Military Mischief

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Post by ZekeB » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:27 pm

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Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:16 pm
What gets me is that the only reason they caught him was that he applied for a passport.

Moron.
It’s hard to get past that birth certificate thing. The only way he could have slipped past that was to find a dead man’s birth certificate. Of course he’d need a SSN to go with it. The SSN would point to a dead man. If the guy were alive it would show as a duplicate. This guy should have applied for a passport back in ‘83 when identity theft wasn’t watched so closely. Of course he could have had Orly Taitz steer him through the intricacies.


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Re: Military Mischief

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Post by kate520 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:29 am

My cousin Mitzi was a DI at Parris Island. :mrgreen: I might have enlisted, actually, if I'd been born later. My friend who did alternative service served a greater good.

Gee, I wonder why Cadet BS never considered that?


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Re: Military Mischief

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Post by ZekeB » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:37 am

kate520 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:29 am
Gee, I wonder why Cadet BS never considered that?
Because it would have entailed him giving something and getting no financial return for it.


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Post by Maybenaut » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:12 pm

A Coast Guard officer on Florence duty made a hand gesture on TV. Some saw a white-power sign.
In the background of a Coast Guard briefing on MSNBC on Friday evening, in a bustling aid center, a Coast Guard member flashed what some TV viewers claimed was a white-power sign at the camera.

In the clip, as an official detailed the efforts underway as Hurricane Florence tore through the Carolinas, a man with a crew cut sitting immediately behind him looked directly at the camera. Then he looked away and shaped his hand into the “okay” sign — a circle between his thumb and pointer finger, the rest raised.

He seemed to try to camouflage it by scratching his face, but the gesture was fairly flagrant to many viewers. As the clip began to circulate on Twitter, many called for the member’s firing and further investigation.

The Coast Guard was quick to apologize via tweet, saying the organization was aware of the clip and clarifying that it does not condone the flashing of the sign or what it represented.

“The Coast Guard has identified the member and removed him from the response,” the organization’s official account tweeted. “His actions do not reflect those of the United States Coast Guard.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... efeba179e6


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Post by Mikedunford » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:37 am

Getting Article Fifteened to own the libs?


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Post by Maybenaut » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:22 am

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Getting Article Fifteened to own the libs?
He’s toast career-wise whether they take him to Article 15 (or worse) or not. If he’s an officer, they’ll give him a career-ending OER. If he’s enlisted, he won’t get recommended for reenlistment.

Oh, and the guy who would sign that OER, or make that reenlistment recommendation? He’s the Sector Commander. The guy in front of the camera giving the interview.

What a dumbass.


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Post by pipistrelle » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:44 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:22 am
Mikedunford wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:37 am
Getting Article Fifteened to own the libs?
He’s toast career-wise whether they take him to Article 15 (or worse) or not. If he’s an officer, they’ll give him a career-ending OER. If he’s enlisted, he won’t get recommended for reenlistment.

Oh, and the guy who would sign that OER, or make that reenlistment recommendation? He’s the Sector Commander. The guy in front of the camera giving the interview.

What a dumbass.
What's creepy is he looked right into the camera. A lot of the response on Twitter was "he wasn't doing anything, just an innocent movement." No. When he looked into the camera, he knew exactly what he was doing.



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Post by pipistrelle » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:51 am

The Coast Guard has reassigned a member after he flashed a controversial hand sign some have associated with white power during a television appearance.



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Post by Chilidog » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:10 am

that was about as subtle as a turd in a punchbowl.



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Post by Maybenaut » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:18 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:44 am
Maybenaut wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:22 am
Mikedunford wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:37 am
Getting Article Fifteened to own the libs?
He’s toast career-wise whether they take him to Article 15 (or worse) or not. If he’s an officer, they’ll give him a career-ending OER. If he’s enlisted, he won’t get recommended for reenlistment.

Oh, and the guy who would sign that OER, or make that reenlistment recommendation? He’s the Sector Commander. The guy in front of the camera giving the interview.

What a dumbass.
What's creepy is he looked right into the camera. A lot of the response on Twitter was "he wasn't doing anything, just an innocent movement." No. When he looked into the camera, he knew exactly what he was doing.
And the Coast Guard isn’t going to move against the guy because they think he’s a white supremacist. The Coast Guard is going to move against the guy because he was dicking around while he was supposed to be working, and bringing negative attention to the Coast Guard at a time when the Coast Guard is trying to reassure the public.

So all of this “the OK symbol is just an Internet hoax” is simply beside the point.


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Post by ZekeB » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:24 am

I thought one pilot did that a few years ago and got in deep doo-doo for it. You'd think they would have learned from other's mistakes.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:58 am

ZekeB wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:24 am
I thought one pilot did that a few years ago and got in deep doo-doo for it. You'd think they would have learned from other's mistakes.
I think that was as recent as last year, but that guy did some chemtrails iirc.



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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 pm

Guantanamo skipper indicted for lying about affair with dead man’s wife, details of scuffle
Navy Times wrote:The former commander of Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was indicted this week for allegedly misleading investigators about the circumstances leading up to a man’s death there four years ago.

Capt. John R. Nettleton, 53, was indicted on several counts of obstruction of justice, making false official statements, falsifying records and other alleged infractions tied to the early 2015 death of Christopher M. Tur, a civilian Navy Exchange employee on the island.

Nettleton is not charged in Tur’s death. Instead, the indictment focuses on the days after Tur disappeared following what authorities suspect was a violent fight with Tur after a party.



Investigators allege that Nettleton stonewalled subordinates, superiors and investigators during a search for the missing man.
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Post by Azastan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:17 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 pm
Guantanamo skipper indicted for lying about affair with dead man’s wife, details of scuffle
Not the most forthcoming and honest fellow, is he?



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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:22 pm

Azastan wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:17 pm
Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 pm
Guantanamo skipper indicted for lying about affair with dead man’s wife, details of scuffle
Not the most forthcoming and honest fellow, is he?
No. What I’m most interested to know is: why is this bring prosecuted by the DOJ rather than the Navy?


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Post by Azastan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:44 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:22 pm
Azastan wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:17 pm
Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 pm
Guantanamo skipper indicted for lying about affair with dead man’s wife, details of scuffle
Not the most forthcoming and honest fellow, is he?
No. What I’m most interested to know is: why is this bring prosecuted by the DOJ rather than the Navy?
Good question. Does the location make a difference?

From a different article:
The charge sheet alleges Nettleton “did corruptly obstruct, influence and impede official proceedings,” including the Navy investigation of Tur’s disappearance and death, a Navy court-martial that has yet to occur and a federal grand jury proceeding.

Nettleton had been assigned to Navy Region Southeast Headquarters in Jacksonville, pending the Tur death investigation. Although the NCIS initially handled the crime, Justice Department attorneys subsequently took the case and presented it to a grand jury at the Middle District of the U.S. District Court in Jacksonville.

Navy spokesman Bill Dougherty referred all questions to his counterparts in the Department of Justice, where the public affairs office is closed as nonessential during the U.S. government shutdown. The DOJ case prosecutor, Peter Nothstein, did not respond to a call or email seeking additional information, notably about Nettleton’s arrest and arraignment.

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Post by Maybenaut » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:12 am

Azastan wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:44 pm

Good question. Does the location make a difference?
No. Dude was active duty. Navy could go after him.

This occurred to me, though. Usually, in order to take a retirement-eligible officer’s retirement, he has to be convicted at court-martial and get sentenced to dismissal. They probably think he killed the guy (or beat him so bad that the guy staggered off into the water). Problem is, they can’t really prove that. So they’re left with all this obstruction and these false statements (which are also crimes in the military). They may be worried that a miitary jury wouldn’t sentence him to dismissal (it can be a hard sell).

But if he gets sentenced in a civilian court to more than sixth months, the Navy can “drop him from the rolls,” and he’ll lose his retirement. As a matter of DOD policy, there are limited circumstances for which you can get dropped from the rolls - you have to be convicted of specific offenses, but false statements is among them, IIRC.

The Navy may have had any number of reasons for turning yhis iver to DOJ, but this one seems at least plausible, if not likely.


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Post by Azastan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:21 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:12 am
Azastan wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:44 pm

Good question. Does the location make a difference?
No. Dude was active duty. Navy could go after him.

This occurred to me, though. Usually, in order to take a retirement-eligible officer’s retirement, he has to be convicted at court-martial and get sentenced to dismissal. They probably think he killed the guy (or beat him so bad that the guy staggered off into the water). Problem is, they can’t really prove that. So they’re left with all this obstruction and these false statements (which are also crimes in the military). They may be worried that a miitary jury wouldn’t sentence him to dismissal (it can be a hard sell).

But if he gets sentenced in a civilian court to more than sixth months, the Navy can “drop him from the rolls,” and he’ll lose his retirement. As a matter of DOD policy, there are limited circumstances for which you can get dropped from the rolls - you have to be convicted of specific offenses, but false statements is among them, IIRC.

The Navy may have had any number of reasons for turning this over to DOJ, but this one seems at least plausible, if not likely.
The article for which I provided a link does indeed mention that a Navy court martial is apparently in the works, so that does sound like a plausible explanation.



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Post by Notorial Dissent » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:58 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:12 am
Azastan wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:44 pm

Good question. Does the location make a difference?
No. Dude was active duty. Navy could go after him.

This occurred to me, though. Usually, in order to take a retirement-eligible officer’s retirement, he has to be convicted at court-martial and get sentenced to dismissal. They probably think he killed the guy (or beat him so bad that the guy staggered off into the water). Problem is, they can’t really prove that. So they’re left with all this obstruction and these false statements (which are also crimes in the military). They may be worried that a miitary jury wouldn’t sentence him to dismissal (it can be a hard sell).

But if he gets sentenced in a civilian court to more than sixth months, the Navy can “drop him from the rolls,” and he’ll lose his retirement. As a matter of DOD policy, there are limited circumstances for which you can get dropped from the rolls - you have to be convicted of specific offenses, but false statements is among them, IIRC.

The Navy may have had any number of reasons for turning yhis iver to DOJ, but this one seems at least plausible, if not likely.
My thoughts also. It looks like they figured the DOJ could go places they couldn't so they let them have at him.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:08 am

Last paragraph of McClatchy article.
The Guantánamo base commander has no role in the running of the war-on-terror prison camps at the base. That is currently the responsibility of a rear admiral who commands the base’s separate Detention Center Zone within the 45-square-mile outpost in southeast Cuba and answers to Adm. Craig Faller, the commander of the U.S. Southern Command in Doral.

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