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Some good news... Paris fire department on French TV: "The structure of the cathedral will survive." #NotreDame
How stable will the outer walls of the nave be without the roof?
Interesting question. The flying buttresses brace the walls against the outward pressure of the roof, but with no outward pressure?
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Notre Dame is one of the world’s great treasures, and we’re thinking of the people of France in your time of grief. It’s in our nature to mourn when we see history lost – but it’s also in our nature to rebuild for tomorrow, as strong as we can.

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Devastating on Holy Week. President Obama put it so beautifully. This is the week for resurrection and we'll all be praying for our friends in France and that Notre Dame will come back bigger and stronger than ever.

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Mikedunford wrote:
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Some good news... Paris fire department on French TV: "The structure of the cathedral will survive." #NotreDame
How stable will the outer walls of the nave be without the roof?
Depends on whether the vaulting and arches made it, I'd guess.
The entire roof and ceiling structure are gone.
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People watching the fire and singing hymns. So sad.
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Oh good. I get accused of trolling for pointing out the basic moral failing of spending more emotional energy being sad about a building burning down than about children being molested.

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In a pathetic attempt to lighten the mood and hopefully redirect the infighting, I will just say that I hope the hunchback got out safe.

I will be over there sitting in the corner on timeout. I tell my brain to behave, but does it listen? :nope:
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I confess to being both a reasonable lawyer and an arrogant curmudgeon. I am vast. I contain multitudes. I calls 'em like I sees 'em, and I try really hard not to be dishonest.

I apologize if anyone was offended by what I said about a historical building. If I keep this up, we'll all end up with an edifice complex.
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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/statu ... 9509912577

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During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the #NotreDameFire was an intentionally malicious act

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Foggy wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:33 pm
In a pathetic attempt to lighten the mood and hopefully redirect the infighting, I will just say that I hope the hunchback got out safe.

I will be over there sitting in the corner on timeout. I tell my brain to behave, but does it listen? :nope:
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Dan1100 wrote:
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https:// twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1117915529509912577
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During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the #NotreDameFire was an intentionally malicious act
I am astonished that nobody suggested that the Catholics wre getting punished for allowing their American clergy to molest kids :twisted:

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RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:01 pm
Dan1100 wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:38 pm
https:// twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1117915529509912577
The Daily Beast t @thedailybeast

During two separate occasions on Monday afternoon, Fox anchors Shepard Smith and Neil Cavuto had to dump out of interviews after their guests wildly speculated and parroted conspiracy theories that the #NotreDameFire was an intentionally malicious act
I am astonished that nobody suggested that the Catholics wre getting punished for allowing their American clergy to molest kids :twisted:
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Why Notre Dame matters, in one Victor Hugo passage
If we lose Notre Dame, we’re not losing only a sacred space, and not only an art treasure. Notre Dame is a symbol of human accomplishment, and more than that, of social accomplishment. It’s not the work of any one person, but of generations upon generations of labor.

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“Victor Hugo” wrote:Great edifices, like great mountains, are the work of centuries. Art often undergoes a transformation while they are pending, pendent opera interrupta; they proceed quietly in accordance with the transformed art. The new art takes the monument where it finds it, incrusts itself there, assimilates it to itself, develops it according to its fancy, and finishes it if it can. The thing is accomplished without trouble, without effort, without reaction,— following a natural and tranquil law. It is a graft which shoots up, a sap which circulates, a vegetation which starts forth anew. Certainly there is matter here for many large volumes, and often the universal history of humanity in the successive engrafting of many arts at many levels, upon the same monument. The man, the artist, the individual, is effaced in these great masses, which lack the name of their author; human intelligence is there summed up and totalized. Time is the architect, the nation is the builder. […]

All these shades, all these differences, do not affect the surfaces of edifices only. It is art which has changed its skin. The very constitution of the Christian church is not attacked by it. There is always the same internal woodwork, the same logical arrangement of parts. […] The service of religion once assured and provided for, architecture does what she pleases. Statues, stained glass, rose windows, arabesques, denticulations, capitals, bas-reliefs,—she combines all these imaginings according to the arrangement which best suits her. Hence, the prodigious exterior variety of these edifices, at whose foundation dwells so much order and unity. The trunk of a tree is immovable; the foliage is capricious.
Hugo thinks of Notre Dame as a work of art authored by humanity itself, with no individual artist. It surpasses anything an individual can do and therefore becomes the best of what all of us can do.
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we'll all end up with an edifice complex.
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Well, this should put the conspiracy loons in a tizzy...

JERUSALEM'S AL-AQSA MOSQUE FIRE BURNS AT THE SAME TIME AS FLAMES ENGULF NOTRE DAME CATHEDRAL IN PARIS
A fire broke out at the revered Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem just as flames ravaged the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.

Footage showing smoke and fire emerging from the roof of a structure known as the Marwani Prayer Room, or Solomon's Stables, could be seen on social media. The Palestine News Agency, the official outlet of the Palestinian National Authority, cited a guard as saying Monday that "the fire broke out in the guard's room outside the roof of the Marwani Prayer Room, and the fire brigade of the Islamic Waqf handled the matter successfully."

News of the incident at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third holiest site in Islam and central to the ongoing Arab-Israeli conflict, was largely overshadowed by a much larger blaze engulfing the Notre Dame Cathedral at the same time.
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I just quoted the headline as the whole page is photos and tweets without much actual print. But this sounds much better than predictions earlier in the day.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -live-news
Notre Dame fire: spire and roof destroyed but main structure saved –
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Pictures from the interior. The stone vaults under the wood roof mostly intact, altar seems intact.

https://therightscoop.com/just-in-photo ... cC-3WbmTUo
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I wonder would Fierceredpanda consider that the church is being punished for leading the fight against Human Trafficking? Because, you know, they do other things other than fuck kids, and some of those things do redress the balance.

https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2019/ ... e-streets/

And I wonder would she ne up in arms about the fact that no-one gives a shit that there are more victims of Protestant sexual abuse than Catholic ones along with all the usual cover ups and stuff that only matter and are only shocking when CC priests do it?

https://newrepublic.com/article/142999/ ... se-scandal

This article on sexual abuse by prodestant clergy is from 2007. Pity it did not ignite a worldwide firestorm because no-one was interested and it must be great that Protestant abusers are let get away with it in the name of catholic kicking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html

And lets not talk about sports organisations covering it up, which means we should cheer when a football stadium burns down. If you think FIFA is not involved in covering up massive child abuse I have a middle finger to sell you.

I only found out about the fire 20 mins ago, and it was great to come here to be told by a fanatic that we should only be feeling great about it because "Catholics fuck kids!!!" Swap "Jews" for "Catholics" and it would have made some fun Nazi literature celebrating the burning down of a Synagog and talking about how they deserve it.

And hell why not deliberately burn down churches of that child molesting sex cult? They deserve it! (Waves at jimmy Saville passing by) Funny that no-one calls the BBC a child covering up orginisation...

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On the fire itself, I wonder why it spread so fast? it's a horrible tragedy for Paris regardless.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/why-not ... ast-2019-4

Because those bits were made out of oak. (Oak is flammable).

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Ya, makes sense. Oak isn't that flammable normally, but I guess anything would be like tinder after 800 odd years.
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Cool down, man, Suranis.

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Cross posting from the Buttigieg thread.


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