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Post by Estiveo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:25 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:51 pm
Estiveo wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:43 am
Apparently the cement rumor was started by Jack Posobiec & spread by the proud boys and their elk, then picked up by the Portland PD (known for their neutrality :roll: ) & from there taken on faith by everyone.

This thread:

That account is suspended.
Yeah, it was getting a lot of dragging from proud boy/patriot prayer types, so I'm sure it was being massively reported by the little snowflakes. It had almost 300 retweets too, also, by people like me and a certain tomato 🍅.
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Post by Estiveo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:03 pm

A better thread analyzing the origin & spread of the cement milkshake hoax.

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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:11 am

A little common sense would go a long way to stopping hoaxes. Cement is grey not white. How that isn't common knowledge is baffling to me.

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Post by Whatever4 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:56 am

Cement is interesting stuff. Sugar prevents it from hardening.
It turns out this trick is well known in the construction industry, and builders often use small amounts of sugar or sugary liquid as an instant retardant for concrete on hot days, to stop it setting too quickly and cracking.

Sugar disrupts the setting process by preventing the hydration reaction between water and cement – a key ingredient of the concrete mix containing calcium, silicon and aluminium oxides. Dry concrete mix contains cement together with a coarse aggregate – usually sand or crushed gravel. When water is added it reacts with the cement’s components to make a thick paste which hardens to bind the aggregate together.
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Post by pipistrelle » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:47 am


I saw the tweet where they suggested it without any evidence, let alone proof, and wondered what is wrong with the Portland police?

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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:33 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:47 am

I saw the tweet where they suggested it without any evidence, let alone proof, and wondered what is wrong with the Portland police?
What's wrong with them is they've been working hand in glove with the Proud Boys and other right-wing groups that have been demonstrating in Portland. It's been in the news. They've made it clear whose side they're on.

And let's be clear: that is typical of law enforcement, as history proves. It's why Antifa is on the streets. They know the left cannot count on the police to perform crowd control in an even-handed fashion, meaning if anyone is going to protect and defend the lefties, it'll be their own people. Antifa are lefties who've decided to put their bodies on the line, and I applaud them for that.
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Post by pipistrelle » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:11 am

The outrage on that thread over something that not only didn’t happen, but couldn’t happen, is horrifying.

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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:40 pm


It's Going Down@IGD_News

Despite zero evidence, growing from one Portland police tweet, the conspiracy theory (heavily pushed by far-Right trolls), that #Portland antifascist protesters mixed quick drying cement into over 700 milkshakes which were eaten, has made its way into the mainstream. A thread.

First some context. Since Joey Gibson and goons stepped onto the scene in 2017, we've seen collusion with law enforcement, the creation of a violent far-Right coalition that includes Proud Boys, militias, neo-Nazis and the Alt-Right, and mass community defense against them.

While not all of the far-Right groups who come to Portland agree with each other or have the same views - they all agree they must work together in order to engage in violence against grassroots social movements. Proud Boy Tiny makes the case here - saying he welcomes Alt-Right.

Right off the bat in 2017, the violence spilled out of the Patriot Prayer rallies + into everyday life, when Jeremy Christian killed two men on a train who were standing up to defend two young Muslim women of color. Another man was nearly killed in the attack as well, yet lived.

With the city still grieving, about a week later Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys held a far-Right rally in Portland that ended in the police attacking the antifascist crowd, pushing people into the streets, ketteling them, and only allowing people to leave if they showed IDs.

The event also saw police and militia members openly working with each other to make arrests of antifascist demonstrators.

Like all Proud Boy + Patriot Prayer events, the rally on June 4th, 2017 in Portland was marked by a heavy attendance of white nationalists + neo-Nazis - some of which were guest speakers at the rally, such as Baked Alaska, who would go onto to gain infamy during Unite the Right.

Over the coming months, these "Free Speech Rallies" grew a sizeable coalition among the far-Right, giving those on the Alt-Right the idea to hold a rally in Charlottesville called 'Unite the Right,' organized by Proud Boy, Jason Kessler, then a journalist for the Daily Caller.

The fallout to Unite the Right impacted far-Right events in Portland. The Proud Boys + militias attempted to distance themselves from the Alt-Right. The "military wing" of the Proud Boys was even sued after UtR. Here's current Proud Boy leader, Enrique Tarrio in Charlottesville.

Joey Gibson complained that Unite the Right was all just a big conspiracy to scare the Right from protesting. Along with the Proud Boys, he pushed to return the far-Right to the streets. A year after Unite the Right, he led a large far-Right rally. (link: https://itsgoingdown.org/unite-the-righ ... roud-boys/) itsgoingdown.org/unite-the-righ…

On Aug 4th, 18, Gibson organized hundreds of white nationalists, militia members, and Proud Boys to converge in Portland. Police facilitated them, despite being heavily armed. Again, like the year before, police attacked antifa without warning. This time, almost killing one.

But while police almost killed antifascist protesters in order to facilitate a march for Patriot Prayer, at the same time they simply let a far-Right group get away with a warning after finding them on a roof top heavily armed.

Around the same time, Proud Boys like Tiny and "Flippo" engaged in a series of attacks on members of the public - pulling up alongside them in a truck, screaming pro-Trump slogans, and then jumping out to beat them up.

Around the same time, it was revealed that local police had a strong connection to Gibson, using him to collect information, and in return, he was tipped off by police on the movement of antifascists and given protection against possible arrests.

Meanwhile, Proud Boys were being used as security for Roger Stone, who sent them to Florida to intimidate those protesting for a recount, and the group attacked anyone who stood up to them, from Portland to NYC. Their leader also become head of Latinos for Trump in Florida.

Meanwhile, websites like Gateway Pundit, InfoWars, the Daily Caller, and Big League Politics all attempted to run cover for the far-Right and the Alt-Right, running story after story both demonizing "ANTIFA," but also pushing conspiracy theories that supported their world view.

For instance, the night that an antifascist was shot in Seattle by someone in the Alt-Right, trolls quickly pushed the idea that it was in fact an antifascist who had shot a Milo fan.

Sites like the Gateway Pundit, InfoWars, and Big League Politics all pushed conspiracy theories on the death of Heather Heyer, among others, giving neo-Nazi groups ammo in order to argue that, "James Fields Did Nothing."

Far-Right trolls like Jack Posobiec launched a career with these tactics, most notably, from the ashes of Pizzagate, which ended in someone coming and shooting up Comet Ping-Pong.

Posobiec and Mike Cernovich, also helped push conspiracy theories around mass shootings like in Las Vegas and even train crashes - each time, trying to connect them to the work of antifascists. Oh, and that whole "civil war" thing.

Often these fakes weren't even coming from them to begin with - but generally were found and run with from the pages of 4chan and 8chan, Alt-Right messageboards. Thus, we can see a pipeline from neo-Nazis trolls - all the way to Fox News.

In these examples we can see a pattern, which includes both the mass deception and lying to of their base of support, but moreover, an attempt to troll the mainstream media into picking up their stories which hurt their political enemies.

Back in #Portland, police are citing for their evidence the fact that they received an anonymous email the day of the rally that featured a milkshake recipe that included quick drying cement.

Clearly, the email was sent from a troll - and according to @PopMobPDX
around 750 milkshakes were made and given out (ie eaten) but the massive antifascist crowd. If indeed quick drying cement was in the mix, then why did no one get sick? Why isn't there dried cement everywhere?

With massive amounts of police on the scene and also surely undercovers, if law enforcement was actually concerned about there being "concrete" in the hundreds of milkshakes being consumed couldn't they have checked? The more you think about this - the dumber it becomes.

But far-Right trolls have gone ever further, by using stock images found on Google image search to try and push the conspiracy theory farther - saying that the milkshakes actually burned people's skin off.

When pushed for comment by journalists, Portland Police could come up with no evidence to support their claims of the concrete to shake connection, despite being surrounded by enough milkshake liquid to produce over 750 frosty beverages over several hours.

Now is also a good time to point out that on top of working directly with Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys for years, it has also recently come out that Portland Police actively employs officers that are involved in far-Right politics.

Portland Police have even been quote on record as saying they view far-Right demonstrators as "much more mainstream" than antifascists.

This context matters. Portland police have working relationships with the Alt-Right and the far-Right. Some of their officers are sympathetic to these politics. The police have shown themselves even willing to endanger the lives of antiracist protesters time + time + again.

In trampling the rights, freedoms, and safety of the community of Portland, the police in turn have pulled out all the stops to protect and facilitate a small gang of pro-Trump racist trolls, loose network of neo-Nazi and Alt-Right crews, and heavily armed militia members.

I've heard this bull before.

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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:04 pm

You’d need to drink something a lot stronger than cement to fall for the spin by Antifa.

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Post by RVInit » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:44 pm

http://prospect.rsc.org/blogs/cw/2014/0 ... ugar-rush/

This is a post about using sugar to retard the setting of concrete. Interesting.
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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:03 pm



They also found ingredients for milkshakes in his fridge.

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Post by Whatever4 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:54 pm

RVInit wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:44 pm
http://prospect.rsc.org/blogs/cw/2014/0 ... ugar-rush/

This is a post about using sugar to retard the setting of concrete. Interesting.
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Post by RoadScholar » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:11 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:04 pm
You’d need to drink something a lot stronger than cement to fall for the spin by Antifa.
If you aren't anti-fascist, you're not a real American, and the Greatest Generation would be ashamed of you.

What they said sounds 100% true. The police in Oregon are in fact sympathetic to the Right Wing Terrorists.
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Post by Flatpointhigh » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:31 pm

https://abc7news.com/2-people-possibly- ... r/5373511/
MENLO PARK, Calif. -- The FBI and National Guard have been called in to assist after a mail handling center was evacuated in Menlo Park following reports of two people who were possibly exposed to sarin.

Crews with the Menlo Park Fire Department are at the warehouse owned by Facebook on Hamilton Court near Bayfront Expressway.

According to Facebook spokesperson Anthony Harrison, four buildings were evacuated after a package delivered to one of their mailrooms at 11 a.m. was deemed suspicious.

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:51 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:03 pm


They also found ingredients for milkshakes in his fridge.
Yet again in these cases, there is domestic violence. In 2013 a permanent Restraining Order was issued against him. His ex-girlfriend reported him to the police for recent cyber harassment.
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Post by Azastan » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:29 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:51 pm


Yet again in these cases, there is domestic violence. In 2013 a permanent Restraining Order was issued against him. His ex-girlfriend reported him to the police for recent cyber harassment.
And the permanent RO must have been for something different, since that was seven years ago, when he was around 19 years old. The current ex-girlfriend now has a temporary RO.

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:54 pm

Azastan wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:29 pm
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:51 pm


Yet again in these cases, there is domestic violence. In 2013 a permanent Restraining Order was issued against him. His ex-girlfriend reported him to the police for recent cyber harassment.
And the permanent RO must have been for something different, since that was seven years ago, when he was around 19 years old. The current ex-girlfriend now has a temporary RO.
Yep.
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Flatpointhigh wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:31 pm
https://abc7news.com/2-people-possibly- ... r/5373511/
MENLO PARK, Calif. -- The FBI and National Guard have been called in to assist after a mail handling center was evacuated in Menlo Park following reports of two people who were possibly exposed to sarin.

Crews with the Menlo Park Fire Department are at the warehouse owned by Facebook on Hamilton Court near Bayfront Expressway.

According to Facebook spokesperson Anthony Harrison, four buildings were evacuated after a package delivered to one of their mailrooms at 11 a.m. was deemed suspicious.
According to CNN, a machine screening mail rang the alarm for sarin. I'm not sure what is more surprising. Facebook tests for sarin? I didn't know you could do that. Was that part of the package? Test for anthrax and we'll throw in a test for CW too? If someone is sending out sarin, then we are in some kind of nightmare. And if Facebook tests all their mail for sarin then aren't we already at least nightmare adjacent? Also, Facebook has a mail handling facility?

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Post by kate520 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:44 pm

Here’s how I feel about Antifa:

There must be a militaristic anti- force to counter the militaristic fascists. Democracy cannot stand without one. Fascists should have no quarter here.

I knew a couple of Antifa way back, accidentally/socially, one pretty well. Not a single soul in our neighborhood knew what he did. Respected physician by day, one of their medics as needed. As with all the other conservative panics (socialism BOO, Dems inviting rapists from South America so they will kill conservatives in their sleep, Dems pray to Satan and chant death to America at our 4th of July potlucks and everyone brings actual pot), the Republican/Patriot rhetoric about Antifa doesn’t jive. (Nervous Nellies should not be in charge of security. :? )

These are some things I know: Antifa is so regularly infiltrated by alphabet agencies and patriot groups that they have a plan for that, handing them off to a special team so seamlessly that the infiltrators don’t realize they’ve been quarantined and isolated from the real action until ....oops. They make elaborate contingency plans so that innocent civilians are not put in harm’s way. Can ANY of the Patriot groups make that claim?

I’m glad those testosterone-coated rage machines have Antifa to focus on, or they’d be busting our heads instead. There’s never any doubt about Patriot’s intentions. They’re always cocked and loaded :lol: , no matter what they claim.
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Post by Turtle » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:16 pm

There's a thing on CNN now about hate groups. They just had Richard Spencer screaming, "Heil Trump"

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Post by DejaMoo » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:28 am

The RWNJs are holding a "Demand Free Speech" rally at the capitol on July 6th. One of the featured speakers is Roger Stone, apparently yet again defying his gag order.

JJ MacNab has tweeted about this. She suspects it could be a bigger thing than previous RW public tantrums, because the various RWNJ groups are working themselves into a collective frenzy over Antifa.

One absolutely classic thing about the right wingers - they hate, HATE IT when people use their own tactics against them. That's just so...mean and unfair, y'know? You're not supposed to treat Real Americans like that.
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Post by Jeffrey » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:37 am

Maxine from OregonLive is updating on who did what during the fracas:
One of the bloody brawls caught on video during Saturday’s protests in downtown Portland apparently began with an attack on a self-described genderqueer activist wearing an American flag dress at the time.
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Sam Resnick said he was walking west on Southwest Morrison Street toward a Starbucks coffeeshop when a group of anti-fascists shouted slurs at him, approached him and shoved him near Fifth Avenue.
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“It seemed he was defending me because I was a man in a dress,” Resnick said. “I guess he saw what he thought was an injustice.’’
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Kelly said via Facebook that he received 25 staples to his head and suffered a concussion.
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/0 ... s-aid.html

But hey, Nazis kill more people so I guess this is all fine.

Also there was a bomb threat, probably by a right winger tho:
Portland City Hall was evacuated for about an hour Tuesday after someone made several phone calls to the city attorney’s office claiming a bomb would explode in the building.
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/201 ... hreat.html

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Post by DejaMoo » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:00 am

Jeffrey wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:37 am
Maxine from OregonLive is updating on who did what during the fracas:
One of the bloody brawls caught on video during Saturday’s protests in downtown Portland apparently began with an attack on a self-described genderqueer activist wearing an American flag dress at the time.
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Sam Resnick said he was walking west on Southwest Morrison Street toward a Starbucks coffeeshop when a group of anti-fascists shouted slurs at him, approached him and shoved him near Fifth Avenue.
You left out the important paragraph following this, which provides the reason for the confrontation:
He knew the black-clad antifa members because he’s had a simmering personal dispute with them, he said Tuesday.
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“It seemed he was defending me because I was a man in a dress,” Resnick said. “I guess he saw what he thought was an injustice.’’[/quote]

You also left out the paragraphs and edited the one above to remove the name of the so-called victim who supposedly came to this guy's aid:
Resnick said a white-haired man, later identified by other witnesses as John Blum, tried to pull off Resnick’s assailants yelling something like: “We don’t do that here.’’
John Blum is a Three Percenter with a criminal record. There are numerous photos of him from this demonstration showing him armed with a telescoping baton. There's even video. And here's an archive of his FB that he's been busy scrubbing: http://archive.is/clmVU
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John Blum was armed and attacking people in the street. He posted this meme about shooting communists to his Facebook page. He’s not some innocent bystander.
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But hey, Nazis kill more people so I guess this is all fine.
But hey, you're still apologizing for actual Nazis here, so I guess you're fine with them, hey? I mean, editing an article to provide a slant supporting that POV is certainly...suggestive.
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Post by Jeffrey » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:08 am

With all due respect, how does Resnick having a prior beef with Antifa justify Antifa attacking an LGBT activist?

And please lay out the math on how criticizing Antifa for violence is a defense of Nazism.

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