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Trump is looking for a war somewhere fantasizing about being a military hero. Just what we need.


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The Korean situation, especially when it's just between the US and North Korea, is very stark and frightening.

One the one hand a bizarre and irrational dictator with command of missiles and an army,
and on the other hand, Kim Jong Une.


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A war is the only thing that will help his approval ratings and he knows it. Americans have historically rallied around their President during time of war. I have no doubt that he will get us into a war, who knows where.


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North Korean Defector Tells Lester Holt ‘World Should be Ready’

SEOUL, South Korea — A senior North Korean defector has told NBC News that the country's "desperate" dictator is prepared to use nuclear weapons to strike the United States and its allies.

Thae Yong Ho is the most high profile North Korean defector in two decades, meaning he is able to give a rare insight into the secretive, authoritarian regime.

According to Thae, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is "desperate in maintaining his rule by relying on his [development of] nuclear weapons and ICBM." He was using an acronym for intercontinental ballistic missiles — a long range rocket that in theory would be capable of hitting the U.S.

"Once he sees that there is any kind of sign of a tank or an imminent threat from America, then he would use his nuclear weapons with ICBM," he added in an exclusive interview on Sunday.


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Fortinbras wrote:The Korean situation, especially when it's just between the US and North Korea, is very stark and frightening.

One the one hand a bizarre and irrational dictator with command of missiles and an army,
and on the other hand, Kim Jong Une.
It is indeed a frightening prospect. Two irrational "leaders" pitted against each other - Trump actually said something truthful - it won't be good for anyone.


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Looks like Super Jared has another assignment while his boss golfs and tweets.


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Addie wrote:CNN
Trump: US will act unilaterally on North Korea if necessary
:snippity: .
I wonder what Teh Donald has to offer to the Chinese president, while possible not according to his Art Of The Deal, the partner expects something as compensation. Just commanding "Do as I tell you" will not nudge the Chinese to follow US wishes. I wonder to what extent T.Rex prepared the Mar-A-Lago meeting, communicated the offers in advance. Or will Teh Donald show up with a sort of a "NATO Invoice", Chinese edition?

I wonder what "his generals" may have cooked up for the case that nothing happens and Teh Donald wants to bully N.K.. Only show piece I can come up with would be an attempt of a maritime blockade of N.K., but how to do that without the backing of the UN is in the stars. Plus the US must consider their possible answer if N.K. takes the challenge and moves against the US navy, expect some damaged floating or sunk US hardware. One ends up once again with the general problem of how to work around an all out war with N.K..


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Too true, Forti :like:
Fortinbras wrote:The Korean situation, especially when it's just between the US and North Korea, is very stark and frightening.

One the one hand a bizarre and irrational dictator with command of missiles and an army,
and on the other hand, Kim Jong Une.


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There is a real risk to staking your presidency upon waging war with North Korea. Only one of those ICBMs with a nuclear warhead could wipe out more Americans than the entire population of North Korea (~25 million). Our West coast is densely population.


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CNN Politics ✔ @CNNPolitics
BREAKING: A senior WH official on the state of North Korea’s nuclear program: “The clock has now run out and all options are on the table”
12:06 PM - 4 Apr 2017
Jon Passantino ✔ @passantino
Within minutes of this report North Korea fired a projectile off its east coast
12:12 PM - 4 Apr 2017


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Seoul's Joint Chiefs of Staff says in a statement that the missile fired from the North's eastern coastal town of Sinpo on Wednesday morning flew about 60 kilometers (37 miles.) It gave no further details.

The firing was made as South Korean and U.S. troops were conducting annual military drills that the North views as an invasion rehearsal.

North Korea often responds to the drills with its own military training and harsh rhetoric.
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You know, I have long been tired of Trump arguing that he has easy answers to complicated political questions that the politicians simply didn't do because reasons. In the case of North Korea, making assumptions that the Chinese can--let alone will--solve the problem for him is idiotic at best and extremely dangerous even at best. Same with "all options on the table."

Yes, theoretically China has levers that it could use to prod the DPRK. But they definitely do not want North Korea to collapse. A bordering failed state is not something that is good for any country and they certainly do not want the ROK to take over and have a border with a pro-US ally. Also, too, there's the whole nuclear weapons thing, which might just slightly complicate things. I have absolutely no training in international relations I admit, but when you have a secretive, opaque and unpredictable dictatorship with atomic bombs, pushing them into a corner (or at least attempting to do so) is probably not the wisest of courses. And the stupid thing is, even without resorting to WMD, the North Koreans can kill a lot of people. Their arsenal might be full of aging soviet tech, but quantity has a quality all its own.


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Alarming nonresponse.
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My post from 2/4 has stories about Kim's uncle who was the main China contact until he was killed. http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 50#p857627 including this, good insight into China.

Wild story about Dandong on the border, the Chinese built a $350 million bridge but the North Koreans didn't even build a road to on their side. The uncle was the main man, his colleagues have been recalled.
n the early years of Kim Jong Un’s rule, half a decade ago, cheap Chinese goods flooded across the border. The two sides agreed China would build a new bridge and high-speed rail links. But Mr Kim, whom the Chinese call “Kim Fatty the Third”, went on to sabotage the plans. First he staged a nuclear test to coincide with Xi Jinping’s accession as China’s president in 2013. Then he executed his uncle, Jang Sung Taek, a powerful official who had been the main conduit between the two regimes.

Dandong New City, a few kilometres down the shore, is a monument to a trade hub that never was. Rice paddies were paved over for apartment complexes such as “Left Bank of Uptown” and “Singapore City”, but only 15,000 people live in the new city, which has a capacity of 400,000. A four-lane suspension bridge straddling the Yalu was completed in 2014, but the North Koreans never built a road to meet it. A customs building with an empty rectangular space in the middle, intended to represent the Chinese character for “gateway”, instead acts as a monumental metaphor for a grand plan with a hole in it.
Politics and pity on the border of China and North Korea http://www.economist.com/news/christmas ... s-and-pity

President Xi to confront Trump with China-first policy
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 100014326/

I wish Donald wasn't bringing President Xi to Florida. How about they meet at Guantanamo?
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I wonder why China doesn't just annex North Korea. It's not like anyone would care.


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RoadScholar wrote:I wonder why China doesn't just annex North Korea. It's not like anyone would care.
North Korea has a 950,000 man standing army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Pe ... ent_status

China would win, but there would be hundreds of thousands of casualties.


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I think we should drop some Trump supporters on them. :mrgreen:


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Foggy wrote:I think we should drop some Trump supporters on them. :mrgreen:
Cannon fodder. That's all 45 thinks of them as.


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Foggy wrote:I think we should drop some Trump supporters on them. :mrgreen:
It's a bad thing for the world that modern rulers of countries don't have to lead their troops into battle from the front, flying their standard, etc. They might be a little more careful about starting wars if they couldn't escape personal and family involvement.

Especially a physical and moral coward like Donald Trump.


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Navy strike group moving toward Korean peninsula

The United States is moving a Navy strike group toward the Korean Peninsula amid rising concerns over North Korea's weapons program, the Navy said in a statement on Saturday.

The Navy's Carl Vinson strike group left Singapore on Saturday and will move into the Western Pacific Ocean near the Korean Peninsula.

A U.S. official told Reuters that the move is intended to put pressure on North Korea to curb its recent weapons tests

"We feel the increased presence is necessary," the official said.

North Korea has conducted a number of weapons tests this year. The hermit kingdom on Tuesday launched a Scud missile, which went only a short distance before crashing into the sea east of the Korean Peninsula.


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Updates from Kim Fatty the Third. Excellent #NorthKorea news aggregator interface for viewing #DRPK media reports at https://kcnawatch.co/
About KCNA Watch

KCNA Watch is an aggregator of official DPRK media output, which updates in real time.

Due to regular server outages on official DPRK media sites, KCNA Watch mirrors all DPRK media for easy access and browsing.

Full copies of articles and PDFs are also hosted here due to the DPRK government’s regular deletion and editing of archived materials.

Furthermore, unlike many official DPRK media sites, KCNA Watch allows for articles to be shared in realtime via social media, with permalinks that can be cited in academic journals.


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Teh Donald and T.Rex playing with the fire
North Korea 'ready for war' after US redeploys navy strike team
Pyongyang cites ‘reckless moves’ by US and says it will defend the country from invasion ‘by powerful force of arms’, according to reports

Justin McCurry in Tokyo and Tom Phillips in Beijing
Tuesday 11 April 2017 07.57 BST First published on Tuesday 11 April 2017 02.12 BST

North Korea has warned of “catastrophic consequences” in response to any further provocations by the US, days after a US navy battle group was sent to waters off the Korean peninsula.

The decision to divert the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier and other battleships from a planned visit to Australia to the western Pacific came after tensions increased over ongoing military drills involving American and South Korean forces that Pyongyang regards as a dress rehearsal for an invasion.

“We will hold the US wholly accountable for the catastrophic consequences to be entailed by its outrageous actions,” North Korea’s state-run Korean Central News Agency quoted a foreign ministry spokesman as saying. “(North Korea) is ready to react to any mode of war desired by the US.”

The spokesman cited Washington’s refusal to rule out a pre-emptive strike against North Korean missile sites as justification for its nuclear programme.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -redeploys


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:blackeye: for Kim
North Korean ships head home after China orders coal returned

By John Ruwitch and Meng Meng | SHANGHAI

A fleet of North Korean cargo ships is heading home to the port of Nampo, the majority of it fully laden, after China ordered its trading companies to return coal from the isolated country, shipping data shows.

Following repeated missile tests that drew international criticism, China banned all imports of North Korean coal on Feb. 26, cutting off the country's most important export product.

To curb coal traffic between the two countries, China's customs department issued an official order on April 7 telling trading companies to return their North Korean coal cargoes, said three trading sources with direct knowledge of the order.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKBN17D0D8


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RTH10260 wrote::blackeye: for Kim
North Korean ships head home after China orders coal returned

By John Ruwitch and Meng Meng | SHANGHAI

A fleet of North Korean cargo ships is heading home to the port of Nampo, the majority of it fully laden, after China ordered its trading companies to return coal from the isolated country, shipping data shows.

Following repeated missile tests that drew international criticism, China banned all imports of North Korean coal on Feb. 26, cutting off the country's most important export product.

To curb coal traffic between the two countries, China's customs department issued an official order on April 7 telling trading companies to return their North Korean coal cargoes, said three trading sources with direct knowledge of the order.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKBN17D0D8
It's all part of Trump's plan to bring back coal mining in the US. China has to get their coal from somewhere!


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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
RTH10260 wrote::blackeye: for Kim
[size 150]North Korean ships head home after China orders coal returned[ size]

By John Ruwitch and Meng Meng | SHANGHAI

A fleet of North Korean cargo ships is heading home to the port of Nampo, the majority of it fully laden, after China ordered its trading companies to return coal from the isolated country, shipping data shows.

Following repeated missile tests that drew international criticism, China banned all imports of North Korean coal on Feb. 26, cutting off the country's most important export product.

To curb coal traffic between the two countries, China's customs department issued an official order on April 7 telling trading companies to return their North Korean coal cargoes, said three trading sources with direct knowledge of the order.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKBN17D0D8

It's all part of Trump's plan to bring back coal mining in the US. China has to get their coal from somewhere!
Yeah - Teh Donald revives US coal industry, while China winds down their own and retrains their miners into clean and green energy sources. :lol:


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North Korea threatens US with nuclear strike as American warships approach

SEOUL, April 11 (Reuters) - North Korean state media on Tuesday warned of a nuclear attack on the United States at any sign of a U.S. pre-emptive strike as a U.S. Navy strike group led by a nuclear-powered aircraft steamed towards the western Pacific.

Tension has escalated sharply on the Korean peninsula with talk of military action by the United States gaining traction following its strikes last week against Syria and amid concerns the reclusive North may soon conduct a sixth nuclear test.

North Korea's official Rodong Sinmun newspaper said the country was prepared to respond to any aggression by the United States.

"Our revolutionary strong army is keenly watching every move by enemy elements with our nuclear sight focused on the U.S. invasionary bases not only in South Korea and the Pacific operation theater but also in the U.S. mainland," it said.


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