Syria - Stepping into the Void

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Post by Addie » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:42 pm

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Trump May Have Changed His Syria Policy And The Pentagon Is Confused

WASHINGTON — Pentagon officials were left confused after President Donald Trump appeared to signal a potential future policy change toward Syria with tough words against the government’s deployment of chemical weapons. ...

But three defense officials told BuzzFeed News they cannot begin to craft a military response, if that is what Trump wants, without a clear understanding of what the president wants to see happen in Syria. Does he only want the Assad regime to stop using chemical weapons? Does he want regime change? Is he seeking a negotiated settlement? Or were Trump’s comments simply rhetoric? ...

“The Trump administration had not set out to solve the entire Syria crisis as its priority in the Middle East. Instead, they appeared to proceed in stasis, focusing on [the ISIS capital city of] Raqqa and areas already liberated from ISIS with an unclear, and possibly confused, approach to the wider civil war,” Cafarella said.

Crafting a new policy does not happen in a day and the civil war in Syria transcends its borders; it’s become a regional, global proxy war as well. But the absence of answers to the questions that shape policy makes its hard to say for sure what kind of change is happening, if any, officials around the Pentagon explained.


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Post by Volkonski » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:42 pm

Putin goading Trump?

Russia challenges Trump to say what he would do about Syria

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/middleeas ... al-attack/
But Trump did not offer any details of how US strategy on Syria would change. Nor did he directly criticize Russia, which has stood by Assad in the face of worldwide condemnation of the attack that killed at least 86 people, including 26 children.

Trump's Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, said on Wednesday there was "no doubt" that Assad was responsible for the attack and called on Russia to "really think carefully" about its continued support for the regime.

When asked if Russia would reconsider its backing for Assad, Russia's Foreign Ministry instead challenged the US to show its cards.

"Russia's approach to Assad is clear. He is the legal president of an independent state. What is the US approach?" ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told CNN in a text message.
We can only hope that Trump will not react impulsively.


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Post by Addie » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:11 pm

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Syrians Were Poisoned by Banned Nerve Agent Sarin, Turkey Says

ISTANBUL — The poison used in the deadly chemical bomb attack in a rebel-held part of northern Syria this week was the banned nerve agent sarin, the Turkish Health Ministry said in a statement on Thursday.

The statement from Turkey, where many of the stricken Syrians were taken after the assault on Tuesday, was the most specific about the cause.

“According to the results of preliminary tests,” the statement said, “patients were exposed to chemical material (Sarin).”

Western countries have accused the Syrian government of the chemical attack, one of the worst so far in the six-year-old Syria war. Syria has repeatedly denied responsibility.


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Post by Volkonski » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:10 pm

President Trump on Syria: 'I Guess Something Should Happen'

http://time.com/4729704/donald-trump-sy ... picks=true
President Trump provided a slight hint into his plans regarding Syria and the country's President Bashar al-Assad Thursday after a chemical attack left dozens dead, indicating that "something" should happen, although he declined to provide any specifics.

“I think what happened in Syria is a disgrace to humanity, and he [Assad's] there, and I guess he’s running things, so I guess something should happen," Trump told reporters on the flight to Mar-A-Lago, where he will meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

However, Trump cautioned reporters, as he did in a press conference with Jordan's President King Abdullah Wednesday, that he won't necessarily publicize actions against Syria if he decides to take any.

“I don’t want to say what I’m going to be doing with respect to Syria,” he told reporters.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Trump is running the country based on guesses?


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Post by Addie » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:21 pm

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U.S. appears to be on the verge of Syria missile strike

THE PENTAGON -- With two destroyers armed with cruise missiles positioned in the eastern Mediterranean, the U.S. appeared on the verge of launching a strike against the Syrian military in retaliation for the suspected chemical attack earlier this week.

Cruise missiles are unmanned aircraft which carry a 1,000-pound warhead. They fly close to the ground below enemy air defenses, guided to their targets by GPS satellites.

Preparations for the attack came in the middle of a high-stakes summit between President Trump and China’s President Xi at the Florida White House.

Mr. Trump is the second president to be on the brink of military action against the Assad regime. ...

That was nearly four years ago, before Russia had intervened in Syria on the side of the regime. If President Trump gives the order to strike this time, it will be carried out under the noses of the Russian military.


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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:22 pm

Donald is bombing Syria.

BREAKING: US has launched more than 50 tomahawk missles at airfield near Homs. Russians were warned before hand #syria

Jeff Zeleny ‏Verified account @jeffzeleny 1m1 minute ago
President Trump will make announcement to nation tonight to be followed by briefing from Secretary of State Tillerson and NSA McMaster


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Post by Addie » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:30 pm

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U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack

The United States launched dozens of cruise missiles Thursday night at a Syrian airfield in response to what it believes was the Syrian government's use of banned chemical weapons blamed for having killed at least 100 people on Tuesday, U.S. military officials told NBC News.

Two U.S. warships in the Mediterranean Sea fired at least 50 Tomahawk missiles intended for a single target — Ash Sha'irat in Homs province in western Syria, the officials said. That's the airfield from which the United States believes the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad fired the banned weapons.

There was no immediate word on casualties. U.S. officials told NBC News that people were not targeted and that aircraft and infrastructure at the site, including the runway, were hit.


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Post by Chilidog » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:20 pm

Dog help us. our foreign policy is totally schizophrenic.



No good is going to come out if this.



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Post by John Thomas8 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:29 pm

We need adults in charge, not orange morons.



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Post by optimusprime » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:50 pm

Oil prices jump after U.S. launches missile strike in Syria

Read it [here]



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Post by YaYa » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:24 am



don't tweeted in 2012: Now that Obama's poll numbers are in a tailspin - watch for him to launch a strike on Libya or Iran. He is desperate.



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Post by Addie » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:59 am

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Eyewitness says Syrian military anticipated U.S. raid

Syrian military officials appeared to anticipate Thursday's night raid on Syria's Shayrat airbase, evacuating personnel and moving equipment ahead of the strike, according to an eyewitness to the strike. ...

Local residents say the Russian military had used the airbase in early 2016 but have since withdrawn their officers, so the base is now mainly operated by Syrian and Iranian military officers. There is also a hotel near the airport where Iranian officers have been staying, though it was not clear whether it was damaged. ...

Former National Security Adviser and ABC News contributor Richard Clarke said this attack, one of the quickest displays of force by a new president in recent history, is largely "symbolic."

Following a 2013 chemical weapons attack that killed more than 1400 people outside of Damascus which a U.S. government intelligence assessment concluded likely used a nerve agent, the Obama administration threatened retaliation but ultimately called off planned airstrikes after Assad agreed to turn over the majority of his chemical weapons arsenal to an international watchdog group. Trump has attempted to blame Obama's "weakness" for the worsening violence in Syria.

"This attack on one air base seems more symbolic," Clarke said. "I think Secretary of Defense [General] James Mattis gave the president a list of options, this being the smallest. It was a targeted attack not designed to overwhelm the Syrian military ... I think the president was trying to differentiate himself from his predecessor."
Adding:

HuffPo
Majority Of Republicans Voted No When Obama Wanted To Launch A Strike On Syria

Just 11 weeks into office, President Donald Trump has bombed Syria.

The president announced Thursday that he had launched a missile strike on a Syrian air base in retaliation for a deadly chemical weapon attack perpetrated by Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime. The chemical attack, carried out earlier this week, left at least 70 dead.

In 2013, when a sarin nerve gas attack left more than 1,400 dead outside Damascus, President Barack Obama went to Congress to get approval to strike.

In a vote, 183 Republicans voted against bombing the country. Only 12 Republicans, including then-House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), voted with the president to launch a strike. Ultimately, Congress did not approve the strike, with 243 Congressional members voting against it.


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Post by Addie » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:31 am

ABC News
Russia decries 'clear act of aggression' in US strike on Syria

Russia on Friday slammed the U.S. decision to launch airstrikes against a Syrian air base in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack by the Syrian government, calling the military action a "clear act of aggression" that would "further undermine Russo-American relations."

The harsh words came from Russia's foreign ministry, which lambasted President Trump's decision to send in 59 tomahawk missiles against a Syrian government air base the U.S. says was the origin of Tuesday's chemical weapons attack by forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, which left scores dead in Idlib.

"The presence itself of military personnel from the U.S. and other countries on the territory of Syria without the permission of the government of that country or a resolution of the U.N. Security Council is a gross, clear and in now way justified violation of international law," the Russian foreign ministry said. "If before it was explained as a mission in the battle against terrorism, now it is a clear act of aggression against a sovereign Syria. The taking of these actions by the U.S. today yet further undermines Russo-American relations." ...

The Russian foreign ministry said it was calling for an urgent U.N. Security Council meeting and that it was suspending its current memorandum of understanding with the U.S. military meant to avoid air incidents. ...

The Russian foreign ministry also suggested that the U.S. decision to attack Syria was made in advance of Tuesday's chemical weapons attack in Idlib, calling it "a pretext for a demonstration of force."
Adding:

Newsweek: Russia Pulls Out of Syria Air Safety Deal With U.S. After Strike

Independent: Syria claims US air strike killed seven people, including four children


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:38 pm

Best images from Russian TV team (English subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvIZTosVTQ



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Post by RVInit » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:34 pm

I wonder if Trump or Putin is better at lying. It must be infuriating for Trump to have to deal with someone who is at least as prolific a liar as our own liar-in=Chief. There is something mildly humorous about it.


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Post by RVInit » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:52 pm

Congress abdicating their responsibility to make decisions regarding acts of war should not be ignored by Democrats. There needs to be pushback on this. This is just another example of Republicans playing dirty pool. They can hold it over a Democratic President's head, like they did Obama. Then just ignore when a Republican President does it, like Trump. This should not stand. This is the biggest problem Democrats have in fighting Republicans. Do they get down and dirty, too? They wouldn't have to if the media would just do their damn job.

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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:18 pm

RVInit wrote:Congress abdicating their responsibility to make decisions regarding acts of war should not be ignored by Democrats.
This goes back to the war on Vietnam--simply a police action,thank you. It ought to go back to the 1930s with a very much earlier entry into WWII. The unnecessary loss of hundreds of thousands, or of millions, of lives among the combatants might have been avoided. Much of the Jewish population of Europe might not have been destroyed. The U.S. would not have turned away the ship fleeing Germany and then the proposal to shelter Jewish children. That is our moral stain of the 20th century.

With Pesach and Easter upon us, this moral failure should stand before us.


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Post by maydijo » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:58 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
RVInit wrote:Congress abdicating their responsibility to make decisions regarding acts of war should not be ignored by Democrats.
This goes back to the war on Vietnam--simply a police action,thank you. It ought to go back to the 1930s with a very much earlier entry into WWII. The unnecessary loss of hundreds of thousands, or of millions, of lives among the combatants might have been avoided. Much of the Jewish population of Europe might not have been destroyed. The U.S. would not have turned away the ship fleeing Germany and then the proposal to shelter Jewish children. That is our moral stain of the 20th century.

With Pesach and Easter upon us, this moral failure should stand before us.
From what I understand the US really had no interest in saving Jewish lives even once they were in the war. The Holocaust wasn't hidden; there were references to it in papers - people didn't know how bad it was, but it was known that it was happening. And at the same time there was a great deal of anti-Semitic rhetoric in the same papers in the US. Put simply the US didn't want the European Jews, and sometimes went to great lengths to avoid taking them.

I know a uni professor in Australia, Robert Manne, a well-known academic in this country, whose father was an American citizen, born in the US to German parents. He was living in South Africa when Hitler came to power. After the war started South Africa kicked him out, but he knew that to go back to Germany would be tantamount to a death sentence. He thought he'd use his US Citizenship to go to the US. The US refused to acknowledge he was a citizen and refused to allow him into the country. He ended up in Australia because, quite literally, it was the only country that would take him.



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Post by Skip Intro » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:51 pm

Stolen from some unknown on FB: Trump could have done far more damage to that airfield if he bought it and ran it as one of his businesses.


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Post by MN-Skeptic » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:57 pm

Skip Intro wrote:Stolen from some unknown on FB: Trump could have done far more damage to that airfield if he bought it and ran it as one of his businesses.
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Post by Fortinbras » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:32 pm

Yes, the airfield is still operating.

SImple fact, Putin is an ally of Assad, just as he is a buddy of Trump. It is admitted by the White House that Trump called Putin before the air attack to warn Putin of the missiles (Trump did not tell Congress before the air attack but he did tell Putin, put that in your bong ...). Since Assad was a client of Putin it may easily be assumed that Putin immediately passed the warning to Assad and that Assad immediately had his troops and valuable armament removed from the target airfield. There is no evidence that Assad suffered any serious setback and the airfield was back in full operation the next day.

If you or I had warned Putin or Assad, we'd be on gallows this very moment.

You'll notice that Trump hasn't followed up the airfield bombing with anything more. It might have made sense to say that, in response to Assad's war crimes, Trump orders the bombing of various - and unspecified - Assad military assets, and the most warning given to Putin would be to get the Russians out of Syria altogether. But, so far, Trump seems satisfied with this empty and ineffective gesture, a violation of the War Powers Act and of his own interpretation of the President's authority to order an attack.



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Post by Skip Intro » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:54 pm

Trump's been busy playing golf for the last two days so he hasn't had time to stage the Mission Accomplished ceremony yet.

What was accomplished? Apparently getting the media to orgasim over how presidential he is for shooting off some missiles.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:03 pm

Skip Intro wrote:Trump's been busy playing golf for the last two days so he hasn't had time to stage the Mission Accomplished ceremony yet.

What was accomplished? Apparently getting the media to orgasim over how presidential he is for shooting off some missiles.
There is only a Coast Guard ship at Mar-a-lago, no bigly aircraft carrier :lol:



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Post by MsDaisy » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:48 am

Hard to know which thread to put this one in...

Trump officials tell Russia to drop its support for Syria’s Assad
Officials in the Trump administration on Sunday demanded that Russia stop supporting the Syrian government or face a further deterioration in its relations with the United States.

Signaling the focus of talks that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is set to have in Moscow this week, officials said that Russia, in propping up Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, bears at least partial responsibility for Wednesday’s chemical attack on villagers in Idlib province.

“I hope Russia is thinking carefully about its continued alliance with Bashar al-Assad, because every time one of these horrific attacks occurs, it draws Russia closer into some level of responsibility,” Tillerson said on ABC’s “This Week.”

In advance of Tillerson’s arrival, the Kremlin said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin had no plans to meet with the secretary of state.
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Post by Volkonski » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:13 am

Trump administration sends mixed signals on Syria ahead of G7 meeting

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/politics/ ... e-strikes/
At the weekend, US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley suggested regime change in Syria was inevitable in the wake of last week's chemical weapons attack that was widely blamed on the Assad regime.

Haley told CNN's "State of the Union" that removing Assad was now a US priority. "If you look at his actions, if you look at the situation, it's going to be hard to see a government that's peaceful and stable with Assad," she said.

But Tillerson was more equivocal, saying that the priority was the defeat of ISIS. Asked on CBS's "Face the Nation" whether deposing Assad was a priority, he replied: "I think the president has been quite clear. First and foremost, we must defeat ISIS." He went on to say that the Syrian people would determine the future of Assad.
The Russian naval base in Syria is what Putin cares about. If Assad came out as gay Putin would still back him.


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