK handled prior fires in historical buildings
Windsor Castle restored after fire in 1992

The renovation of the historic royal residence may give hope to those tasked with rebuilding Notre Dame Cathedral.

The Queen and the royal family are all too well aware of the devastating impact of fire on one of their own cherished historic residences.

More than a quarter of a century ago, a huge blaze broke out at Windsor Castle in 1992, damaging more than 100 rooms including the vast medieval St George’s Hall.

As France mourns for Notre Dame Cathedral left ravaged by a catastrophic fire, witnesses said they were taking comfort from Britain’s ability to bring Windsor back to its former glory.

The restoration of the Gothic castle – the family home of kings and queens for almost 1,000 years – was finished in 1997 and was described as the greatest historic building project undertaken in the UK in the 20th century.


https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk- ... e-in-1992/
several similar articles comparing various fires and reconstructions to be found on Goolge



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Post by Sam the Centipede » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:51 am

Mikedunford wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:38 pm
Hurtzi wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:53 pm
:snippity:
Actually they did not know very well what they were doing. Structural analysis was not yet invented. So they tried mostly to be on the safe side and built too strong ( not always, some of the buildings crumbled during the building phase already).
Dunno. I'z just a simple academic, but from where I'm sitting knowing that you don't know stuffs and planning accordingly is a pretty important part of knowing what you're doing.
It's certainly a fallacy to reason that because some buildings have survived for centuries therefore the builders understood what they were doing. The buildings that survive are only those that were good enough, whether by luck or good judgement. Many fell and there used to be some ancient rule of thumb for church towers along the lines of "if it stands a year it will stand forever".

Not only do we not see the fallen failures but it's also usually not obvious whether a building stands because it is well designed with plenty of reserve strength or whether it survives on luck and prayers.

Go into Amiens cathedral (northern France) and you see a mighty stone edifice. Look more closely and you see cracks in the walls and a huge wrought iron chain girdling the nave, preventing the walls from splaying further out. When the cathedral was completed, the walls were inadequate for the weight of the roof which pushed the tops of the walls outward. People wouldn't use the church because they could see it might collapse catastrophically. So the builders added flying buttresses to lean on the walls, pushing them back inwards (that's what flying buttresses do). But they messed up and landed the buttresses too low on the walls, making them ineffective, possibly even worsening the situation. So they added more height onto the buttresses and larger caps (or whatever you call the weights atop the column of a flying buttress).

Still not good enough so they added the chain to hold it all together. That holds it, but I believe the structure is carefully monitored for movement with fancy lasers and other technology.

Amiens cathedral still stands, a testament both to incompetence and competence.



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Post by pipistrelle » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:41 am

Then there’s Hagia Sophia . . .



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Post by Hurtzi » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:01 am

pipistrelle wrote:
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Then there’s Hagia Sophia . . .
It took the French nearly 200 years to build Notre Dame (1163 -1345).

The Hagia Sophia was built by the Eastern Roman Empire 532 - 537. They still had the knowledge acquired by roman builders, how to make concrete or build roads that did not transform into a swamp when it rained.

This knowledge was lost in northern Europe in the Middle Ages. The Scot. John Loudon McAdam had to reinvent the construction of roads. Concrete was reinvented around 1700.


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Post by Northland10 » Sat May 04, 2019 2:36 pm

I heard and felt this explosion last night from over 8 miles away. At first I thought it was thunder but then I figured it was some truck noise from the nearby road.

UPDATE: 1 dead, 2 missing at Waukegan industrial plant explosion
ABC 7 wrote:GURNEE, Ill. (WLS) -- Saturday morning, Waukegan Fire Chief confirms search and recovery crews have recovered one body after a large explosion in Waukegan in Lake County Friday night.

The Lake County Sheriff reports the explosion came from the AB Specialty Silicones plant in the area near Sunset Avenue and Northwestern Avenue in Waukegan. The sheriff is asking people to stay away from the area, but no evacuation order has been put in place as of 10:45 p.m.

According to the City of Waukegan Fire Marshal Steven Lenzi, the explosion happened around 9:30 p.m. Friday.

Four people have been taken to the hospital with unknown injuries. Two other at the scene did not need treatment.
Various Tweets regarding the explosion.

https://twitter.com/search?q=gurnee+exp ... r%5Esearch

Here is the recent traffic cam for the nearby intersection. The corner of the building is on the left. The building on the other side of debris filled field apparently suffered some minor damage.
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Post by Chilidog » Sat May 04, 2019 3:45 pm

It just occurred to me that at about that time. My wife looked at me and said, “ is that thunder?”



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat May 04, 2019 11:08 pm

Chilidog wrote:
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https:// twitter.com/ibhushanjoshi/status/1124530168805064704

Be sure to turn the sound up
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Post by Chilidog » Sun May 05, 2019 7:26 am

:twisted: :)



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Post by Volkonski » Thu May 23, 2019 3:52 pm

While much of the nation floods, other areas are extremely dry. :(

'Major icon,' historic area of Big Bend National Park destroyed by wildfire, officials say

https://www.chron.com/news/local/articl ... gn=twitter
Smoke from the wildfire was first spotted on Tuesday on the Mexican side of the Rio Grande River, but by 6 p.m. Wednesday park staff saw embers crossing over and causing flare ups in the park.

The fire rapidly spread, and embers landed on the barracks building at the Castolon Historic Area, which housed the La Harmonia Store and Castolon Visitor Center.

According to park officials, the fire destroyed the building and the nearby Officer's Quarters suffered slight damage. No one was injured in the blaze.

"It is heartbreaking to have lost La Harmonia, a major icon of Big Bend's history," said Acting Superintendent Tom VandenBerg. "High temperatures, extremely dry conditions, and strong winds have made this fire particularly challenging. The entire staff extends our deep appreciation to all of the fire crews who are working hard to contain this fire."


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:35 am

Fire consumes 6,000 acres in Tonto National Forest in Arizona

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/us/mount ... index.html
Strong winds are making it difficult to fight the fire, CNN affiliate KPHO reported.

Day-use areas and campgrounds near Horseshoe and Bartlett lakes have been closed, creating long lines of vehicles leaving the park, KPHO reported. The national forest covers about 3 million acres and is a popular recreational spot.

Eight engines and three crews were fighting the fire Saturday morning, along with air tankers and helicopters dipping water out of Bartlett Lake. More resources have been ordered.


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Post by Addie » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:12 pm

WFTV9
BREAKING NEWS: Gas explosion rocks Florida shopping plaza, injuries reported

PLANTATION, Fla. - Police and firefighters are investigating an explosion at a South Florida shopping plaza that injured multiple people.

The explosion happened Saturday morning at a shopping center west of Fort Lauderdale in Broward County. ...

The Plantation fire and police departments said on Twitter that the street was closed to traffic.

The fire department called it a gas explosion with "multiple patients."



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Post by neonzx » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:24 pm

Addie wrote:
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WFTV9
BREAKING NEWS: Gas explosion rocks Florida shopping plaza, injuries reported

PLANTATION, Fla. - Police and firefighters are investigating an explosion at a South Florida shopping plaza that injured multiple people.

The explosion happened Saturday morning at a shopping center west of Fort Lauderdale in Broward County. ...

The Plantation fire and police departments said on Twitter that the street was closed to traffic.

The fire department called it a gas explosion with "multiple patients."
The images of the scene are pretty dramatic considering there are no reported fatalities at this time.


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Post by Estiveo » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:41 pm

Krasnoyarsk, Russia, a fire and series of explosions are rocking a munitions warehouse complex. Evacuations taking place. Video of one of the explosions below.



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Post by Volkonski » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:32 am

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NORTHERN FIRES: A high number of wildfires burn across Greenland, in a trend at least one Copernicus Atmosphere Monitoring Service scientist has called “unprecedented" amid concerns of rising temperatures in the Arctic Circle. (link: https://abcn.ws/2KARAfZ) abcn.ws/2KARAfZ


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Post by Volkonski » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:34 pm

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AMAZON ON FIRE: A record number of wildfires have been burning in the Amazon, home to the world’s largest tropical forest seen as vital to countering global warming https://cbsn.ws/30p1pnE


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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:03 pm

My daughter in Sao Paulo says the smoke completely blocked the sun. She's sort of freaked out.



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Post by Volkonski » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:29 am

As Amazon Burns, Fires in Next-Door Bolivia Also Wreak Havoc

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/25/worl ... &smtyp=cur
In midst of the calamity, the country’s president, Evo Morales, suspended his re-election campaign on Sunday and, in a shift, welcomed foreign aid.

“Whatever cooperation is welcome, whether it comes from international organizations, celebrities or from the presidents who offered to help,” Mr. Morales said in the city of Cochabamba, where he had been campaigning for a fourth term. Bolivian officials, he vowed, would “dedicate ourselves” to the problem.

Fires, some of them set by farmers trying to clear brush, are a regular feature of the dry season in northern South America. But this year has been different.

Blazes in Bolivia’s Chiquitano forest and in the Amazon region of Brazil have been far larger, and more widespread, than in previous seasons. That has aroused international concern and, in the case of Brazil, outrage at President Jair Bolsonaro’s dismissal of the blazes’ seriousness.


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Post by Kendra » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:37 am


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responded to boat fire off the north side of Santa Cruz Island at approximately 3:28am.
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This doesn't look good for the sleeping passengers.



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