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Post by maydijo » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:11 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:53 pm


Pray tell, what would that one thing be? :?
I wish his answer was a Trump tower, but somehow I don't think that's what he has in mind



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Post by MN-Skeptic » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:23 pm

Maybe the solution could be a Trump golf course in North Korea. He and what’s-his-name could play golf together - although both are supposedly the best in the world, aren’t they? - and Trump would never bomb his own golf course.



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Post by Hektor » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:51 pm

Part of me wants to believe this is Trump the showman playing with the Nixon madman scheme. More of me is scared he is under the mistaken belief that he can get a "win" on the cheap and be praised as a "fearless leader." Whatever his "strategy" is, for lack of a better term I'm afraid that he won't listen to anyone who tries to tell him about unintended consequences.



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Post by Suranis » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:40 pm

He might be hamfistedly trying to help his negotiators by acting crazy, and trying to get more news coverage. Scaring the NK guys into giving because "HE JUST MIGHT DO IT!!"

I dont think he has given any thought to what happens if it does not work.


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Post by Hektor » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:06 am

Suranis wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:40 pm
I dont think he has given any thought to what happens if it does not work.
This applies regardless of what his "strategy" is. He's always reminded me of the loud guy at the bar who knows (with great conviction, especially after a couple beers) what needs to be done but the politicians won't do it for reasons.



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Post by RVInit » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:16 am

That is one thing I find fascinating about 45. He doesn't drink or do drugs, this is just who he is without any embellishment or help from any hallucinogens or depressants. I guess maybe we are lucky that he doesn't drink or drug? :eek2:


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:47 am

:?

Inside North Korea, and Feeling the Drums of War

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opin ... .html?_r=0
Far more than when I previously visited, North Korea is galvanizing its people to expect a nuclear war with the United States. High school students march in the streets in military uniform every day to denounce America. Posters and billboards along the public roads show missiles destroying the U.S. Capitol and shredding the American flag. In fact, images of missiles are everywhere — in a kindergarten playground, at a dolphin show, on state television. This military mobilization is accompanied by the ubiquitous assumption that North Korea could not only survive a nuclear conflict, but also win it.

:snippity:

On past trips (my last was in 2005), we journalists stayed at hotels in the capital and were free to walk around on our own, but this time the Foreign Ministry housed us at its own guarded Kobangsan Guest House east of the capital. At first I thought this was simply to restrict us, but increasingly I saw signs of something more interesting and menacing: The Foreign Ministry was also protecting us from hard-liners in the military or in the security services.

:snippity:
What makes this moment so perilous is that North Koreans are steeped in the idea that they have repeatedly defeated the U.S. — and can do so again. Every single person we spoke to, from officials to students, voiced certainty that if war breaks out, America will end up in ashes and the Kim regime will emerge victorious.

“U.S. pride will be squished,” predicted Jo Yong-myong, a 20-year-old university student, who thinks war is likely. “The big nose of the U.S. will be cut off.”


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Post by Addie » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:08 am

The Guardian
Meet Kim Yo-jong, the sister who is the brains behind Kim Jong-un's image

Kim Yo-jong’s promotion to the politburo of North Korea’s workers’ party is a sign that Kim Jong-un has absolute trust in his younger sister – rumoured to be the brains behind his carefully constructed public image – as he seeks to tighten his grip on power.

Yo-jong, who is four years younger than her brother, was rarely seen in public until 2010, when she was photographed attending a Korean Workers’ party conference. By the following year, she was a regular presence in her father Kim Jong-il’s entourage, and was seen mourning alongside her brother after their father’s death in December 2011.

She did not receive an official mention in North Korean state media until March 2014, when she accompanied Kim Jong-un during elections for the supreme people’s assembly. There were even rumours that she was briefly responsible for state affairs during Kim’s prolonged absence from public life – attributed to an undisclosed health problem – in the autumn of that year. ...

Her promotion on Saturday means that she enjoys her brother’s absolute trust, and cements her position as one of the two most visible women in North Korean public life, alongside the leader’s wife, Ri Sol-ju.

Kim Yo-jong was appointed vice-director of the party’s propaganda and agitation department in late 2014, and used the role to create a cult of personality around her brother that included presenting him as a benevolent, accessible leader modelled on his grandfather, and North Korea’s founder, Kim Il-sung.


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Post by Volkonski » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:06 am

:?
U.S. Military to Begin Drills to Evacuate Americans From South Korea

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/worl ... .html?_r=0
The United States military said on Monday that it would practice evacuating noncombatant Americans out of South Korea in the event of war and other emergencies, as the two allies began a joint naval exercise amid heightened tensions with North Korea.

The exercise, known as Courageous Channel, is scheduled from Oct. 23 to 27. The annual training drills are aimed at preparing American “service members and their families to respond to a wide range of crisis management events such as noncombatant evacuation and natural or man-made disasters,” the United States military said in a statement.

It has been conducting similar noncombatant evacuation exercises for decades, along with other joint military exercises with South Korea. But when tensions escalate with North Korea, as they have recently, such drills draw outsize attention and ignite fear among South Koreans, some of whom take them as a sign that the United States might be preparing for military action against the North.

The South Korean government of President Moon Jae-in has repeatedly warned that it opposes a military solution to the North Korean nuclear crisis because it could quickly escalate into a full-blown war in which Koreans would suffer the most.


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:00 am

Volkonski wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:06 am
:?
U.S. Military to Begin Drills to Evacuate Americans From South Korea

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/worl ... .html?_r=0

:snippity:
I hope the exercise is based on reality, that nothing moves in the first 30 miles south of the Demilitarized Zone cause it will be a burned earth zone. Do they have the capacitiy to move all Americans down south and free airfields and harbours for all the transport off the penninsula? How about getting the terrorized South Korean population under control when they try to flee too. Of course a few other nationalities may also want to be airlifted out of the battle zone after the US started a show down.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:56 am

Are Trump associates selling Samsung and Hyundai stock short?



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Post by Addie » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:24 am

Associated Press
North Korea says ‘a nuclear war may break out any moment’

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — North Korea’s deputy U.N. ambassador warned Monday that the situation on the Korean peninsula “has reached the touch-and-go point and a nuclear war may break out any moment.”

Kim In Ryong told the U.N. General Assembly’s disarmament committee that North Korea is the only country in the world that has been subjected to “such an extreme and direct nuclear threat” from the United States since the 1970s — and said the country has the right to possess nuclear weapons in self-defense.

He pointed to large-scale military exercises every year using “nuclear assets” and said what is more dangerous is what he called a U.S. plan to stage a “secret operation aimed at the removal of our supreme leadership.”

This year, Kim said, North Korea completed its “state nuclear force and thus became the full-fledged nuclear power which possesses the delivery means of various ranges, including the atomic bomb, H-bomb and intercontinental ballistic rockets.”

“The entire U.S. mainland is within our firing range and if the U.S. dares to invade our sacred territory even an inch it will not escape our severe punishment in any part of the globe,” he warned.


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:01 pm

from Sept 28. 2017
How to Tell If North Korea and America Are Actually Headed to War

BY URI FRIEDMAN THE ATLANTIC SEPTEMBER 28, 2017

Watch what Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un do, not just what they say.

There are moments—like when the American president threatens to “totally destroy” the nation of North Korea and its raving mad “Little Rocket Man” of a leader, while the North Koreans suggest they’ll retaliate against this “declaration of war” from a “mentally deranged U.S. dotard” by downing U.S. military planes and exploding a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific Ocean—when one gets the distinct impression that the United States and North Korea are headed for war.

But while words matter, they aren’t all that matter. Actions may be a better indicator of where the crisis stands and what could come next. And the governments of the alleged dotard and Rocket Man have been taking actions that tell a different story than the apocalyptic rhetoric does.

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2017/ ... ar/141355/



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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:08 pm

on the lighter side :o :lol:




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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:32 pm

Cross-Shaped WWI Monument Declared Unconstitutional
The Peace Cross memorial “has the primary effect of endorsing religion,” a judge ruled.

By Willa Frej

A Latin cross-shaped monument in Maryland built 90 years ago in memory of fallen World War I soldiers is an unconstitutional endorsement of religion, a federal appeals court ruled.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit decided in a 2-1 ruling Wednesday that the Peace Cross on a publicly owned suburban Washington roadside “has the primary effect of endorsing religion and excessively entangles the government in religion.”

“The Latin cross is the core symbol of Christianity,” Judge Stephanie D. Thacker wrote. “And here, it is 40 feet tall; prominently displayed in the center of one of the busiest intersections in Prince George’s County, Maryland; and maintained with thousands of dollars in government funds. Therefore, we hold that the purported war memorial breaches the ‘wall of separation between Church and State.’”[

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cr ... de58/quote]



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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:30 pm

As Mattis peers into North Korea, he gets warning on artillery
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DEMILITARIZED ZONE, South Korea (Reuters) - As U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis peered into North Korea from a lookout post on Friday, he was given a blunt reminder by his South Korean counterpart of the vast amount of North Korean artillery within range of Seoul.

Above the faint sound of North Korean propaganda music being blasted from across the border, South Korean Defense Minister Song Young-moo suggested that U.S. and South Korean missile defenses simply could not stop all of them.

“Defending against this many LRAs (long-range artillery) is infeasible in my opinion,” Song told Mattis, citing a need for strategies to “offensively neutralize” the artillery in the event of a conflict.

Mattis replied: “Understood.”

The brief exchange at the inter-Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) - where U.S .President Donald Trump may visit in coming days - spoke volumes about the risks of any miscalculation as tension soars over Pyongyang’s rapidly advancing nuclear weapon and missile programs.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asia ... SKBN1CW18A



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Post by Volkonski » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:11 am

That blunt assessment from the Pentagon is in response to a letter from two Democratic congressmen asking about casualty assessments in a conflict with North Korea.

Rear Adm. Michael J. Dumont of the Joint Staff offered the assessment in response to a letter from Reps. Ted Lieu of California and Ruben Gallego of Arizona.

In a joint statement issued Saturday, 15 Democratic lawmakers and one Republican — all military veterans — called the assessment that a ground invasion would be required to destroy the North’s nuclear arsenal “deeply disturbing” and said that such an action “could result in hundreds of thousands, or even millions of deaths in just the first few days of fighting.”

:snippity:

A report by the Congressional Research Service released last month estimates as many as 25 million people on either side of the border, including more than 100,000 U.S. citizens, could be affected by an escalation of a military conflict on the Korean peninsula.


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Post by RVInit » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:25 am

Now that DOTUS is on North Korea's doorstep, sort of, he is toning down the rhetoric. Typical coward.


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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:12 am

No War Threats From Trump, Who Tells Koreans ‘It Will All Work Out’
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, MARK LANDLER and CHOE SANG-HUNNOV. 7, 2017

SEOUL, South Korea — President Trump, whose long-distance threats and insults toward North Korea have stoked fears of a nuclear confrontation, brought a message of reassurance to South Korea on Tuesday, moving to bolster an anxious ally as he came within 35 miles of one of the world’s most dangerous borders.

Gone were the threats to rain “fire and fury” on North Korea and the derisive references to its leader, Kim Jong-un, as “Little Rocket Man” as Mr. Trump said he saw progress in diplomatic efforts to counter the threat from Pyongyang, adding, “Ultimately, it will all work out.”

After a day of private meetings and public bonding with President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, who was elected promising a shift toward dialogue with the North, Mr. Trump — who as recently as last month tweeted that direct talks were a “waste of time” — said on Tuesday that it would be in Pyongyang’s interest to “come to the table and to make a deal.”

And instead of threatening muscular pre-emptive action against the North, Mr. Trump said he prayed that using military force would not be necessary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/worl ... north.html



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:14 am

RTH10260 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:12 am
No War Threats From Trump, Who Tells Koreans ‘It Will All Work Out’
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, MARK LANDLER and CHOE SANG-HUNNOV. 7, 2017
:snippity:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/worl ... north.html
OK - Trump just lost the fight with N.Korea. In the eyes of the Asians he cannot walk back to war mongering without "loosing face".



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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:15 am

RTH10260 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:14 am
RTH10260 wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:12 am
No War Threats From Trump, Who Tells Koreans ‘It Will All Work Out’
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, MARK LANDLER and CHOE SANG-HUNNOV. 7, 2017
:snippity:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/worl ... north.html
OK - Trump just lost the fight with N.Korea. In the eyes of the Asians he cannot walk back to war mongering without "loosing face".
Can't lose what you don't got.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:18 am

Correct. An ass can’t have face.



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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:23 am

North Korea denounces US terror listing as a 'serious provocation'

By Ben Westcott, CNN
Updated 1349 GMT (2149 HKT) November 22, 2017

The US announced the move on Monday, with Trump saying it was overdue
North Korea responded furiously that "no sanction or pressure" would hold them back

(CNN)Pyongyang has loudly denounced the decision by the United States to relist North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism, with a foreign ministry spokesman warning it was a "serious provocation."

In a report published on North Korean state media KCNA, the spokesman said his country had nothing to do with terrorism, saying the relisting was an "absurdity."

"This is a serious provocation and a violent infringement upon our dignified country," the spokesman said according to KCNA.

The Trump administration announced on Monday that North Korea would again be included on the list of states which sponsor terrorism, adding the US Treasury Department would be initiating further sanctions on the already isolated nation.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/22/asia/ ... index.html



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Post by Whatever4 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:05 pm

“once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department, " says wernher von braun.

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