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Post by Reality Check » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:32 pm

I have been trying to figure out exactly what went on with the Virgina SBE and the Fairfax County provisional ballots. I think Rachael gave the mistaken impression that the voter had to be present to have their vote counted. That is apparently not true. The board will still examine the ballot on the merits whether anyone is present or not. I hope Rachael corrects that tonight. I notice in the s[link]tatement,http://electionlawblog.org/?p=56641&utm ... ion+Law%29[/link] released by Secretary of the SBE Donald Palmer he referred to the "Democrat" representative. I think I know which news channel he watches. :lol:
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Post by Welsh Dragon » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:22 pm

With all the votes counted Mark Herring seems to lead by 163. Now the wait for certification then the recount ...

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Post by Reality Check » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:13 pm

IIRC during the recount the counties hand count all the ballots that were counted by the scanners so the totals can change. If it is like MN during the Franken-Coleman race in 2008 either candidate can challenge a ballot then the state board reviews all the challenges and rules. This could take weeks.
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Post by Foggy » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:56 am

If it is like MN during the Franken-Coleman race in 2008 ...... then what do they do with the Lizard People vote? :lol:
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Post by SueDB » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:56 am

Last flash I saw, Mr. Herring was still ahead by a little over a 100.
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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:57 am

Herring has declared himself the winner at this point. The recount most likely won't change much.

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Post by Tarrant » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:13 pm

Oh noes, it was voter fraud, says Freep! Well, really the Federalist Press but Freep has an already huge comment thread.[/break1]com/evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud-found-in-virginia-governors-race.php?fb_action_ids=780333101992284]http://federalistpress.com/evidence-of- ... 3101992284Richmond, VA–Merely hours after the close of a bitter and divisive Governor’s race in Virginia that saw Democrat Terry McAuliffe pull out a win over Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, irregularities in voting data have emerged. According to mainstream media outlets McAuliffe supposedly defeated Cuccinelli in a razor-thin 47-46 percent victory to become the next Governor of the great state of Virginia.Immediately following the announcement, Cuccinelli’s office opened a full investigation into the legitimacy of the vote and quickly turned up surprising results. In 13 districts, multiple instances of intimidation at the polls were reported. Large black men wearing traditional Black Panther garb were reported lingering around polling places approaching older voters asking questions about who they intended on voting for. In Loudoun and Fairfax counties (traditional Democratic strongholds), election officials withheld submitting voter data in order to get an idea of whether to count absentee ballots or not. In an audit of the voter registration information, it quickly became apparent that MULTIPLE votes were cast by people who were either deceased or had long ago moved out of the district.According to exit polling Cuccinelli won the race by big margins reaching a high percent of the key voting blocks of women, Latinos and Blacks.The Black Panthers! Can't these guys get a new schtick? And exit polling showing Cuccinelli with a high percentage of women, blacks, and Latinos? What exit polls were these? Must have been Unskewed.Here's the part that will screw them, not like the Freepers will care when it doesn't happen:Sources within Cuccinelli’s office have warned that “this is not over” and that Ken will be challenging the results of the election in court.When he doesn't file said lawsuit - given he's the attorney general there's no one in his way - the Freepers will assume he was threatened, blah blah blah. When in reality this article was made up from whole cloth.

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Post by listeme » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:17 pm

It was a little over 2.5 percent. He can't ask for a recount.Loons.
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Post by Tarrant » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:22 pm

(Damn, the freepers are also figuring out the article is fake)

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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:23 pm

Tarrant it actually is a reprint of the nationalreport.net article last week[/break1]net/evidence-voter-fraud-found-virginia-governors-race/]http://nationalreport.net/evidence-vote ... nors-race/Nationalreport.net is a satire site you can tell by the articles such as:Wyoming Christians Report Forced Obamacare RFID ChippingUganda Wins Coveted Gold Tea Leaf Award With “His Excellency” Amin BrewAnalysts Forecast Drop In Holiday Spending As More Families Rely On Presents From Santa ClausAssassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag Not for Children – Parents Read This Review Before You Buy!“Toronto Crack” Exceptional Says Visitors… Tourists Flock to Toronto for Crack Trade

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Post by Reality Check » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:50 pm

I have done so quick scan of the recount section of the Virginia election law and it is not at all like Minnesota. Robert Hasen at [link]Slate,http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ld_win.htm[/link] gave a good summary. First, the [link]recount,http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... d+24.2-802[/link] is not a hand recount. For optically scanned ballots the ballots are run through the machines again and they are programmed to read only that race. Where touch screens are used the same tape printouts with the totals that were used before are counted. The is no challenge mechanism. If the difference in the certified count is less than 0.5% the apparent loser does not have to pay. I would think it is unlikely for Obenshain to make up the difference in a recount unless there is a lot of variability in the way the machines read the optiscan ballots. After the recount the apparent loser can then file an [link]election contest,http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... d+24.2-803[/link]. Here is where it gets strange. Instead of the contest being decided by the courts it falls to the General Assembly to decide. In the case of the election of the attorney general it is up to a joint session of the House of Delegates and the Senate to decide. The rules are vague on what criteria are used:The notice shall state the grounds on which the contestant intends to contest the election. The grounds shall include (i) objections to the eligibility of the contestee based on specific allegations, (ii) objections to the conduct or results of the election accompanied by specific allegations which, if proven true, would have a probable impact on the outcome of the election, or (iii) both.There contestant has to post a bond in an amount of $100 per precinct to pay for the contestee's cost in case the contest is unsuccessful. I can conceive of a scenario where the Republicans could just declare Obenshain the winner. Herring's only recourse would then be in federal court.
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Post by listeme » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:59 pm

I can conceive of a scenario where the Republicans could just declare Obenshain the winner. Herring's only recourse would then be in federal court.Fwiw, I really don't see that happening.
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Post by Reality Check » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:29 pm

Fwiw, I really don't see that happening.I hope you are correct. So far the canvassing has been done in a professional manner as far as I can tell.
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Post by SPen » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:15 am

I've been meaning to update but obviously it's been really hectic here.Herring pretty much has this. The margins don't really change much during the recount, that's usually taken care of during the canvass before the results are certified. Most of the tabulation errors were already cleared up and Herring's lead is large enough at this point for him to feel pretty confident. Anything in the triple-digits would give him this confidence because it would take something to come out of nowhere (practically verging on foul play) to dramatically impact the margin to where he'd lose the lead.

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:50 am

Or finding a misplaced ballot box stuffed with votes for Obenshain.

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Post by SueDB » Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:09 am

Now, just where did we hide dem repug ballots dere, Jed? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:46 pm

The Virginia Governor's race is an excellent example that sometimes the most important determining factor is not which candidate becomes your party's nominee, but rather which candidate the opposition party nominates. McAuliffe would have been crushed by a moderate Republican.Thank you Teabaggers. :taunt:

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Post by SPen » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:05 am

The Virginia Governor's race is an excellent example that sometimes the most important determining factor is not which candidate becomes your party's nominee, but rather which candidate the opposition party nominates. McAuliffe would have been crushed by a moderate Republican.





Thank you Teabaggers. :taunt:This is somewhat true. If the Republican nominee was Bill Bolling then yes, McAuliffe would have probably lost by 5-10 points. There really aren't "moderate Republicans" in Virginia though. Bolling is what constitutes a "moderate Republican" in VA because Cuccinelli really has become the norm when it comes to Virginia Republicans. Outgoing Governor Bob McDonnell tried to bill himself as a moderate but as soon as he started governing and people started looking into his record they realized he had the same crazy social views as Cuccinelli and everyone else





If Herring holds onto this lead and becomes the next AG this is big, big news for the blue team. It's not an exaggeration: the AG position really is the launching pad for a gubernatorial campaign in our state and Herring would be a fantastic candidate assuming he does his new job as we would expect. The state would be four years bluer and the main thing Democrats are hoping T-Mac can do over these next for years is build the state party up. The DPVA has been a mess and the gerrymandering in this state has really limited what can be accomplished this decade. But whoever follows McAuliffe will be holding the veto pen for post-2020 redistricting, meaning it's our best shot to get court-drawn district lines during the remap. That means if it's Herring or another Democrat holding that pen, and if we've been able to build up our state party from 2013-2021, there's a great chance the Democrats will finally be able to flip the House of Delegates, gain a permanent edge in the State Senate, and make this a full-fledged blue state from top to bottom.





We can win the statewide races but we need T-Mac to keep using his fundraising prowess to build our state party, and hopefully some of the Obama talent that flooded into the state will stick around and keep working on building a campaign infrastructure for the 2015 State Senate races. There's a whole lot more work to be done, but getting McAuliffe and Northam elected was a great start and if Herring can hold on that would be absolutely gamechanging.

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Post by ProudObot » Sat Nov 16, 2013 12:15 am

The Virginia Governor's race is an excellent example that sometimes the most important determining factor is not which candidate becomes your party's nominee, but rather which candidate the opposition party nominates. McAuliffe would have been crushed by a moderate Republican.Thank you Teabaggers. :taunt:Hmmmm. The names Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell come to mind. :-

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Post by Foggy » Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:51 am

Humph. If Cooch had been a REAL conservative, he would have won. That's the very most ipso kinda facto you're ever gonna see. =;Or, maybe there was massive voter fraud with Mickey Mouse voting and the ballots bein' counted in Spain or sumptin'. I haven't quite decided yet. :confuzzled:
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Post by Whatever4 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:19 am

[link]The victor in Virginia’s attorney general race stands a chance of losing,http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/virginia-att ... al-recount[/link]From MSNBC:Even if Democrat Mark Herring ends up with more votes than his Republican rival Mark Obenshain in the tightly contested Virginia attorney general’s race, he could still lose.Herring is currently ahead of Obenshain by a follicle–the current official count states that Herring has 164 more votes than Obenshain out of more than two million cast. A recount is all but guaranteed and litigation seems likely. But even if after the dust clears Herring remains in the lead, under Virginia law, Obenshain could contest the result in the Republican dominated Virginia legislature, which could declare Obenshain the winner or declare the office vacant and order a new election.“If they can find a hook to demonstrate some sort of irregularity, then there’s nothing to prevent them from saying our guy wins,” says Joshua Douglas, an election law expert and professor at the University of Kentucky College of Law. “There’s no rules here, besides outside political forces and public scrutiny.” ...The Virginia attorney general’s race already has a potential justification–the controversy over nearly 500 provisional ballots in Fairfax County. Voters cast provisional ballots if there’s some question about their eligibility to vote. The idea is to ensure that every legitimate vote is counted, rather than turning voters away if say, they are mistakenly not on the rolls. Elections rarely come down to provisional ballots, but they’re also rarely this close. Both candidates announced Wednesday that they were moving ahead with appointing transition teams.[link]More at the link.,http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/virginia-att ... al-recount[/link]
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Post by realist » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:01 am

[link]WAPO,http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir ... story.html[/link]





Herring wins Virginia attorney general race, elections board announces





The state Board of Elections on Monday certified Democrat Mark Herring as the winner of the Nov. 5 election for Virginia attorney general.





Herring, a state senator from Loudoun County, beat state Sen. Mark Obenshain (R), by 165 votes out of more than 2 million votes cast.





Obenshain is likely to ask for a recount in the contest, the closest statewide race in Virginia history.
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Post by SueDB » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:35 am

[link]WAPO,http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/vir ... story.html[/link]





Herring wins Virginia attorney general race, elections board announces





The state Board of Elections on Monday certified Democrat Mark Herring as the winner of the Nov. 5 election for Virginia attorney general.





Herring, a state senator from Loudoun County, beat state Sen. Mark Obenshain (R), by 165 votes out of more than 2 million votes cast.





Obenshain is likely to ask for a recount in the contest, the closest statewide race in Virginia history.And that folks completes the Virginia Trifecta. 8-)
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Post by Suranis » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:50 am

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Post by Foggy » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:59 am

^^^ what he said.
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