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Post by Chilidog » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:22 am

Volkonski wrote: If Assad came out as gay Putin would still back him.
There is something vaguely disturbing about that sentence.



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:55 am

Fortinbras wrote:Yes, the airfield is still operating.

SImple fact, Putin is an ally of Assad, just as he is a buddy of Trump. It is admitted by the White House that Trump called Putin before the air attack to warn Putin of the missiles (Trump did not tell Congress before the air attack but he did tell Putin, put that in your bong ...). Since Assad was a client of Putin it may easily be assumed that Putin immediately passed the warning to Assad and that Assad immediately had his troops and valuable armament removed from the target airfield. There is no evidence that Assad suffered any serious setback and the airfield was back in full operation the next day.

If you or I had warned Putin or Assad, we'd be on gallows this very moment.

You'll notice that Trump hasn't followed up the airfield bombing with anything more. It might have made sense to say that, in response to Assad's war crimes, Trump orders the bombing of various - and unspecified - Assad military assets, and the most warning given to Putin would be to get the Russians out of Syria altogether. But, so far, Trump seems satisfied with this empty and ineffective gesture, a violation of the War Powers Act and of his own interpretation of the President's authority to order an attack.
This sounds like Trump had a one night stand with a hooker.


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:29 pm

MsDaisy wrote:Hard to know which thread to put this one in...

Trump officials tell Russia to drop its support for Syria’s Assad

Officials in the Trump administration on Sunday demanded that Russia stop supporting the Syrian government or face a further deterioration in its relations with the United States.

Signaling the focus of talks that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is set to have in Moscow this week, officials said that Russia, in propping up Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, bears at least partial responsibility for Wednesday’s chemical attack on villagers in Idlib province.

“I hope Russia is thinking carefully about its continued alliance with Bashar al-Assad, because every time one of these horrific attacks occurs, it draws Russia closer into some level of responsibility,” Tillerson said on ABC’s “This Week.”

In advance of Tillerson’s arrival, the Kremlin said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin had no plans to meet with the secretary of state.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... _story.htm
Nobody "tells" Putin what to do! Obama already suggested that Putin step back from supporting Assad, and Russia answered that hell had just frozen over. T.Rex ought to have signalled his "wish" to speak about the future of Assad. And Putin would possibly agree if there would be a Moscow aligned followup as president. But the way Syria is run, no such suicidal guy has made a move to suggest he may be qualified for presidency. And as a presursor the US would have to totally stop their support of the plethora of anti-government forces. Best assist in seizing their weapons and ammo caches.



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Post by maydijo » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:39 pm

Assad is the #1 argument against a Rand Paul presidency. Clearly ophthalmologists have no business ever going into politics. (Nor, for that matter, do real estate developers or hand-bag designers.)



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:56 am

The Trump administration preparing to get itself into trouble, in how many countries do they think they can intervene in civil wars (a lot to do in Africa if that's what they want)?
White House warns of potential US 'red line' over Syria barrel bomb attacks
Criteria would mark substantial expansion of rules of engagement, as Rex Tillerson says US would come to defense of civilians ‘anywhere’ amid G7 talks

Julian Borger and David Smith in Washington, Heather Stewart in London and Spencer Ackerman in New York
Tuesday 11 April 2017 09.07 BST First published on Monday 10 April 2017 12.00 BST

The Trump administration has signalled much broader grounds for future military intervention in Syria, suggesting it might retaliate against the Assad regime for barrel bomb attacks.

On the eve of a critical visit to Moscow at a time of high US-Russian tensions over Syria, the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, appeared to go even further, saying his country would come to the defence of innocent civilians “anywhere in the world”.

The administration had initially stressed strictly limited objectives for a cruise missile strike last week on a Syrian air force base, saying it was intended to deter the repeat of a chemical attack on Tuesday against civilians and that the focus of US efforts in Syria remains combating the Islamic State (Isis).

On Monday, however, the White House spokesman, Sean Spicer, widened the criteria for retaliation. “When you watch babies and children being gassed, and suffer under barrel bombs, you are instantaneously moved to action,” he said. “I think this president’s made it very clear that if those actions were to continue, further action will definitely be considered by the United States.”
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Post by Chilidog » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:46 pm

Sean Spicer:
“The goal for the United States is twofold,” Spicer explained. “It’s, one, to make sure we destabilize Syria — destabilize the conflict there, reduce the threat of ISIS. But then, secondly, is create the political environment, not just within the Syrian people, but I think you can have — work with Russia in particular to make sure that they understand that Syria, backed up by Russia’s own accounting, should be held accountable for the agreements that its made with respect to its international agreements on chemical weapons alone.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/the-goa ... st-policy/

What the fuck does that even mean?



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Post by Volkonski » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:56 pm

RTH10260 wrote:The Trump administration preparing to get itself into trouble, in how many countries do they think they can intervene in civil wars (a lot to do in Africa if that's what they want)?
White House warns of potential US 'red line' over Syria barrel bomb attacks
Criteria would mark substantial expansion of rules of engagement, as Rex Tillerson says US would come to defense of civilians ‘anywhere’ amid G7 talks

:snippity:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... t-in-italy
So Trump wants the USA to be the world's police force? Going to get very expensive.


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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:36 pm

Chilidog wrote:Sean Spicer:
“The goal for the United States is twofold,” Spicer explained. “It’s, one, to make sure we destabilize Syria — destabilize the conflict there, reduce the threat of ISIS. But then, secondly, is create the political environment, not just within the Syrian people, but I think you can have — work with Russia in particular to make sure that they understand that Syria, backed up by Russia’s own accounting, should be held accountable for the agreements that its made with respect to its international agreements on chemical weapons alone.”
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/the-goa ... st-policy/

What the fuck does that even mean?
I think it means that he fucked up and told people what we're actually going accomplish, as opposed to whatever his crackpot boss dreams up as the nominal goal.


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Post by tek » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:50 pm

Yesireee... working to destabilize another country is ALWAYS a winning strategy. :rolleye:

What rock did these people crawl out from under?


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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:13 pm

tek wrote:Yesireee... working to destabilize another country is ALWAYS a winning strategy. :rolleye:

What rock did these people crawl out from under?
The ones they landed on when their mommas dropped them on their heads when they were babies.


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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:04 pm

Sean Spicer spews bogus history on Hitler and chemical weapons — and the web’s response is brutal
Brad Reed BRAD REED
11 APR 2017 AT 14:43 ET

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Tuesday stepped into a major new controversy after he claimed that even Adolf Hitler never used chemical weapons as Bashar al-Assad had done.

“Someone as despicable as Hitler didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons,” Spicer said during his press briefing. “You have to ask yourself if you are Russia, is this a country and a regime you want to align yourself with?”

Of course, Hitler did use chemical weapons, as he gassed millions of Jews as part of his “Final Solution” during World War II.

When asked later in the press briefing to clarify his remarks, Spicer made the situation even worse by saying that Hitler never used gas on his own citizens — thus implying that German Jews weren’t actual Germans.

The reaction on the internet was scathing, as Twitter users ripped Spicer for being ignorant of history — in fact, even Trump supporter Piers Morgan chimed in to challenge Spicer’s claims.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/sean-sp ... is-brutal/

Read the rest of the article with the Twitter replies to SpiceBoy at the link!

Similar prior article at http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/sean-sp ... l-weapons/



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:55 pm

BBC Interview
7 Apr 2017
Former British Ambassador to Syria Peter Ford believes that the chemical attack in the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhoun may not have been committed by the Assad regime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LKsn4ZutxQ



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Post by Suranis » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:13 pm

That guy has been a noted Pro Assad figure for a long time and has got himself into troube for lying for Assad before.
After 2006, he has been criticised as a defender of the Assad regime in Syria. In 2016, he suggested opposition forces were responsible for an attack on a UN humanitarian convoy in September 2016 which led to the deaths of 10 humanitarians. A UN panel of inquiry said the attack was conducted from the air, and only Syrian and Russian air forces were operating in the area. The UN panel stated "that it did not have evidence to conclude that the incident was a deliberate attack on a humanitarian target".[7][8]

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Ford participated in the EuroCE conference on the future of Syria from 5th to 6th April 2017 which was criticised by dissidents as pro-Assad, because among the speakers there were Syrian politicians and apologists of the Assad government.[14] At the conference Ford described the British policy as "incoherent and grotesque", he blamed the government to be among those in the front rank of destroying Syria. "It's very coy about the nature and extent of its support for armed groups. It declines to say how much it's giving or what groups are receiving it, on the grounds that this will help Assad. The government takes us for fools because parliament has no opposition and the media for the most part is gullible." He urged, Britain should stop making it worse by supporting armed groups and encouraging the illusion they could force Assad to go. "This is unkind to the Syrian opposition themselves. Any fool can see that this is not going to happen, especially after Aleppo."[15]

In February 2017 Ford became a Director of the British Syrian Society, alongside President Assad's father-in-law Dr Fawaz Akhras. [
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ford_(diplomat)

Hes been on RT a lot as well praising Assad


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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:39 pm

Russia blocks U.N. Security Council condemnation of Syria attack

By Michelle Nichols | UNITED NATIONS

Russia blocked a Western effort at the U.N. Security Council on Wednesday to condemn last week's deadly gas attack in Syria and push Moscow's ally President Bashar al-Assad to cooperate with international inquiries into the incident.

It was the eighth time during Syria's six-year-old civil war that Moscow has used its veto power on the Security Council to shield Assad's government.

In the latest veto, Russia blocked a draft resolution backed by the United States, France and Britain to denounce the attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun and tell Assad's government to provide access for investigators and information such as flight plans.

The toxic gas attack on April 4 prompted the United States to launch missile strikes on a Syrian air base and widened a rift between the United States and Russia.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKBN17E2LK



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:15 am

Just What Is Trump Trying to Do in Syria?
One week after the missile strike, we still don't know what it was meant to accomplish.
By DANIEL BENJAMIN and STEVEN SIMON April 14, 2017

One week after President Donald Trump’s cruise-missile strike against Syria, one fact stands out above all others: The White House and secretary of state are inexplicably incapable of conveying American intentions to friends, foes, the American public and all other concerned parties. Leaders around the world can reasonably wonder whether the U.S. government has telegraphed its determination to do as little as humanly possible to step Syria’s long bloodletting or lit the fuse to World War III.

Effective signaling in foreign policy and warfare is both vital and no simple matter, as every president discovers. But the confusion sown by the April 6 raid on the Shayrout air base—which has been followed by wildly varying, often irreconcilable public statements heralding far-reaching political changes and a new approach to stopping mass atrocities—is nothing short of remarkable.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ria-215032



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Post by Addie » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:48 am

WaPo
Car bomb kills scores of Syrians evacuating town after two years of siege

BEIRUT — A car bomb in northern Syria killed more than 100 people Saturday when it ripped through buses evacuating residents from a town besieged by rebels for more than two years.

Syrian state television showed bodies strewn across the ground, the charred vehicles still packed with their passengers’ possessions. By late afternoon, the road was lined with body bags.

The attack served as a bloody reminder of the human stakes for regional powers as they broker a complex population swap, moving some 30,000 Syrians between government- and rebel-held territory.

The buses had left the northern town of Fouaa on Friday as part of a long-awaited first phase of that agreement. Those on board had spent years under siege by extremist rebels, living in fear and without access to regular food or medicine.


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Post by RTH10260 » Wed May 03, 2017 11:34 am

A love story with no good ending
The FBI translator who went rogue and married an ISIS terrorist

By Scott Glover, CNN Investigates
Updated 0340 GMT (1140 HKT) May 2, 2017

An FBI translator with a top-secret security clearance traveled to Syria in 2014 and married a key ISIS operative she had been assigned to investigate, CNN has learned.

The rogue employee, Daniela Greene, lied to the FBI about where she was going and warned her new husband he was under investigation, according to federal court records.

Greene's saga, which has never been publicized, exposes an embarrassing breach of national security at the FBI—an agency that has made its mission rooting out ISIS sympathizers across the country.

It also raises questions about whether Greene received favorable treatment from Justice Department prosecutors who charged her with a relatively minor offense, then asked a judge to give her a reduced sentence in exchange for her cooperation, the details of which remain shrouded in court-ordered secrecy.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/01/polit ... ia-greene/



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Post by RVInit » Sat May 13, 2017 1:39 pm

CNN just showed a special report about the Sarin gas attack by the Assad regime. It was very difficult to watch. I used many kleenex.


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LL poster wrote:(May 14, 2017) Video Of ISIS Destroying Ancient Treasures

(Uploaded purely as documentation of this crime against humanity) Last night, ISIS released this footage of member of what they call "antiquities authorities" destroying a collection of antiquities in the Salhiya area of Deir ez-Zor.
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:25 pm

Russia condemns US downing of Syrian warplane

By Pamela Boykoff, CNN
Updated 2120 GMT (0520 HKT) June 19, 2017

Action helps terrorists, Russian official says
US says plane dropped bombs near SDF forces


Moscow (CNN)A day after a US Navy fighter jet shot down a Syrian warplane, Russia says it has stopped using a key communication channel set up to avoid conflict between US and Russian forces in Syria.

Amping up rhetoric against US actions in the area, Russia said Monday it will consider aircraft west of the Euphrates River "air targets" and track them by air and on land.

The Defense Ministry explained the move by saying it will stop abiding by its military cooperation agreement with the US in Syria.

And a top Russian official called the US downing of the Syrian plane an act of aggression that assists terrorists.

The US-led coalition said it is taking "prudent measures" in response.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/19/middl ... index.html

after
CNN wrote:The US military said that it shot down a warplane that had dropped bombs near Syrian Democratic Force (SDF) fighters. SDF forces are backed by the US-led coalition fighting ISIS.

It's the first time the US has shot down a Syrian aircraft since it began fighting ISIS in the country in 2014.



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Post by YaYa » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:59 am

Terrorists cells and the building of a dirty bomb.

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Post by Addie » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:40 am

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Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria, a move sought by Moscow

President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.

The program was a central plank of a policy begun by the Obama administration in 2013 to put pressure on Assad to step aside, but even its backers have questioned its efficacy since Russia deployed forces in Syria two years later.

Officials said the phasing out of the secret program reflects Trump’s interest in finding ways to work with Russia, which saw the anti-Assad program as an assault on its interests. The shuttering of the program is also an acknowledgment of Washington’s limited leverage and desire to remove Assad from power.

Just three months ago, after the United States accused Assad of using chemical weapons, Trump launched retaliatory airstrikes against a Syrian air base. At the time, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, said that “in no way do we see peace in that area with Assad at the head of the Syrian government.”

Officials said Trump made the decision to scrap the CIA program nearly a month ago, after an Oval Office meeting with CIA Director Mike Pompeo and national security adviser H.R. McMaster ahead of a July 7 meeting in Germany with Russian President Vladimir Putin.


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Addie wrote:WaPo
Trump ends covert CIA program to arm anti-Assad rebels in Syria, a move sought by Moscow

President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.
:snippity:
Not to fotget that CIA supported groups suddenly changed their loyalty, taking their weaponry with them. And with the moving front lines the arsenals suddenly showed up in the "wrong" hands.



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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:57 pm

YouTube Removes Videos Showing Atrocities in Syria
By MALACHY BROWNEAUG. 22, 2017

In an effort to purge extremist propaganda from its platform, YouTube has inadvertently removed thousands of videos that could be used to document atrocities in Syria, potentially jeopardizing future war crimes prosecutions, observers and rights advocates say.

“When the conflict in Syria started, independent media broke down and Syrians themselves have taken to YouTube to post news of the conflict,” said Chris Woods, the director of Airwars, a London-based organization that tracks international airstrikes and their effect on civilians. “What’s disappearing in front of our eyes is the history of this terrible war.”

An unspecified number of individual videos and some YouTube channels were deleted in recent weeks after the company put in place new technology to automatically flag and remove content that potentially breached its guidelines. Some videos were reinstated after their creators alerted YouTube.

The company previously relied on its users and a network of trusted monitors to report inappropriate material, which was then prioritized by an algorithm before being subjected to human review.

The new technology applies “machine learning” to identify and prioritize extremist videos for review. While most still undergo a human review before being removed, a YouTube spokeswoman said the technology might automatically remove videos and issue warnings to the content’s creators
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/worl ... -isis.html



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