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Post by bob » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:07 pm

CNBC: President Trump wants to send up to 4,000 National Guard troops to the Mexico border: Here's what we know about his plans:
Trump himself told reporters Thursday that there could be "anywhere from two to four thousand" National Guard members deployed. The president didn't offer a specific number when reporters asked him about the potential cost. "Depends on what we do," he said.

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[T]he Pentagon currently supports the DHS border security mission with efforts from NORTHCOM, SOUTHCOM, PACOM, the National Guard and the Army Corps of Engineers.

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During Wednesday's White House press briefing Nielsen, of Homeland Security, announced that troops would deploy immediately, even going as far to say that the National Guard could mobilize as soon as that evening.

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The National Guard will support the Custom and Border Protection with aviation, engineering, surveillance, communications, vehicle maintenance and logistical support.

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It is also unclear whether the National Guard who are mobilized to the border will be armed.
So the president is deploying fewer unarmed helpers than Dubya did. :yawn: And yet the president's base credits him for stopping a caravan of rapists. :roll:


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Post by Volkonski » Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:51 pm


NBC News

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Texas National Guard is preparing to immediately deploy with supporting aircraft, vehicles, and equipment to the Texas-Mexico border. Within 72 hours, the Texas military department will have 250 personnel.
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Post by bob » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:50 pm

HuffPo: Trump Signs Memorandum Ending ‘Catch And Release’ Policy:
The president ordered the end of the policy in which undocumented immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum on Friday ordering the end of a policy, known as “catch and release,” in which undocumented immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

As part of the memo, Trump asked Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to produce a list of military facilities that could be used to detain undocumented immigrants.
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Post by bob » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:54 pm

CNN: Trump presses for options to end 'catch and release' in immigration policy:
Capping a week of aggressive rhetoric on immigration and border security, President Donald Trump on Friday evening ordered his administration to double down on ending the so-called "catch and release" of deportable immigrants.

In a memo for the heads of the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services, Trump ordered his officials to prepare a series of reports on further measures they can take to crack down on illegal immigration.

The memo did not prescribe any policy steps to take and largely reiterated demands from executive orders Trump signed in the early days of his presidency, but the move highlights his frustration over Congress' inability to pass any major immigration or border security legislation and lawmakers' continued refusal to fund his border wall outside of a few dozen miles.

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The memo orders a report in 45 days that lays out what the agencies have done and could do to address factors that contribute to the release of immigrants from detention, including building more detention facilities, speeding up and tightening asylum policies, defaulting to detaining immigrants rather than releasing them and exploring the use of military facilities and other types of existing structures for detention.

It orders a report In 75 days on what new powers might be needed and a report in 60 days on what has been done to pressure countries that do not readily take back their citizens who have been deported from the United States.
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Post by Addie » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:47 am

NBC News: Mattis OKs up to 4,000 National Guard troops for border

A Pentagon memo says the troops will not be used for law enforcement, and will be armed only if required for self defense.
The Hill: Nevada’s GOP governor: Border duty not ‘an appropriate use' of National Guard


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:06 am

bob wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:50 pm
HuffPo: Trump Signs Memorandum Ending ‘Catch And Release’ Policy:
The president ordered the end of the policy in which undocumented immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum on Friday ordering the end of a policy, known as “catch and release,” in which undocumented immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

As part of the memo, Trump asked Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to produce a list of military facilities that could be used to detain undocumented immigrants.
Lawsuit in 3 ... 2 ...
When nobody get’s released from now on, who will house and feed the migrants? Where will Teh Donald hire that additional staff and train them? Mexicans overlooking Mexicans? PS waiting for the calls to reuse Guantanamo Bay facilities...



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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:19 am

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When will the "militias" start arriving, expecting the National Guard to welcome them, plus provide food and accommodations?



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Post by Azastan » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:55 pm

Grumpy Old Guy wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:19 am
Off Topic
When will the "militias" start arriving, expecting the National Guard to welcome them, plus provide food and accommodations?
Someone needs to start the rumour that Trump's sending the NG to guard the 'border' is actually a ruse to lure in the militia members so they can be rounded up and sent to FEMA camps.



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Post by Addie » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:47 pm

ABC News
Trump adviser cites 'alarming' 200 percent increase in attempted US-Mexico border crossings

A White House adviser said an "alarming" increase of more than 200 percent in March of apprehensions people trying to cross into the U.S. from Mexico helped to prompt President Donald Trump's decision to deploy National Guard troops at the border.

“It’s alarming. It’s an over 200 percent increase and we're talking about apprehending over 50,000 people attempting to cross our border in one month,” White House homeland security and counterterrorism adviser Tom Bossert told ABC News Chief Global Affairs Correspondent and co-anchor Martha Raddatz on "This Week” Sunday.

The increase in March 2018 over the same month the year before paints a different picture than other figures from the Department of Homeland Security that show the number of people caught crossing the border illegally in 2017 was the lowest since 1971.

In March, the U.S. apprehended 50,308 unauthorized migrants, the highest number since Trump took office and more than double the same period last year, when the figure was at historic lows.

Bossert said, “A lot of the reporting tends to suggest that because we've seen record lows over the last 40 years on an annual basis, that that's good enough.”
Adding:
AP FACT CHECK: Trump is having it both ways on border policy


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:31 pm

Addie wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:47 pm
ABC News
Trump adviser cites 'alarming' 200 percent increase in attempted US-Mexico border crossings

:snippity:
Adding:
AP FACT CHECK: Trump is having it both ways on border policy
It's spring time and the weather is getting better to camp outside until a chance for the border crossing shows up, and for the farmer the crops seasons have started. Fresh strawberries for anyone please?



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Post by Azastan » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:32 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:31 pm


It's spring time and the weather is getting better to camp outside until a chance for the border crossing shows up, and for the farmer the crops seasons have started. Fresh strawberries for anyone please?
And a cross-post:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ice-a ... li=BBnb7Kz

ICE is right there, waiting to pick up those people who would otherwise be working on getting those crops started.



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Post by bob » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:30 pm

Jerry Brown: California Responds to Federal Request for National Guard Personnel:
Pursuant to [the federal government's] request, the California National Guard will accept federal funding to add approximately 400 Guard members statewide to supplement the staffing of its ongoing program to combat transnational crime. This program is currently staffed by 250 personnel statewide, including 55 at the California border.

Your funding for new staffing will allow the Guard to do what it does best: support operations targeting transnational criminal gangs, human traffickers and illegal firearm and drug smugglers along the border, the coast and throughout the state. . . .

But let’s be crystal clear on the scope of this mission. This will not be a mission to build a new wall. It will not be a mission to round up women and children or detain people escaping violence and seeking a better life. And the California National Guard will not be enforcing federal immigration laws.
Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico already took the money to send additional troops.


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Post by tencats » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:49 am

California rejects border duties for National Guard troops
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SAN DIEGO — California has rejected terms of the federal government's initial plans for sending National Guard troops to the border because the work is considered too closely tied to immigration, two U.S. officials told The Associated Press.

Gov. Jerry Brown elicited rare and effusive praise from President Donald Trump last week for pledging 400 troops to the Guard's third large-scale border mission since 2006. But the Democratic governor conditioned his commitment on troops having nothing to do with immigration enforcement, even in a supporting role.

Brown's announcement last week did not address what specific jobs the California Guard would and would not do and how state officials would distinguish work related to immigration from other aspects of border enforcement, such as fighting criminal gangs and drug and gun smuggling.

Brown's offer of troops for the mission that Trump wants up to 4,000 troops to perform is still in place. But state authorities told federal officials late last week that the California Guard will not perform tasks in an initial rollout planned for all four border states, according to officials with knowledge of the talks who spoke condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.



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Post by Addie » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:39 am

Politico: Trump Ordered Troops to the Border, But They’re Doing Busywork

In this ramshackle town, National Guard soldiers are doing everything from shoveling manure to changing tires. What they’re not doing: Watching the border.


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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:02 am

Maybe Sheep Dog needs to go down there and teach them how to find white X's and rape trees.



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Post by Addie » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:30 am

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Mattis expected to send 800 more troops to southern border

Washington (CNN) Defense Secretary James Mattis is expected to sign deployment orders as soon as Thursday that could send 800 or more troops to the border with Mexico to help border patrol authorities stop a caravan of migrants from Central America moving through Mexico to enter the US, according to three administration officials.

The officials tell CNN final details are being worked out including where the troops will come from and their specific tasks.

It is not yet clear if all or part of the new deployment will be federally activated National Guard forces or active duty troops.

The troops will not engage in lethal operations to stop the migrants. Instead they are expected to provide fencing, wall materials and other technical support at several key points along the border where it is believed the migrants may try to cross.

The troops will also provide tents and medical care for border authorities in those areas. The troops retain the right of self-defense, but border patrol officers will still be the ones physically stopping illegal migration, the officials said.

President Trump hinted at the upcoming effort with a Thursday morning tweet, saying "I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency."



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:10 pm

Addie wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:30 am
CNN
Mattis expected to send 800 more troops to southern border

Washington (CNN) Defense Secretary James Mattis is expected to sign deployment orders as soon as Thursday that could send 800 or more troops to the border with Mexico to help border patrol authorities stop a caravan of migrants from Central America moving through Mexico to enter the US, according to three administration officials.

:snippity:

President Trump hinted at the upcoming effort with a Thursday morning tweet, saying "I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency."
Can the CBP free 800 desktop warriors and deploy them to field duty?

I also bet dotus had another image in his mind, eg marines equipped to the teeth in weaponry and fighting glorious battles against unarmed migrants. :sarcasm:



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Post by Lani » Fri Oct 26, 2018 4:37 am

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/ar ... ium=social
“The administration is considering a wide range of administrative, legal and legislative options to address the Democrat-created crisis of mass illegal immigration,” a White House official said on condition of anonymity. “No decisions have been made at this time. Nor will we forecast to smugglers or caravans what precise strategies will or will not be deployed.”

The plan would take two steps, according to sources familiar with the discussions.

First, Homeland Security and the Justice Department would issue a rule limiting immigrants’ ability to seek asylum if they are part of a population barred by the president. The rule would take effect immediately, unlike most, and be justified as an extraordinary situation.

That would clear the way for Trump to issue a proclamation directed at a specific population, expected to target the 7,000-plus Central Americans heading toward the U.S.
I do not like the way this is playing out. Per trump and deplorables, Dems caused a crisis - thousands of dangerous people about to assault the southern border. They will be stopped, one way or another, by the US military. Trump will ban people from South & Central America seeking asylum, which SCOTUS will affirm. Deplorables cheer. In the middle of this mess, election 2018 occurs.


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:47 pm

Militia offers to help stop caravan raise concern at border

https://apnews.com/6cb0dae384cd45ddb9efe49a6aab1789
Militia groups and far-right activists are raising money and announcing plans to head to the Mexican border to help stop the caravan of Central Americans, echoing President Donald Trump’s attacks on the migrants making their way toward the U.S.

:snippity:

But the prospect of armed civilians at the border — and the escalating political rhetoric over immigration — have fueled fears of vigilantism at a time when tensions are already running high because of the mail bomb attacks against some of Trump’s critics.

The U.S. Border Patrol this week warned local landowners in Texas that it expects “possible armed civilians” to come onto their property because of the caravan.

Three activists told The Associated Press that they were going to the border or organizing others, and groups on Facebook have posted dire warnings about the caravan. One said it was “imperative that we have boots on the ground.” Another wrote: “WAR! SECURE THE BORDER NOW!”


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:29 pm

Andrew Lawrence

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Laura Ingraham is currently warning that the migrant caravan could be infested with rabies and other diseases
1- That is highly unlikely. Human rabies cases have become quite rare in Central America. In the years 2010 thru 2012 Honduras had only 1 case.

2- Rabies is present in the wild animal populations (carnivores and bats) of all 50 states and Puerto Rico. Even if a person in the caravan had rabies and got into the USA that would not introduce a disease that the USA doesn't already have.


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Post by Suranis » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:00 pm

Isn't deploying US Troops on US Soil kind of illegal? I mean the Jade Helm 15 screaming about that was pretty loud.


Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:14 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:47 pm
Militia offers to help stop caravan raise concern at border

https://apnews.com/6cb0dae384cd45ddb9efe49a6aab1789
:snippity:

The U.S. Border Patrol this week warned local landowners in Texas that it expects “possible armed civilians” to come onto their property because of the caravan.

:snippity:
What happened with the NO TRESPASSING laws?



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Post by bob » Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:28 pm

Suranis wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:00 pm
Isn't deploying US Troops on US Soil kind of illegal? I mean the Jade Helm 15 screaming about that was pretty loud.
It is "ironic" that those screaming about Jade Helm 15 are cheering the president on now.


But as before so now: the military is being deployed to support the border patrol; the military itself isn't patrolling the border.

At most, the military may engage in some surveillance, and then pass that intelligence on. But a lot of it is just logistical support grunt work. I read an article in which a guard member was "deployed" to ... muck out a BPS barn.


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Post by Whip » Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:56 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:29 pm
Andrew Lawrence

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Laura Ingraham is currently warning that the migrant caravan could be infested with rabies and other diseases
1- That is highly unlikely. Human rabies cases have become quite rare in Central America. In the years 2010 thru 2012 Honduras had only 1 case.

2- Rabies is present in the wild animal populations (carnivores and bats) of all 50 states and Puerto Rico. Even if a person in the caravan had rabies and got into the USA that would not introduce a disease that the USA doesn't already have.
they may have left a 'b' out



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Post by Mr Pfister » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:39 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:47 pm
Militia offers to help stop caravan raise concern at border

https://apnews.com/6cb0dae384cd45ddb9efe49a6aab1789
Militia groups and far-right activists are raising money and announcing plans to head to the Mexican border to help stop the caravan of Central Americans, echoing President Donald Trump’s attacks on the migrants making their way toward the U.S.

:snippity:

But the prospect of armed civilians at the border — and the escalating political rhetoric over immigration — have fueled fears of vigilantism at a time when tensions are already running high because of the mail bomb attacks against some of Trump’s critics.

The U.S. Border Patrol this week warned local landowners in Texas that it expects “possible armed civilians” to come onto their property because of the caravan.

Three activists told The Associated Press that they were going to the border or organizing others, and groups on Facebook have posted dire warnings about the caravan. One said it was “imperative that we have boots on the ground.” Another wrote: “WAR! SECURE THE BORDER NOW!”
Is Gavin Seim going to take the rear flank on this OP and save the day?

I called it here folks!!!



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