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Undocumented under Obama


Post by Jim » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:40 pm

The US Undocumented Population Fell Sharply During the Obama Era: Estimates for 2016

This report shows estimates of the undocumented population residing in the United States in 2016, by country of origin and state of residence. Previous CMS reports have documented the long-term change from rapid population growth in the 1990s, to single-digit rates of growth in 2000 to 2010. This report shows continued declines in the population from most countries and in most states since 2010. Major findings include the following:

The undocumented population was 10.8 million in 2016, the lowest level since 2003.
The number of US undocumented residents from Mexico fell by almost one million between 2010 and 2016.
Population decline from Mexico in 2015 and 2016 was consistent with previous years.
Average annual undocumented population growth dropped from 15 percent in the 1990s to about 4 percent in 2000 to 2010. Since 2010, the numbers from most countries have declined.
In the 2010 to 2016 period, five major sending countries had large population declines: Poland (-47 percent); Peru (-40 percent); Ecuador (-31 percent); Colombia (-29 percent); and South Korea (-27 percent).
From 2010 to 2016, six of the top 10 states had population declines of more than 10 percent: Illinois (-20 percent); North Carolina (-16 percent); California (-13 percent); New York (-13 percent); Arizona (-12 percent); and Georgia (-11 percent). The only large state to gain was Texas (+2 percent).
Guess Obama did a pretty good job.

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Re: Undocumented under Obama


Post by AndyinPA » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:00 pm

What good are facts to this crew? They'll just come up with alternative ones.


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Re: Undocumented under Obama


Post by DejaMoo » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:52 pm

A big part of the decline was due to the Great Recession. When there are no jobs, there's no impetus to cross the border, and those who were here and lost their jobs/couldn't find jobs gave up and went back home. I recall the local media here doing stories on the big uptick in bus ticket sales in the Hispanic community - people heading back to Mexico.

However, Obama also took a fairly strict line about undocumented immigrants. That didn't get a whole lot of play in the media, and almost none politically, but he, like Bush, directed immigration authorities to use their powers to deport people when there was cause.

I have a niece who used to work fast food management. Back during the Dumbya admin, after they began their undocumented worker crackdown, immigration carried out coordinated raids at multiple restaurants in targeted locations. My niece was hysterical because the restaurants she oversaw suddenly lost so many workers, they were forced to close down until they could hire replacements.

Incidentally, those fast food jobs that were supposed to be beneath citizens to perform? Once the restaurants couldn't rely on cheap undocumented labor, the hourly pay skyrocketed, making them very desirable jobs for teens, retirees, and unskilled refugees. In fact, the average hourly starting wage at fast food here is once again higher than what my (major) employer pays. It's leapfrogged over the past dozen years - as fast food wages rise, other employers have had to raise their wages, which leads to the fast food places raising theirs again. Currently my employer starts at $12.50/hr, local fast food places are starting at $13/hour.
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Re: Undocumented under Obama


Post by TollandRCR » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:17 pm

Jim wrote: Guess Obama did a pretty good job.
He did both a good and humane job. But he was helped by economic growth in Mexico, attracting people back.
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