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This guy has been mentioend a few times on the Incel thread (Last mention here viewtopic.php?f=37&t=10770&p=995357&hil ... on#p995357) but I thought he deserved his own thread based on this...

https://nationalpost.com/news/jordan-pe ... -addiction
Jordan Peterson's year of 'absolute hell': Professor forced to retreat from public life because of addiction
The controversial author and professor is recovering from addiction to tranquilizers and near-death in Russia, his family says

February 7, 2020
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Jordan Peterson is recovering from a severe addiction to benzodiazepine tranquilizers and was recently near death in an induced coma, his daughter Mikhaila said.

He is being treated at a clinic in Russia after being repeatedly misdiagnosed at several hospitals in North America, she said.

The University of Toronto psychologist who became an intellectual hero to a global audience by aligning self-help theory with anti-progressive politics was first prescribed the medication a few years ago to treat anxiety after what Mikhaila described as an autoimmune reaction to food. His physical dependence on it became apparent to his family last April, when his wife Tammy was diagnosed with cancer.

The last year, which saw him retreat from public life after swiftly becoming one of the most famous authors in the world, has been an “absolute hell,” said Mikhaila, also a well known speaker on diet, who advocates eating only beef.

In November, he went to a rehabilitation centre in New York. He has previously discussed his long history of depression.

Jordan Peterson writes a column for the National Post, most recently in November.

His conditioned worsened through the winter, Mikhaila said. He was driven to thoughts of suicide by a movement disorder called akathisia, a well known side effect of various drugs for mental illnesses. It is a sense of restlessness and an inability to sit still.

“It became apparent that he was experiencing a paradoxical reaction to the medication, meaning the benzos did the opposite of what they’re supposed to do. These reactions are rare but are not unheard of,” Mikhaila said in the script for a video shared with the National Post.
Mikhaila Peterson, daughter of author, professor Jordan Peterson. Piaras Ó Mídheach/Sportsfile for Web Summit via Getty Images

She said the family sought alternative treatment in Russia because they found North American hospitals had misdiagnosed him, and were prescribing “more medications to cover the response he was experiencing from the benzodiazepines,” Mikhaila said. “He nearly died several times.”

She and her husband took him to Moscow last month, where he was diagnosed with pneumonia and put into an induced coma for eight days. She said his withdrawal was “horrific,” worse than anything she had ever heard about. She said Russian doctors are not influenced by pharmaceutical companies to treat the side-effects of one drug with more drugs, and that they “have the guts to medically detox someone from benzodiazepines.”

Jordan Peterson has only just come out of an intensive care unit, Mikhaila said. He has neurological damage, and a long way to go to full recovery. He is taking anti-seizure medication and cannot type or walk unaided, but is “on the mend” and his sense of humour has returned.

“He’s smiling again for the first time in months,” she said.
From what I've read, people who knew him for years say this guy was a perfectly affable guy with no extreme views on anything.

Then SOMETHING changed with him a handful of years back and he want on a rampage for a few years pushing Incel style views and mumbling other extreme nonsense. Then he vanished.

So now he had turned up in Russia where they see to have knocked him into a Medically induced coma to get through Benzo addiction withdrawal. Considering that Benzo withdrawal can fuck up your brain and medically induced Comas can fuck up your brain, this is a particularly Russian treatment.

Thing is... his Daughter advocates eating only beef?

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She is definitely a 5 Litre of Beer 10.

And it seems they fucked off to Russia because they could not Trust American Hospitals. What? He probably had the money to bypass the Insurance system so its fairly insane to ditch American medicine for Russian. But then we have Daughter Beef as well who sounds real stable.

There is probably more going on here than we have been told. On a human level I wish the poor guy a full recovery. But bloody hell, this guy seems to have had a Mama June level collapse, which lead to the years of being an asshole, and that lead to Incel and rightwing fame, and the collapse is still ongoing.
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Incel content isn’t really the right term for it. From what I can tell it was some sort of extreme self help, pick yourself up by the boot strap type stuff. But because he got notoriety online for his misreading of pronoun bill in Canada he got lumped with the alt right light? and his mumbo jumbo got traction. Rational wiki probably has a good article on him.

The Russia thing has a physician heal thyself flavor to it.

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He’s a big part of the reason why Ford (Trump*’s not so mini me) introduced legislation for freedom of speech at Ontario university campuses that really only protects the “right kind” of speech. Students at universities protested Peterson’s speeches and some were cancelled. Now Ford’s government will cut a university’s funding if the school doesn’t protect some racist, hateful asshat from spewing hatred at the university.
The connection between Peterson and the free speech policy goes deeper. Just before it was announced, the two men publicly met at an Ontario Progressive Conservative Youth BBQ at Ford’s home and discussed the issue of free speech on campuses. It seems that Peterson, frustrated at the reactions to his public speeches, discerned a potent way to bar the expressions of those who disagree with him.

So rests the self-defeating foundation underlying this distorted iteration of freedom of speech: that one should be free to flout whatever speech one wants. And no matter how dangerous, harmful, or cruel the ideas contained within, any reactions are wholly unwarranted and should be discredited — preferably with legal measures, says the Ford government.

If, hypothetically, free speech were to be truly admired and respected, the freedom to respond, protest, or otherwise react to others’ ideas would be given equal priority. There can be no legitimate freedom of expression without the freedom to express criticism. The current idea of free speech seems to subsist with narrow focus and intent: to allow social conservatives to express controversial opinions without consequence
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An “auto-immune reaction to food?” :think:
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RoadScholar wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:57 am
An “auto-immune reaction to food?” :think:
Meaning he got sick from eating nothing but Meat. Probably was suffering from Scurvy for one thing.
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Autoimmune reaction to food is a fancy term for food allergy. Xanax is not generally prescribed for allergies.

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jordan peterson. now there's a name i haven't heard in a long time.

the sad thing about peterson is that his mental unease and poor physical health was pretty obvious to anyone who watched him speak or who read his prose over the last several years. two or three years ago he wrote a long piece about travel anxiety and his disturbing dreams and angers and i remember thinking "you should be sharing this with a therapist, not your fans."

but his grift was so profitable and his fans so badly wanted him to be the Great Philosopher Daddy and reactionaries found him so politically useful that none of his friends or fans—as far as i can tell—did anything but let him collapse.

and this is the worst part
She and her husband took him to Moscow last month, where he was diagnosed with pneumonia and put into an induced coma for eight days. She said his withdrawal was “horrific,” worse than anything she had ever heard about. She said Russian doctors are not influenced by pharmaceutical companies to treat the side-effects of one drug with more drugs, and that they “have the guts to medically detox someone from benzodiazepines.”
unlike rehab anywhere else, where he would've been slowly weaned off the benzos with accompanying therapy and pain management, it sounds as if he was strapped down and sent off cold turkey. my guess is that induced a stroke. he's lucky to be alive at all.
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Suranis wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:11 am
And it seems they fucked off to Russia because they could not Trust American Hospitals. What? He probably had the money to bypass the Insurance system so its fairly insane to ditch American medicine for Russian. But then we have Daughter Beef as well who sounds real stable.
Actually, that would be Canadian hospitals. Peterson is a Canadian citizen living in Edmonton and teaching at the University of Toronto. He did live in the U.S. from 1993-1998 when he was an assistant professor at Harvard, but that pre-dates his physical issues.
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voxpopuluxe wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:01 pm
unlike rehab anywhere else, where he would've been slowly weaned off the benzos with accompanying therapy and pain management, it sounds as if he was strapped down and sent off cold turkey. my guess is that induced a stroke. he's lucky to be alive at all.
From watching some other threads, I gather the treatment is not even fully legal elsewhere due to the risk involved and that high probability of success from other more conventional treatments.

But the kind of 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' wanted an easy 'sleep through it' treatment that didn't require the hard work of doing it the conventional way. And of course his daughter is blaming 'western medicine' for the whole mess. With Russia increasingly being held up by that community as the bastion of freedom, the argument appears to be resonating.

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Can we fix up his daughter with Devin Nunes? Then she can get all the beef she wants.

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Sounds like not just another peronality with a substance problem, and not just another personality with a substance problem and a tendency toward conspiracy thinking, but very possibly one who was also a Russian asset. Why else go to Russia? Why else submit (if it was actually voluntary) to second-world 'treatment' when he had access to top-tier health care in Canada?

After all, for a Canadian celebrity/social influencer/academic from Canada to voluntarily seek treatment for something that is handled routinely in his own country, and would've cost him nothing, is nothing short of unbelievable.

As a commenter elsewhere put it:
Why was Peterson in Russia, in order to undergo treatment in such a brutal and irresponsible method, that put his life in danger, and may have exposed him to permanent, neurological damage? Is the story even true? Someone should fill in these blanks, because anyone who has enough wherewithal to listen to this guy and understand his messaging and career, also understand, or should, that an intelligent person, such as him, does not seek treatment thousands of miles away from home, in a foreign country, where you have no guarantees that you’re gonna walk out of treatment alive. Even staying in Canada, and relapsing on the benzos, is a better scenario, when evaluating the possible worse case scenarios, which range from a horrendous, physical withdrawal, to death.
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DejaMoo wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:47 pm
Sounds like not just another peronality with a substance problem, and not just another personality with a substance problem and a tendency toward conspiracy thinking, but very possibly one who was also a Russian asset. Why else go to Russia? Why else submit (if it was actually voluntary) to second-world 'treatment' when he had access to top-tier health care in Canada?
Russia has become a bit of a symbol of freedom in that crowd, and the freedom to use otherwise prohibited, expensive, labor saving treatments is part of that 'freedom'. In canada he would be expected to do the work of a real treatment, but in Russia he could throw around money in order to by a faster lazier treatment. So in part it was an expression of wealth not living like the 'sheep' who depend on doing things the hard way. It also fits with the narrative of corrupt socialist governments not allowing the wealthy to have access to 'better' medicine.

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an intelligent person, such as him, does not seek treatment thousands of miles away from home, in a foreign country, where you have no guarantees that you’re gonna walk out of treatment alive.
peterson is a very educated man, but that's not the same thing as being wise or good at self-examination, and imo, his intellectual vanity has always been his most characteristic trait. i wouldn't at all be surprised if the chance to kick cold turkey appealed to his intellectual and masculine vanity, while the notion of doing it in russia appealed to his contrarianism. the other possibility, of course, is that peterson wasn't even of sound enough mind or body to make a decision and that the choice of russian doctors was his daughter's—someone who appears to exhibit all of her father's vices and even fewer of his virtues.

anyway, people send their kids to conversion therapy, they seek unreliable cancer treatments, they drink colloidal silver—absent any other evidence, "people make bad health care choices" is probably a simpler explanation than "peterson was a russian asset."
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Fun trivia, in episode 4 season 5 of House, a patient is put into a coma to treat alcohol withdrawal.

https://clinic-duty.livejournal.com/26501.html

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The "sleep cure" was supposedly* a thing in the Sixties-early Seventies for jet-setting addicts. There were supposedly clinics in Switzerland that offered it, enabling junkies to get clean without suffering. It was also supposedly offered as a means to lose a few pounds without effort.

Another supposed drug 'cure' was a whole-blood exchange.

Keith Richards was frequently rumored as having undergone one or the other of these treatments for his heroin addiction.


*Depending on who/what you read, these "cures" were either really things that were done (but didn't work), or urban legends.
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And Propofol was a great cure for insomnia! Ask Michael Jackson!
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