Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

User avatar
Chilidog
Posts: 8513
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:36 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1151

Post by Chilidog » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:12 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:52 am
I don't know how I managed it but I ended up on a certain site where they were giving out advice about a certain event. It was gag city, including this:

Hidden Content
This board requires you to be registered and logged-in to view hidden content.
Can you put milk in Jewish coffee, or is that not kosher?



User avatar
Sterngard Friegen
Posts: 43724
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:32 am
Location: Over the drawbridge

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1152

Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:18 pm

I'm with Dan.



User avatar
DejaMoo
Posts: 3775
Joined: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:19 pm
Occupation: Agent of ZOG

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1153

Post by DejaMoo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:30 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:05 pm
Security ramped up for white nationalist Richard Spencer's Florida event today

http://abcnews.go.com/US/security-rampe ... d=50585570
Security costs for the University of Florida Police Department, Gainesville Police Department, Alachua County Sheriff's Office, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol and other agencies total more than $500,000, according to the school website.

School President W. Kent Fuchs has since said the spending is closer to $600,000, The Associated Press reported.
Seems to me that Richard Spenser should be responsible for those extra costs.
Yeah, I'm a bit puzzled by the actions of these public universities, wringing their hands and acting like they have no other option but to take a big financial hit when a group holds a major and costly event on their campuses. Permits, insurance, and bonds are the time-honored methods to protect the public and facilities from potential losses from an entity's use of the facility. Both the local university and a nearby small town have on occasion turned down permit requests from groups planning events, on the (to me, reasonable) basis that the events would draw much larger crowds than the facility could accommodate and control. I recall a planned PETA rally that was stymied by the group's lack of permit and insurance.

Yes, a public facility should have an open-door policy in the interest of free speech and exchange of views. But there's no law against charging the event organizers for associated costs, nor for demanding payment or a surety bond up front.



User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 6607
Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2016 4:31 pm

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1154

Post by RVInit » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:32 pm

DejaMoo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:30 pm

Yeah, I'm a bit puzzled by the actions of these public universities, wringing their hands and acting like they have no other option but to take a big financial hit when a group holds a major and costly event on their campuses. Permits, insurance, and bonds are the time-honored methods to protect the public and facilities from potential losses from an entity's use of the facility. Both the local university and a nearby small town have on occasion turned down permit requests from groups planning events, on the (to me, reasonable) basis that the events would draw much larger crowds than the facility could accommodate and control. I recall a planned PETA rally that was stymied by the group's lack of permit and insurance.

Yes, a public facility should have an open-door policy in the interest of free speech and exchange of views. But there's no law against charging the event organizers for associated costs, nor for demanding payment or a surety bond up front.
:yeah:


"I know that human being and fish can coexist peacefully"
--- George W Bush

ImageImage

User avatar
neeneko
Posts: 1203
Joined: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:08 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1155

Post by neeneko » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:02 pm

DejaMoo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:30 pm
Yes, a public facility should have an open-door policy in the interest of free speech and exchange of views. But there's no law against charging the event organizers for associated costs, nor for demanding payment or a surety bond up front.
There are politics involved. The right has made a big deal out of universities squashing their free speech, and even the move of making them pay associated costs gets re-framed as liberal universities being unfair to conservatives.



User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 16681
Joined: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:44 pm
Location: Texas Gulf Coast and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired Mechanical Engineer

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1156

Post by Volkonski » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:05 pm



Image“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace

User avatar
Sugar Magnolia
Posts: 9121
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:44 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1157

Post by Sugar Magnolia » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:59 pm

Most of the articles I've read explain why they can't charge the additional costs to Spencer. It's a First Amendment issue and has been settled in court already. They can only be charged for rental of the facility and security at the facility, not on the rest of the campus or in town or anywhere else.

Gov Scott's declaration of emergency allows the college to coordinate with State and local law enforcement agencies so everybody from the FL State police to campus security will be there.



User avatar
maydijo
Posts: 2593
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:23 pm
Location: where women glow and men plunder
Occupation: harassing marsupials

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1158

Post by maydijo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:11 pm

Chilidog wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:12 pm
pipistrelle wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:52 am
I don't know how I managed it but I ended up on a certain site where they were giving out advice about a certain event. It was gag city, including this:

Hidden Content
This board requires you to be registered and logged-in to view hidden content.
Can you put milk in Jewish coffee, or is that not kosher?
It depends. Was the cow circumcised?



User avatar
pipistrelle
Posts: 4438
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:26 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1159

Post by pipistrelle » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:17 pm

Found out a friend went (NOT as a Spencer supporter). Posted photos showing a 3/4 empty auditorium. Lots of protestors.



User avatar
Sterngard Friegen
Posts: 43724
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:32 am
Location: Over the drawbridge

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1160

Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:19 pm

maydijo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:11 pm
Can you put milk in Jewish coffee, or is that not kosher?
It depends. Was the cow circumcised?
maydijo, that's not a very smart comment. Everybody knows that cows aren't Jewish.



User avatar
RoadScholar
Posts: 6822
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:25 am
Location: Baltimore
Occupation: Historic Restoration Woodworker
Contact:

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1161

Post by RoadScholar » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:25 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:19 pm
maydijo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:11 pm
Can you put milk in Jewish coffee, or is that not kosher?
It depends. Was the cow circumcised?
maydijo, that's not a very smart comment. Everybody knows that cows aren't Jewish.
Would that make it a brisskit of beef?


The bitterest truth is healthier than the sweetest lie.
X3

User avatar
Chilidog
Posts: 8513
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:36 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1162

Post by Chilidog » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:29 pm

:mrgreen: :rotflmao:



User avatar
Northland10
Posts: 6596
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:19 am
Location: Chicago area - North burbs

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1163

Post by Northland10 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:39 pm

RoadScholar wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:25 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:19 pm
maydijo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:11 pm

It depends. Was the cow circumcised?
maydijo, that's not a very smart comment. Everybody knows that cows aren't Jewish.
Would that make it a brisskit of beef?
:rimshot:


North-land: of the family 10
UCC 1-106 Plural is Singular, Singular is Plural.

User avatar
maydijo
Posts: 2593
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:23 pm
Location: where women glow and men plunder
Occupation: harassing marsupials

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1164

Post by maydijo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:33 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:19 pm
maydijo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:11 pm
Can you put milk in Jewish coffee, or is that not kosher?
It depends. Was the cow circumcised?
maydijo, that's not a very smart comment. Everybody knows that cows aren't Jewish.
Well that's rather speciest. I used to have a Mormon dog (the other was dognostic, he was open to the idea of a Supreme Dog but he didn't know which breed was true), and we currently have a Catholic ewe, she's always telling us off for doing the wrong thing. Why can't cows be Jewish?



User avatar
Sterngard Friegen
Posts: 43724
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:32 am
Location: Over the drawbridge

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1165

Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:42 pm

Udderly impossible. Because the cow would need a Jewish mother.



User avatar
maydijo
Posts: 2593
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:23 pm
Location: where women glow and men plunder
Occupation: harassing marsupials

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1166

Post by maydijo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:44 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:42 pm
Udderly impossible. Because the cow would need a Jewish mother.
Couldn't she have a mookveh?



User avatar
maydijo
Posts: 2593
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:23 pm
Location: where women glow and men plunder
Occupation: harassing marsupials

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1167

Post by maydijo » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:51 pm

Theological argument in favour of cows being Jewish: God created them and there is no evidence any cow was ever converted. Therefore if the first cow was Jewish, all subsequent cows are too.

Ha! I didn't even have to go to yeshiva to come up with that one! The rabbi from my old Hillel days (I was a chronic shabbat crasher back in uni) would be proud. Or embarrassed.



Somerset
Posts: 3600
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:52 am
Location: Silicon Valley
Occupation: Lab rat

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1168

Post by Somerset » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:27 am

I thought cows were Hindu ;)

(And I'm expecting a Greenie to step in any minute now :) )



User avatar
maydijo
Posts: 2593
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:23 pm
Location: where women glow and men plunder
Occupation: harassing marsupials

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1169

Post by maydijo » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:21 am

Somerset wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:27 am
I thought cows were Hindu ;)

(And I'm expecting a Greenie to step in any minute now :) )
Oh no! That's evidence they're Bundys - they think they should be worshipped!!



User avatar
Suranis
Posts: 15515
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:04 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1170

Post by Suranis » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:02 am

I'm just in this thread for the food.


"The devil...the prowde spirite...cannot endure to be mocked.” - Thomas Moore

User avatar
Gregg
Posts: 1258
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:09 am
Location: Cincinnati, OH USA
Occupation: We build cars

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1171

Post by Gregg » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:07 am

Volkonski wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:05 pm
Security ramped up for white nationalist Richard Spencer's Florida event today

http://abcnews.go.com/US/security-rampe ... d=50585570
Security costs for the University of Florida Police Department, Gainesville Police Department, Alachua County Sheriff's Office, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol and other agencies total more than $500,000, according to the school website.

School President W. Kent Fuchs has since said the spending is closer to $600,000, The Associated Press reported.
Seems to me that Richard Spenser should be responsible for those extra costs.

I don't know the exact legal reasons, but the university has said that they cannot legally ban him and some other law prevents them from making him pay any increased security costs.
His next speech is in my neck of the woods at the University of Cincinnati which caved when he threatened to sue if they tried to prevent him from speaking. It is important to note here that nobody invited him to come (unlike the fizzle in Berkely where some student group did). A friend of mine with some connections at UC is trying to get them to adopt a policy of denying use of University facilities to anyone not invited by some student or college affiliated organization to come. Won't help them now but maybe in the future and even more, maybe a model for other public colleges to use to prevent the abuse of their campuses.


Honorary Commander, 699th Airborne Assault Dachshund Regiment
Deadly Sausage Dogs from the Sky

User avatar
Sugar Magnolia
Posts: 9121
Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:44 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1172

Post by Sugar Magnolia » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:11 am

Gregg wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:07 am
A friend of mine with some connections at UC is trying to get them to adopt a policy of denying use of University facilities to anyone not invited by some student or college affiliated organization to come. Won't help them now but maybe in the future and even more, maybe a model for other public colleges to use to prevent the abuse of their campuses.
They can't refuse to rent the space to them since it's a publicly funded space. Auburn (and Berkley?) has already been through court so it's settled that they can't refuse them, regardless of whether they're invited or not. That's why the colleges keep backing down when Spencer threatens to sue. They know they'll lose.



User avatar
Fortinbras
Posts: 2586
Joined: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:08 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1173

Post by Fortinbras » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:52 am

Yes, you can put milk in "Jewish" coffee, but then you cannot drink it with a meat meal.

Maxwell House coffee is (insufferably) proud of the fact that it was the very first coffee to be authoritatively declared to be kosher for Passover, going back to about 1930. Prior to that, the common notion that coffee was made from "coffee beans" made coffee unfit for Passover because Ashkenaz Jews do not eat beans during Passover. But Maxwell House went to the very considerable trouble of sending experts to rabbininal councils to explain that what were called "coffee beans" were unrelated to legumes and were actually fruit, more closely related to cherries, and so coffee was declared kosher for Passover.

This applies to regular coffee. Certain processed or flavored coffees are still not kosher or not kosher-for-Passover, because of the added ingredients. For example there is a very expensive foreign coffee that involves a civet cat, and there's no way that will ever be kosher.

Starbucks is Jewish-owned. Caribou Coffee is Arab-owned. I have no idea about Foster Brothers or Seattle's Best or Maxwell House.



User avatar
Tiredretiredlawyer
Posts: 6436
Joined: Tue May 10, 2016 2:56 pm
Location: Animal Planet
Occupation: Permanent probationary slave to 2 dogs, 1 cat, and 1 horse

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1174

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:35 am

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:19 pm
maydijo wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:11 pm
Can you put milk in Jewish coffee, or is that not kosher?
It depends. Was the cow circumcised?
maydijo, that's not a very smart comment. Everybody knows that cows aren't Jewish.
:rotflmao:


"The people must know before they can act, and there is no educator to compare with the press." - Ida B. Wells-Barnett, journalist, newspaper editor, suffragist, feminist and founder with others of NAACP.

User avatar
arayder
Posts: 464
Joined: Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:06 am

Re: Neo-Nazi / White Supremacist News

#1175

Post by arayder » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:47 am

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:11 am
Gregg wrote:
Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:07 am
A friend of mine with some connections at UC is trying to get them to adopt a policy of denying use of University facilities to anyone not invited by some student or college affiliated organization to come. Won't help them now but maybe in the future and even more, maybe a model for other public colleges to use to prevent the abuse of their campuses.
They can't refuse to rent the space to them since it's a publicly funded space. Auburn (and Berkley?) has already been through court so it's settled that they can't refuse them, regardless of whether they're invited or not. That's why the colleges keep backing down when Spencer threatens to sue. They know they'll lose.
I am not up on the legalities of all this so I ask why the cities or states involved couldn't charge Spenser with inciting a riot (provided of course his language really would incite other to riot). One might argue that we don't need to split hairs about his language if the white supremacists go out after his speech and start beating up folks and waving guns around.



Post Reply

Return to “Other Fringe Groups & Individuals”