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Post by SueDB » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:49 pm

When he debunked the video, David Packman (I think that's his name) pointed out that as is typical of many of these videos, they throw a lot of information at you very quickly.I first noticed that many years ago when I watched a fake moon landing video (A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, I think it was called). A lot of information is presented very quickly. They don't dwell on any one thing for too long. I suppose they do this so the critical viewer doesn't have time to really think about each piece of evidence.That's one of the reasons I feel watching them is a waste of time.There is a Dr. Duane Gish out on the Creationism non-debate circle. When he gets flustered, he does the "Gish Gallop". Throws a whole bunch of really stupid shit at you at one time, declares victory, and goes into LALALALALALALALA mode. :notlistening: :notlistening: :notlistening:
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Post by TollandRCR » Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:55 pm

Some analysts saw Romney doing the Gish Gallop in the first debate.
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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:13 pm

Some analysts saw Romney doing the Gish Gallop in the first debate.Thanks Tollie. At the 1:01 mark there is a reference to Christopher Monckton....A Creation-science Birther and global Climate Change Alarmist! :D

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Post by jtmunkus » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:15 pm

I tried sarcasm. I told him if he really thought Gene Rosen was a child molester, he should call the authorities. If I were him I wouldn't want the next child he molests on my conscience.Seriously, why would anyone think the guy is a child molester?Because it's the most vile accusation that springs into a depraved mind, and these conspiracy theorists are the lowest form of vermin, worthy of nothing but contempt from anyone over the level of whale shit. These scum should not be able to go out in public without being spat on.It's hard to imagine the repulsive and degraded mind of someone who would buy into such shit.Lower, even, than the Westboro Baptist Klan.

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Post by TollandRCR » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:46 pm

This is just one of the ways in which these people concoct vast conspiracies out of nothing and deny the horror of what really happened:[link]SANDY HOOK & THE FEATHERED SERPENTS OF ORION,http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo ... ead=266957[/link]
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Post by mimi » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:20 pm

The guy who wrote the article to which I made some small contribution this week has also constructed this "[link]comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory,http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_co ... cy_theory/[/link]". While I haven't studied it, I did check out a few links and it seems to be quite good. At the top is an invitation to feed him more info if there's anything missing from it, and a promise to improve it as new info comes in. If we're going to be following this new CT and debunking it when we can -- which I think is a fine use of our collective talents here, if anyone is interested in it -- then maybe we can contribute to his compilation of debunking information. Because I agree, this one is as evil as birtherism, if it means accusing a good man who helped some children of being a child molester. There were birthers who accused me of being a child molester, because Jerome Corsi put a photo of me with my two sons at the beach on the front page of WND without identifying them as my children. I have a little bit of an idea what this man may be going through.I saw a link to the Snopes debunking, though I didn't read it. [/break1]snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp]http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

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Post by TollandRCR » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:40 pm

The Snopes article is excellent. Whether it will do anything to destroy this vicious edifice of conspiracy theory piled upon conspiracy theory is another question.
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Post by Plutodog » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:49 pm

The Snopes article is excellent. Whether it will do anything to destroy this vicious edifice of conspiracy theory piled upon conspiracy theory is another question.See, that's what I want. I don't just want a factual counter to this vicious crap out there. I want it totally, publicly debunked in front of the whole world. I want that shoved down their evil throats and I want them taken down, humiliated, disgraced, locked up and the key thrown away. Anything less seems a loss.
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Post by esseff44 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:37 pm

I would be in favor of fines for the publishing and spreading of this kind of thing. I just can't think of a way to not meet First Amendment challenges. I am still in favor of fines for it though.

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Post by mimi » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:55 pm

So neither the Salon nor the Snopes article addressed the conspiracy that the ambulances were blocked in.snopes:[/break1]snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp]http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.aspsalon:[/break1]salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/]http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_co ... cy_theory/And the thing about the ambulances is what some on twitter were hammering away about.The ambulances were blocked in and not treating people. So here:“There must be some way to morally shame these people, because there were 20 dead children lying an eighth of a mile from my window all night long,” Rosen told Salon.com. “And I sat there with my wife,[highlight]because they couldn’t take the bodies out that night so the medical examiner could come.[/highlight]And I thought of an expression, that this 'adds insult to injury,' but that’s a stupid expression, because this is not an injury, this is an abomination.”[/break1]nydailynews.com/news/national/massacre-deniers-harass-sandy-hook-grandfather-comforted-survivors-article-1.1241181]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1241181

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Post by mimi » Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:56 pm

I would be in favor of fines for the publishing and spreading of this kind of thing. I just can't think of a way to not meet First Amendment challenges. I am still in favor of fines for it though.Christian Post is spreading this garbage. They're doing in a'la WND style. They just spread the crap but let you, gentle reader, make up your own mind. :roll: [/break1]christianpost.com/news/sandy-hook-hoax-video-conspiracy-claim-draws-11m-views-on-youtube-video-88559/]http://www.christianpost.com/news/sandy ... deo-88559/

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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:08 am

An example of the lack of meaning in Google's dates for a hit:Obama, Biden Visit Tomb of the Unknowns | Fox News[/break1]foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/18/]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01 ... nknownsMar 26, 2012 · President-elect Obama and Vice president-elect Biden visited the Tomb of the Unknowns, an Arlington Cemetery memorial that commemorates the sacrifice …As is implied by the URL, the article was published on Jan. 18, 2009. From a CT viewpoint, FoxNews knew that President Obama would be re-elected as far back as March of last year. All of their pumping of the Romney campaign and hired poobahs' assurances of a Romney victory were just props to keep their ratings up. The conspiracy runs deeper than we can know.
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Post by Lola_Getz » Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:47 am

And, I give you "ley lines." Originally found on 911truth DOT ch the day after the massacre.Aha! I've been to Stonehenge and also to Teotihuacan, plus if you follow that ley line it crosses the part of the UK where I live, which surely must mean...somethin'....I'm clearly a conspiracy waiting to happen. :shock: :o

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Post by GreatGrey » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:59 pm

Yes, this exchange happenedhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBAmuT_CcAABuSS.jpg
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Post by DrIrvingFinegarten » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:58 pm

This Sandy Hook conspiracy bothers me more than birtherism. As disgusting and as wrong as the attacks against the President are, the attacks against some of the victims' parents and Gene Rosen are worse. President Obama is a public figure, probably the most public figure in the world. (I'm not saying that makes some of what is said about him OK). Robbie Parker and Gene Rosen are private citizens. They didn't ask for this. We know about Parker because he suffered the worst thing that could possibly happen to a parent. We know about Rosen because he gave some children sanctuary during the attacks. I wouldn't say he's heroic, but what he did was kind and decent and not worthy of any condemnation.That some people think they're fair game for the kind of personal attacks they've suffered is something that is profoundly wrong with this world.

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Post by A Legal Lohengrin » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:06 am

This Sandy Hook conspiracy bothers me more than birtherism. As disgusting and as wrong as the attacks against the President are, the attacks against some of the victims' parents and Gene Rosen are worse. President Obama is a public figure, probably the most public figure in the world. (I'm not saying that makes some of what is said about him OK). Robbie Parker and Gene Rosen are private citizens. They didn't ask for this. We know about Parker because he suffered the worst thing that could possibly happen to a parent. We know about Rosen because he gave some children sanctuary during the attacks. I wouldn't say he's heroic, but what he did was kind and decent and not worthy of any condemnation.That some people think they're fair game for the kind of personal attacks they've suffered is something that is profoundly wrong with this world.Agreed, with the exception that Orly Taitz, one of the vilest of the birthers, routinely finds private citizens like the parents of dead children and harasses them. Not all birthers do disgusting things like this, though.

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Post by TollandRCR » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:21 pm

Miami Herald Jan. 22, 2013 [link]Keep nutty professor around as case study,http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns ... dy/1271614[/link] by Carl HiaasenIncompetence is a separate issue. That a professor of communications is so ignorant of basic news-gathering practices is pathetic, but at this point Tracy's value in the classroom is not as an instructor but as a case study.He's not just another academic blowhard with scant real-world experience. He's a bona fide conspiracy kook who appears disarmingly normal. For that reason alone he's worth observing, though it remains to be seen how many students will be flocking to his lectures.If FAU dumps him, Tracy will be a hero in the sweaty universe of antigovernment paranoids, who already blame sinister forces for the professor's misfortunes.These days he's keeping a low profile, ducking Anderson Cooper and hunkering in the shadows of the Internet, where no idea is too repugnant to find a fan base.
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Post by DrIrvingFinegarten » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:54 pm

Jack Cashill attempts to debunk the debunkers:[/break1]cashill.com/intellect_fraud/debunking.htm]http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/debunking.htm

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Jack Cashill attempts to debunk the debunkers:[/break1]cashill.com/intellect_fraud/debunking.htm]http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/ ... ng.htmWhat a piece of crap he is.The man has no soul.

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Jack Cashill attempts to debunk the debunkers:[/break1]cashill.com/intellect_fraud/debunking.htm]http://www.cashill.com/intellect_fraud/ ... ng.htmWhat a piece of crap he is.The man has no soul.He's missing a lot of working parts.

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Post by esseff44 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:51 pm

While reading about O'rlyActivities on Before It's News, I saw a repost there of this from that voice of moderation and former Governor/pro wrestler/SEAL and now Second Amendment expert, Jesse Ventura:





It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a YouTube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists," us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush."[/break1]com/alternative/2013/01/jesse-ventura-sandy-hook-shooting-not-a-false-flag-update-2541024.html]http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ... 41024.html





Who runs this site anyway? It's like a combination of the worst check-out counter tabloid and Alex Jones with a little Breibart thrown in.

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Post by Suranis » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:13 pm

Who runs this site anyway? It's like a combination of the worst check-out counter tabloid and Alex Jones with a little Breibart thrown in.This guy[/break1]com/ChrisKitze]https://twitter.com/ChrisKitze[/break1]linkedin.com/in/chriskitze]http://www.linkedin.com/in/chriskitze[/break1]com/contributor/pages/0/004/bio.html]http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/pa ... 4/bio.html
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Post by DrIrvingFinegarten » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:22 pm

While reading about O'rlyActivities on Before It's News, I saw a repost there of this from that voice of moderation and former Governor/pro wrestler/SEAL and now Second Amendment expert, Jesse Ventura:





It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a YouTube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists," us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush."[/break1]com/alternative/2013/01/jesse-ventura-sandy-hook-shooting-not-a-false-flag-update-2541024.html]http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/20 ... 41024.html





Who runs this site anyway? It's like a combination of the worst check-out counter tabloid and Alex Jones with a little Breibart thrown in.Jesse, you and other conspiracy theorists are doing a pretty good job of making yourselves look foolish without our help.

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Post by Whatever4 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:29 pm

I love it -- a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theories.http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/jet_fuel.png
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Post by ducktape » Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:16 pm

This guy





[/break1]com/ChrisKitze]https://twitter.com/ChrisKitze





[/break1]linkedin.com/in/chriskitze]http://www.linkedin.com/in/chriskitze





[/break1]com/contributor/pages/0/004/bio.html]http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/pa ... 4/bio.htmlHoly shit! I know him. Since like 1987.





He first did Aris Multimedia, about whom I think the term "shovelware" was invented. Back when CD-ROM was first being invented, and a lot of us were exploring how something so large could hold audio and images that could be synced together into new types of interactive entertainment, Chris simply acquired some photos of things like Fighter Jets, pressed CD-ROMs of them, and sold the CDs in any store that would carry them.





I must say, though, that I am shocked if he actually believes the shit he publishes. He's very much about making money by spotting an opening, pursuing it, and then selling it off at a profit (very much a serial entrepreneur). If you'd given me a list of people I'd run across over the years and asked me to pick out ones that could be involved in CT, he would not have been among my picks.

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