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They're saying on DU that Obama will appear on CNN any minute.
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Patagoniagirl wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:49 pm Wait, no terrorism charges?
I'd expect a superseding indictment later. This is enough to ensure that he's held pending trial; other charges can be added later.
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Lani wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:51 am
OPA-LOCKA, Florida - Multiple sources tell ABC News that authorities have now recovered an 11th package as part of the widening investigation into suspected bombs.

Sources said the package was recovered at or near Opa-locka, Florida, and it was addressed to Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey.
https://abc7news.com/politics/suspiciou ... s/4558899/

article has been updated:
Florida man charged after weeklong bomb-package scare


FLORIDA -- The Florida man charged with sending more than a dozen package bombs to Democratic political figures is described as a troubled loner who showed little interest in politics before the rise of President Donald Trump. Cesar Sayoc, 56, of Aventura, has been an amateur body builder and male stripper. He has a history of financial problems and extensive record of past arrests, including a stint served on probation for making a bomb threat. He was charged Friday in connection with the mail bombs.

The Latest on pipe bombs sent to prominent critics of President Donald Trump (all times local):

The bank that foreclosed on the home of Cesar Sayoc, the suspect in the pipe bomb mailings, was formerly owned by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin (mih-NOO'-shin).

Sayoc lost his home in 2009 when IndyMac moved to foreclose on his south Florida home, according to Florida property and court records. IndyMac was a California-based bank that failed during the recession and was later purchased by a group of investors that included Mnuchin. IndyMac was renamed OneWest Bank.

Further, there are signs that Sayoc may have been a victim of a controversial industry practice during the recession.



https://abc7news.com/politics/suspiciou ... s/4558899/
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Reality Check wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:29 am I would imagine that the FBI could fairly quickly narrow down the post office or post offices where the packages were mailed. Then it would be a matter of interviewing USPS employees to see if they recalled the same person who may have mailed similar packages recently. Finally, they could check videos from the interior and exterior security cameras to get an ID on the person or the van. If they were lucky they could have captured a license plate.
You are giving far too much credit to the video surveillance equipment that is (or in many cases is not) installed outside of their buildings.

Interiors are seeing growing coverage, exteriors still suffer greatly in my neck of the woods.
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Dan1100 wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:32 pm
Reality Check wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:02 pm
Loren wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:10 pm This appears to be his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/

And surprise: he's a Birther.
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Hey Loren! Good to hear from you. I can imagine your reaction when you saw those.
According to the twitterers, this is another one https://twitter.com/hardrockintlent .
This one has been de-activated: : https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/

ETA both accounts have been suspended by twitter. Hope we've got some copies of them!
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Lani wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:43 pm
Dan1100 wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:32 pm
Reality Check wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:02 pm

Hey Loren! Good to hear from you. I can imagine your reaction when you saw those.
According to the twitterers, this is another one https://twitter.com/hardrockintlent .
This one has been de-activated: : https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/

ETA both accounts have been suspended by twitter. Hope we've got some copies of them!
I fiddled around and may have found ARCHIVE files for both accounts. They are not very long. Don't know if there are archive links for better/older/more complete tweets.

https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/
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ETA another
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Yes, a Democratic voter shot at Republicans while they practiced for a ball game. But, he was not stimulated by constant rhetoric spewed endlessly by a Democratic Senator, House member, or Governor holding endless brown shirt rallies.
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Someone on MSNBC earlier said he had 2 facebook pages that he was the only member of. One was called "KillGeorgeSoros" and I forget the other one.
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If you notice, while I commended the FBI for capturing Cesar Sayoc, I didn’t condemn what he did. Many people think he’s an American hero. Believe me. #MAGAVan #MAGABomber #cesarsayoc
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I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.
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RVInit wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:04 pm
If you notice, while I commended the FBI for capturing Cesar Sayoc, I didn’t condemn what he did. Many people think he’s an American hero. Believe me. #MAGAVan #MAGABomber #cesarsayoc
WTF? Is that the fake one?
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Sugar Magnolia wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:09 pm
WTF? Is that the fake one?
Fake. Look carefully at the spelling of the name.
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Sugar Magnolia wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:04 pm Someone on MSNBC earlier said he had 2 facebook pages that he was the only member of. One was called "KillGeorgeSoros" and I forget the other one.
"KillAllSocialists"
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This guy seems to be taking it well:

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AndyinPA wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:54 pm I've not heard much about this lately, but it certainly seems to fit this situation. It's called stochastic terrorism and it makes twitler a stochastic terrorist.

http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.com/ :)
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.

This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings. As of this writing, there is no evidence to link Jared Loughner to a specific source of incitement; but some of the other cases can be clearly linked.

The stochastic terrorist is the person who is responsible for the incitement. For example they go on radio or television and stir up hatred toward a particular person or group.
I shared something about stochastic terrorism a while back. Articles about this have popped up in a few places over the last few days. Here are a couple of excerpts from two such articles.

From the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opin ... soros.html
This Week’s Mail Bombs Are No Surprise
They are examples of stochastic terrorism — individually random, but these days, statistically predictable.
By Eyal Press
Mr. Press is the author of “Beautiful Souls” and “Absolute Convictions.”
Oct. 25, 2018
:snippity: The event in question was the murder of Barnett Slepian, an abortion provider from the Buffalo suburb of Amherst who, 20 years ago this week, was shot while standing in his kitchen by James Charles Kopp, an anti-abortion extremist.

Dr. Slepian’s murder was not an isolated act. It came amid a wave of violent terrorism targeting abortion providers in the mid-1990s, including a series of shootings and sniper attacks that took the lives of six doctors and clinic workers. It also came after years of increasingly confrontational protests at Buffalo WomenServices, the clinic where Dr. Slepian worked.

The anti-abortion protesters in Buffalo, as elsewhere in the country, claimed to be nonviolent, invoking the example of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and portraying themselves as defenders of innocent life. But their abrasive rhetoric and tactics sent a different message. Not infrequently, women arriving for appointments at Buffalo WomenServices and other clinics in Western New York were screamed at and harassed. The physicians who provided them with care were likewise verbally threatened and denounced as “killers” and “mass murderers,” sometimes at demonstrations in front of their homes.

It was a bullet, not those words, that ended Dr. Slepian’s life. But by repeatedly using rhetoric that demonized abortion providers as monstrous “baby killers,” the protesters increased the likelihood that someone in their ranks would eventually decide using lethal force to stop them was justified.
Also, from Quartz:
https://qz.com/1436267/trump-stochastic ... -violence/
Stochastic terror and the cycle of hate that pushes unstable Americans to violence
By Heather Timmons

In recent years, America has experienced a “dramatic increase in attacks by disaffected people, and people searching for some sense of accomplishment,” Cohen said. They connect with a “cause” whether it is white supremacy or Al Qaeda, and then “use for a motive of committing a violent attack,” spurred on by what they’re seeing on social media and the internet. The people most easily swayed by hateful rhetoric are often “looking for legitimacy and a sense of validation for their violent tendencies,” Cohen said.

The National Institute of Justice, the US DOJ’s research arm, published a report this June synthesizing different research that it had funded in recent years on the US’s homegrown terrorism problem. So called ”lone-wolf” terrorists “frequently combined personal grievances (i.e., perceptions that they had been personally wronged) with political grievances (i.e., perceptions that a government entity or other political actor had committed an injustice),” the report found.

In particular, “feeling that one (or one’s group) has been treated unfairly, discriminated against, or targeted by others may lead individuals to seek justice or revenge against those they blame for this situation,” the report notes.

Back in 2011, an anonymous writer coined the term “stochastic terrorism” to refer to “the use of mass communication to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable,” or, in other words “remote control terror by lone wolf.”
:snippity:

The term was quickly embraced by the Pell Center for International Relations and Public Policy, among others, to describe Trump’s violence-tinged campaign statements. Pell also recalled a potential example of stochastic terror from the 1960s: Dallas newspapers and flyers accused John F. Kennedy Jr. of being a “traitor” and a “communist,” just before he was assassinated there.

The motives of Kennedy’s killer, Lee Harvey Oswald, have never been fully understood. But some biographers believe the atmosphere of “hatred, hysteria and fear” in Dallas culminated in his death.
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Sugar Magnolia wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:09 pm
RVInit wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:04 pm
If you notice, while I commended the FBI for capturing Cesar Sayoc, I didn’t condemn what he did. Many people think he’s an American hero. Believe me. #MAGAVan #MAGABomber #cesarsayoc
WTF? Is that the fake one?
Yes. I should have pointed that out, I figured everyone here is familiar with this fake account.
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Estiveo wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:14 pm
Sugar Magnolia wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:04 pm Someone on MSNBC earlier said he had 2 facebook pages that he was the only member of. One was called "KillGeorgeSoros" and I forget the other one.
"KillAllSocialists"
I read on a fake news web page that he was kicked out of Mom's basement and was living in that nicely detailed van. Having no job, I wonder what socialist government agency was supporting him. :?:
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So the package bomber was radicalized by Trump, Hannity, etc. :notlistening:
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Volkonski wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:24 pm
hahahahaha

You think DJT pays any attention at all to his briefings?
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tek wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:10 pm You think DJT pays any attention at all to his briefings?
I'm sure that, to Trump, the only briefings that hold his attention, speak to his level of knowledge, and matter to him are the ones on Fox News.
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Patagoniagirl wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:49 pm Wait, no terrorism charges?
https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... oc/574144/
Why the Mail Bomber Wasn’t Charged With Terrorism

For domestic actors without such connections, the law—and the intelligence community’s investigative powers—runs up against First Amendment and other civil-liberties protections. The U.S. government does not formally designate domestic terrorist organizations. So it may not be illegal to give money to a domestic extremist group like Aryan Nations, even if some members commit violence.

“The First Amendment protects the right of people to associate with each other,” said Mary McCord, a former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the Justice Department who is currently a professor at Georgetown Law. “And it certainly protects the right for people to express their points of view, political or otherwise.”

“We don’t worry about that with foreign terrorist organizations because foreign terrorist organizations don’t have First Amendment rights under the U.S. constitution,” McCord said.

What about once an attack has been committed? Sayoc has not been charged with the federal crime of domestic terrorism, because there is no such federal crime. But domestic terrorists can still face severe penalties.
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Lani wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:43 pm This one has been de-activated: : https://twitter.com/hardrock2016/

ETA both accounts have been suspended by twitter. Hope we've got some copies of them!
I did, indeed, save the first one as a a very long PDF file.

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Slate: What We Know About The Man Arrested In Connection With Pipe Bombs Sent to Democrats:
According to CNN, Sayoc had been living in the van after being kicked out of his parents’ home.

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In a lawsuit, Sayoc said he had been the manager of a strip club called Stir Crazy for 35 years. He said he had formerly been a wrestler, a Chippendales dancer, a professional soccer player, and an arena football player, according to the Post. A cousin, who described Sayoc as a “loner,” confirmed to the Associated Press that he had been an amateur body builder and worked as a stripper. Records show Sayoc had been plagued over the last decade by financial troubles, losing his home in a foreclosure in 2009 and filing for bankruptcy in 2012.

He attended Brevard College in North Carolina in the 1980s, according to the Asheville Citizen Times, and he played soccer there but did not graduate. He also attended UNC Charlotte, where he played soccer but did not graduate.

A Twitter account that appeared to belong to Sayoc (and has now been removed) showed a number of conspiracy theorist, crude, and offensive tweets, as well as some of a threatening nature. In his bio, he claims to be a “Former Professional Soccer Player, Wrestler, Cage Fighter.”
The Slate article also has a screenshot of the Dreams-from-My-Real-Father tweet.
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