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Post by GreatGrey » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:08 pm

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a well known face reports...

I don't know who that is, should I?

To answer Foggy's question, no I didn't know any of them, there's very little intermingling between the 767 and 747 fleets. Neither of them ever crewed on the 747.

The two pilots were ex-Mesa Air guys, and the jumpeater was current Mesa Air.
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GreatGrey wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:08 pm
RTH10260 wrote:
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a well known face reports...

I don't know who that is, should I?

To answer Foggy's question, no I didn't know any of them, there's very little intermingling between the 767 and 747 fleets. Neither of them ever crewed on the 747.

The two pilots were ex-Mesa Air guys, and the jumpeater was current Mesa Air.
Juan Browne is the California local news reporter who followed the Oroville spillway desaster and rebuild over the last couple of years. He is pilot and flies passenger jets, also his own small plane from which he made the video clips of the Oroville lake.

Pure speculation from my side, but I have been wondering if cargo was not correctly fixed in Miami. When descent started and the nose of the plane was pointing down palettes may have slid forwards and get the plane to suddenly dive (as was reported). I still have that video clip viviidly in my head of that Airforce cargo jet that crashed on takeoff at Bagram airport several years ago.

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Post by Volkonski » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:07 pm

Video shows massive debris field in Amazon plane crash near Anahuac

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... o-16981178
New video shows just how daunting of a task investigators have ahead of them after Atlas Air flight 3591 crashed into the shallow waters of Trinity Bay on Saturday near Anahuac.
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Post by tek » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:23 pm

not quite a crash, but.. three attempts, including a wingtip strike..
WINDSOR LOCKS, CT - The Hartford Courant reported that federal investigators are looking into an incident Monday in which a Southwest Airlines plane attempted to land several times at Bradley International Airport, damaging the plane's right wing. The high winds led to severe turbulence causing several frightened passengers to vomit.

The flight eventually landed in Warwick, R.I., according to the Courant.
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Post by Volkonski » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:53 pm

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Post by ZekeB » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:01 pm

I couldn't imagine such a sudden catastrophic failure short of an explosion somewhere. The cause remains to be seen.
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Post by tek » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:26 pm

CVR has been recovered, not sure the FDR has been yet.

There has been a lot of chatter that the ADS-B data (secondary flight data reporting) showing a VERY high descent rate was just bad data, but some security cam footage has apparently surfaced that corroborates it.

The good news is that the industry is likely to learn a lot from this; I'm sure both recorders will be found.
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Post by GreatGrey » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:37 pm

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CVR has been recovered, not sure the FDR has been yet.

There has been a lot of chatter that the ADS-B data (secondary flight data reporting) showing a VERY high descent rate was just bad data, but some security cam footage has apparently surfaced that corroborates it.

The good news is that the industry is likely to learn a lot from this; I'm sure both recorders will be found.
Yeah, there's security cam footage from a fire station. https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... 655569.php
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Post by kate520 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:48 pm

GG, do you think some kind of human catastrophe like heart attack or stroke occurred?
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Post by tek » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:53 pm

Feels mechanical or electronic to me, but IANAP.
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Post by GreatGrey » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:24 pm

kate520 wrote:
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GG, do you think some kind of human catastrophe like heart attack or stroke occurred?
I honestly don’t know. I don’t think Wx did this, and the plane was mechanically sound when it left MIA.

I got some bad vibes about something sinister, sure hope I’m wrong on that.
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Post by Chilidog » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:05 pm

My paranoia is acting up.

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Post by tek » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:20 pm

I'm not there on the sinister, just because there isn't anyone I can see benefiting from the sinister.. but more could come out.
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Post by GreatGrey » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:30 pm

tek wrote:
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I'm not there on the sinister, just because there isn't anyone I can see benefiting from the sinister.. but more could come out.
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But the jumpseat guy had just been hired by United, so he didn’t have reason to go sideways.

I dunno.
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Post by kate520 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:36 pm

:shock: Another sort of human catastrophe. :pray: I hope not.
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Post by tek » Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:34 pm

today over on pprune:
NTSB recorder investigators are currently verifying and validating the FDR data, and the NTSB plans to provide a summary in an investigative update in a few days. Technical experts in the CVR group will convene in the coming week to review the entire recording and produce a transcript of the accident recording. It will be a time-consuming process to complete the transcript. The CVR group is one of the seven investigative groups established by the Investigator-in-Charge for the accident investigation.
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Post by GreatGrey » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:12 pm

From the NTSB
https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-release ... 90305.aspx

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Directors from the Office of Research and Engineering and the Office of Aviation Safety conducted an audition of the CVR as part of the NTSB’s ongoing investigation of the accident. The audition revealed the following information, which is preliminary and subject to change as the investigation continues:

The length of the recording is approximately two hours and was obtained from a download of a solid-state type cockpit voice recorder.

The recording included the final portion of the flight; however, the quality of the audio is poor.

There are times during the recording when the content of crew discussion is difficult to determine, at other times the content can be determined using advanced audio filtering.

The crew was in communication with air traffic control and were being provided radar vectors for the runway 26L approach into George Bush Intercontinental Airport.

Crew communications consistent with a loss control of the aircraft began approximately 18 seconds prior to the end of the recording.
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Post by tek » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:21 pm

FDR is going to be interesting :(
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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:35 pm

No survivors in Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 crash near Addis Ababa
By Robyn Kriel and Tara John, CNN
Updated 2119 GMT (0519 HKT) March 10, 2019

Addis Ababa, Ethiopia (CNN)All 157 people aboard an Ethiopian Airlines flight that crashed soon after taking off Sunday morning from Addis Ababa have been killed, the airline said Sunday.

The plane, en route to Nairobi, Kenya, lost contact at 8:44 a.m. local time, six minutes after taking off from Bole International Airport in the Ethiopian capital.

Flight ET302 went down near Bishoftu, southeast of Addis Ababa.

An airline spokesman told CNN the victims were of 35 different nationalities.

Thirty-two Kenyans, 18 Canadians, nine Ethiopians, eight Americans, eight Italians and eight Chinese nationals were among the passengers. Seven French and seven UK nationals were also on board, the spokesman said.

Also among the dead are several UN staff, according to an official, who said it's believed that some of the staff members were freelance interpreters. The specifics are unclear because UN staff members don't always travel with their UN passports.

Though it's unclear why UN employees were on the plane, the UN Environment Assembly is scheduled to begin Monday in Nairobi.


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/10/afri ... index.html
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Post by Lani » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:03 am

Airlines ground Boeing 737 MAX planes after Ethiopian air crash
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(CNN) Airlines in multiple countries have suspended the use of Boeing's new 737 MAX 8 aircraft over concerns about its safety, after an Ethiopian Airlines flight of the same model crashed Sunday killing all 157 on board.
I don't see any US airlines grounding their 737s. Yet.

ETA: Boeing 737 MAX is flown by Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and United Airlines. I've got to check what plane I'm on in June....
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:11 am

Lani wrote:
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Airlines ground Boeing 737 MAX planes after Ethiopian air crash
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
(CNN) Airlines in multiple countries have suspended the use of Boeing's new 737 MAX 8 aircraft over concerns about its safety, after an Ethiopian Airlines flight of the same model crashed Sunday killing all 157 on board.
I don't see any US airlines grounding their 737s. Yet.

ETA: Boeing 737 MAX is flown by Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and United Airlines. I've got to check what plane I'm on in June....
It's only the newest 737 MAx type that is grounded cause it has a new feature in its flight control computer that may have taken the pilots by surprise when acting unexpected (documented, but maybe not well trained). I have seen a radar graph of the doomed flight and it seemed to have also made some up and down lurches likes the other plane had made.

Other models of the 737 don't have that new assistance.

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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:16 am

I wonder how that couple of airline and aircraft enthusiasts are feeling after the crash of the Amazon Prime cargo plane. They filmed that plane at Miamia airport at what would become the last landing and last departure just prior to the crash shortly after near Huston.

(they published their video on Youtube, nothing spectacular, the clip will also go to NTSB)

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Post by Lani » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:24 am

RTH10260 wrote:
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:snippity: :snippity: :snippity:
ETA: Boeing 737 MAX is flown by Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and United Airlines. I've got to check what plane I'm on in June....
It's only the newest 737 MAx type that is grounded cause it has a new feature in its flight control computer that may have taken the pilots by surprise when acting unexpected (documented, but maybe not well trained). I have seen a radar graph of the doomed flight and it seemed to have also made some up and down lurches likes the other plane had made.

Other models of the 737 don't have that new assistance.
Yabbut it's the 737 MAX that the 3 US airlines are flying.
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Post by tek » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:03 am

The FDR and CVR have been recovered.

Hopefully in a day or two the investigators will get a preliminary read and have some clue as to whether these aircraft need to be grounded until things get sorted out.
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Post by Sam the Centipede » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:34 am

tek wrote:
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The FDR and CVR have been recovered.

Hopefully in a day or two the investigators will get a preliminary read and have some clue as to whether these aircraft need to be grounded until things get sorted out.
I can imagine the pilots might be thinking (and saying) "whatever happened to those other two planes, I don't want it happening to my plane". I think I'd be pushing for grounding until there's some better information about what the problem is.

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