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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:46 am

Al Jazeera English wrote: 8 Mar 2017
A video has emerged of a man said to be Kim Han-sol, son of murdered Kim Jong-nam, the first time a member of his family has spoken about his death.
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UN report shows North Korea using Africa to slip sanctions
By CARA ANNA, ASSOCIATED PRESS JOHANNESBURG — Mar 4, 2017, 10:21 AM ET

North Korean weapons barred by U.N. sanctions ended up in the hands of U.N. peacekeepers in Africa, a confidential report says. That incident and others in more than a half-dozen African nations show how North Korea, despite facing its toughest sanctions in decades, continues to avoid them on the world's most impoverished continent with few repercussions.

The annual report by a U.N. panel of experts on North Korea, obtained by The Associated Press, illustrates how Pyongyang evades sanctions imposed for its nuclear and ballistic missile programs to cooperate "on a large scale," including military training and construction, in countries from Angola to Uganda.

Among the findings was the "largest seizure of ammunition in the history of sanctions" against North Korea, with 30,000 rocket-propelled grenades found hidden under iron ore that was destined for Egypt in a cargo vessel heading toward the Suez Canal. The intended destination of the North Korean-made grenades, seized in August, was not clear.

A month before that, the report says, a U.N. member state seized an air shipment destined for a company in Eritrea containing military radio communications items. It was the second time military-related items had been caught being exported from North Korea to Eritrea "and confirms ongoing arms-related cooperation between the two countries." Eritrea is also under U.N. sanctions for supporting armed groups in the Horn of Africa.
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Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has ‘failed’; Pyongyang warns of war

TOKYO — The Trump administration made a clear break Thursday with diplomatic efforts to talk North Korea out of a nuclear confrontation, bringing the United States and its Asian allies closer to a military response than at any point in more than a decade.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that 20 years of trying to persuade North Korea to abandon its nuclear program had failed and that he was visiting Asia “to exchange views on a new approach.”

Soon after Tillerson’s remarks, in a sign of mounting tensions, the North Korean Embassy held an extraordinary news conference in Beijing to blame the potential for nuclear war on the United States while vowing that its homegrown nuclear testing program will continue in self-defense.

North Korea has amassed a sizable nuclear stockpile and appears at the brink of being able to strike the U.S. mainland and American allies in Asia. The rising threat from the isolated military dictatorship has prompted the Trump administration to begin assessing its options for how to respond and serves as an early test for how the president will confront an increasingly volatile international situation.

One potential immediate response would be to strengthen existing South Korean missile capabilities or to provide Japan with new offensive missile ability. Japan’s defense chief told parliament this month that he would not rule out “first strike” capability, which would be a major departure from Japan’s postwar pacifist traditions.


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Addie wrote:WaPo
Tillerson says diplomacy with North Korea has ‘failed’; Pyongyang warns of war

The rising threat from the isolated military dictatorship has prompted the Trump administration to begin assessing its options for how to respond and serves as an early test for how the president will confront an increasingly volatile international situation.
Trump has made clear that he wants to go to war, wants a military confrontation. Historically, Americans have been loath to replace a president in times of international upheaval. Despite GW's low approval ratings, he was elected for a second term at least in part because of the ongoing Iraq and Afghanistan wars. A confrontation with North Korea would, therefore, suit The Orange Man right down to the ground, not just because he is a bellicose son of a bitch but because it would help cement him into the role of Commander in Chief.

This is a terrifying development.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:13 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Addie wrote:WaPo
Trump has made clear that he wants to go to war, wants a military confrontation. Historically, Americans have been loathe to replace a president in times of international upheaval. Despite GW's low approval ratings, he was elected for a second term at least in part because of the ongoing Iraq and Afghanistan wars. A confrontation with North Korea would, therefore, suit The Orange Man right down to the ground, not just because he is a bellicose son of a bitch but because it would help cement him into the role of Commander in Chief.

This is a terrifying development.
Agreed. Send Mattis to use some soft power. He understands diplomacy and has the power of being Secretary of Defense. Thanks, President Bannon, for isolating and minimizing the Secretary of State.


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kate520 wrote:ASSHATS! Go swing your dicks at each other and leave us out of it!
Really.


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Expects Chinese cooperation on North Korea, then turns around and offers a big money/big technology weapons package to Nationalist China - Taiwan (the good China) to defend against the Chinese...

What a bunch of dicks.

The Chinese don't like the North Koreans any more than anyone else likes the N. Koreans. They're having border, defector, and trade issues. However, they might stand behind them (NK) just because the US is on the "other side". They can let the North Koreans screw with the US and reap whatever benefits fall out of it.

If the US thinks they are going to use nukes, the 45 has another thing coming - like mebbe Russian & Chinese nukes in return.


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SueDB wrote:Expects Chinese cooperation on North Korea, then turns around and offers a big money/big technology weapons package to Nationalist China - Taiwan (the good China) to defend against the Chinese...

What a bunch of dicks.

The Chinese don't like the North Koreans any more than anyone else likes the N. Koreans. They're having border, defector, and trade issues. However, they might stand behind them (NK) just because the US is on the "other side". They can let the North Koreans screw with the US and reap whatever benefits fall out of it.

If the US thinks they are going to use nukes, the 45 has another thing coming - like mebbe Russian & Chinese nukes in return.
The US will also have to absorb the worlds reaction, not only about going nuclear, but about having indirectly killed several millions of South Korean residents, in a wide band from coast to coast, about fifty miles deep from the DMZ, including Seoul decimated and several industrial zones destroyed. The N.K. army has dug itself deep into the earth just north of the DMZ, ready to lash out. No way that a US attack can keep them from retaliating. The world economy will take a yuuuge dive. The US economy itself will suffer cause it relies on S.K. products in many ways.



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SueDB wrote:Expects Chinese cooperation on North Korea, then turns around and offers a big money/big technology weapons package to Nationalist China - Taiwan (the good China) to defend against the Chinese...

What a bunch of dicks.

The Chinese don't like the North Koreans any more than anyone else likes the N. Koreans. They're having border, defector, and trade issues. However, they might stand behind them (NK) just because the US is on the "other side". They can let the North Koreans screw with the US and reap whatever benefits fall out of it.

If the US thinks they are going to use nukes, the 45 has another thing coming - like mebbe Russian & Chinese nukes in return.
The US will also have to absorb the worlds reaction, not only about going nuclear, but about having indirectly killed several millions of South Korean residents, in a wide band from coast to coast, about fifty miles deep from the DMZ, including Seoul decimated and several industrial zones destroyed. The N.K:army has dug itself deep into the earth just notrth of the DMZ, read to lash out. No way that a US attack can keep them from retaliating. The world economy will take a yuuuge dive. The US economy itself will suffer cause it relies on S.K. products in many ways.
I wonder if anyone has asked the SOUTH Koreans how they feel about getting caught in the crossfire???

A conventional response would require a huge commitment of soldiers to help keep the NKs from screaming over the DMZ - taking way too much time. We're busy elsewhere - especially if the S Koreans decide this isn't their idea/fight.

A conventional air strike I feel would draw the kind of reaction from the North Koreans that you describe. Again, I wonder what the South Koreans think about the decimation of their country to satisfy 45's immature/stupid actions.


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SueDB wrote:
RTH10260 wrote:
SueDB wrote:Expects Chinese cooperation on North Korea, then turns around and offers a big money/big technology weapons package to Nationalist China - Taiwan (the good China) to defend against the Chinese...

What a bunch of dicks.

The Chinese don't like the North Koreans any more than anyone else likes the N. Koreans. They're having border, defector, and trade issues. However, they might stand behind them (NK) just because the US is on the "other side". They can let the North Koreans screw with the US and reap whatever benefits fall out of it.

If the US thinks they are going to use nukes, the 45 has another thing coming - like mebbe Russian & Chinese nukes in return.
The US will also have to absorb the worlds reaction, not only about going nuclear, but about having indirectly killed several millions of South Korean residents, in a wide band from coast to coast, about fifty miles deep from the DMZ, including Seoul decimated and several industrial zones destroyed. The N.K:army has dug itself deep into the earth just notrth of the DMZ, read to lash out. No way that a US attack can keep them from retaliating. The world economy will take a yuuuge dive. The US economy itself will suffer cause it relies on S.K. products in many ways.
I wonder if anyone has asked the SOUTH Koreans how they feel about getting caught in the crossfire???

A conventional response would require a huge commitment of soldiers to help keep the NKs from screaming over the DMZ - taking way too much time. We're busy elsewhere - especially if the S Koreans decide this isn't their idea/fight.

A conventional air strike I feel would draw the kind of reaction from the North Koreans that you describe. Again, I wonder what the South Koreans think about the decimation of their country to satisfy 45's immature/stupid actions.
PS Installation/Activation of the THAAD doesn't come too soon. THAAD

Then you have some reluctance on the part of the South Koreans visa vis THAAD along with Chinese dipolomatic, propaganda, and economic pressure.
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One of the great problems in the Korean situation - and it's always been a great problem - is that the North Koreans are literally cousins (or perhaps closer relations) to the South Koreans, and there's a definite limit to the damage that South Koreans want their close relations who are north of the line to suffer notwithstanding they are already under the heel of a dangerous dictator.

In any military strike on North Korea, the probable response is bombardment of South Korea (evidently Kim is not so concerned about close relatives) - and possibly bombardment of neighboring non-participants such as Japan, just for spite. There are suppositions that some of this bombardment could be nuclear. However, given a few more years the North Koreans could have such bombardment reach further - even Hawaii or Australia - and more nuclear explosives.

Economic sanctions seem to be ineffective on North Korea, since the labor force is essentially slave labor and they're already accustomed to near-starvation.

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Post by Reeeko » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:58 pm

Fortinbras wrote:One of the great problems in the Korean situation - and it's always been a great problem - is that the North Koreans are literally cousins (or perhaps closer relations) to the South Koreans, and there's a definite limit to the damage that South Koreans want their close relations who are north of the line to suffer notwithstanding they are already under the heel of a dangerous dictator.

In any military strike on North Korea, the probable response is bombardment of South Korea (evidently Kim is not so concerned about close relatives) - and possibly bombardment of neighboring non-participants such as Japan, just for spite. There are suppositions that some of this bombardment could be nuclear. However, given a few more years the North Koreans could have such bombardment reach further - even Hawaii or Australia - and more nuclear explosives.

Economic sanctions seem to be ineffective on North Korea, since the labor force is essentially slave labor and they're already accustomed to near-starvation.

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So the question remains, what are our options for dealing with the DPRK? Do we have the capability of knocking down one or a couple ICBMs fired from there before they reach their targets? If so, and we're comfortable with how effective it is, I suppose that alters the equation a little. But to my mind, them selling a nuke or nukes to Al Qaeda or ISIS is at least as significant a threat. I know we have radiological detection at ports of entry, but it scares the hell out of me that if the terrorists get a nuke, it's only a question of time before they find a way to deliver and use it. We're seriously thinking Ireland or New Zealand are looking better all the time as places to live that are far from nuclear targets.



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Reeeko wrote:
Fortinbras wrote:One of the great problems in the Korean situation - and it's always been a great problem - is that the North Koreans are literally cousins (or perhaps closer relations) to the South Koreans, and there's a definite limit to the damage that South Koreans want their close relations who are north of the line to suffer notwithstanding they are already under the heel of a dangerous dictator.

In any military strike on North Korea, the probable response is bombardment of South Korea (evidently Kim is not so concerned about close relatives) - and possibly bombardment of neighboring non-participants such as Japan, just for spite. There are suppositions that some of this bombardment could be nuclear. However, given a few more years the North Koreans could have such bombardment reach further - even Hawaii or Australia - and more nuclear explosives.

Economic sanctions seem to be ineffective on North Korea, since the labor force is essentially slave labor and they're already accustomed to near-starvation.

Yours truly, Captain Obvious

:snippity:
Do we have the capability of knocking down one or a couple ICBMs fired from there before they reach their targets? If so, and we're comfortable with how effective it is, I suppose that alters the equation a little.
An outsiders view on your question. The US has their newfangled THAAD missiles deployed, so the army believes them to be effective to a point, eg not used in actual war environment. From an article (https://www.defensetech.org/2017/03/18/ ... se-budget/) I take it that they are now a first level of defense followed by two more intercept options. The problem with NK is that they would not just shoot a very limited number of missiles but start an allout war, and then the capacities deployed by the US may reach its limits.
Reeeko wrote:But to my mind, them selling a nuke or nukes to Al Qaeda or ISIS is at least as significant a threat. I know we have radiological detection at ports of entry, but it scares the hell out of me that if the terrorists get a nuke, it's only a question of time before they find a way to deliver and use it. :snippity:
At this time somebody still needs to show me that the current ISIS or AlQaeda groupings have any capabilities to play with nuclear toys. Their leadership is not of the Bin Laden caliber. Especially the ISIS are playing their war games with basic infantery methods, with a few ground based man/manually operated anti-aircraft systems at hand. ISIS just doesn't have the intellectual capacities to handle some sophisticated nuclear warhead. I believe AlQaeda is now also just an outfit running local clan feuds. The way I see these warriors handle their conventional guerilla warfare, as observed on many videos on the web, they would be the first to accidentially detonate a dirty nuclear bomb on themselves. We neither have heard from any nation or group recently trying to aquire nuclear stuff for a dirty bomb, there is no seller (apart maybe old Russian stock in mafia hands). N.Korea needs it scarce products to tinker with it themselves.



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Post by Reeeko » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:59 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Reeeko wrote:
Fortinbras wrote:One of the great problems in the Korean situation - and it's always been a great problem - is that the North Koreans are literally cousins (or perhaps closer relations) to the South Koreans, and there's a definite limit to the damage that South Koreans want their close relations who are north of the line to suffer notwithstanding they are already under the heel of a dangerous dictator.

In any military strike on North Korea, the probable response is bombardment of South Korea (evidently Kim is not so concerned about close relatives) - and possibly bombardment of neighboring non-participants such as Japan, just for spite. There are suppositions that some of this bombardment could be nuclear. However, given a few more years the North Koreans could have such bombardment reach further - even Hawaii or Australia - and more nuclear explosives.

Economic sanctions seem to be ineffective on North Korea, since the labor force is essentially slave labor and they're already accustomed to near-starvation.

Yours truly, Captain Obvious

:snippity:
Do we have the capability of knocking down one or a couple ICBMs fired from there before they reach their targets? If so, and we're comfortable with how effective it is, I suppose that alters the equation a little.
An outsiders view on your question. The US has their newfangled THAAD missiles deployed, so the army believes them to be effective to a point, eg not used in actual war environment. From an article (https://www.defensetech.org/2017/03/18/ ... se-budget/) I take it that they are now a first level of defense followed by two more intercept options. The problem with NK is that they would not just shoot a very limited number of missiles but start an allout war, and then the capacities deployed by the US may reach its limits.
Reeeko wrote:But to my mind, them selling a nuke or nukes to Al Qaeda or ISIS is at least as significant a threat. I know we have radiological detection at ports of entry, but it scares the hell out of me that if the terrorists get a nuke, it's only a question of time before they find a way to deliver and use it. :snippity:
At this time somebody still needs to show me that the current ISIS or AlQaeda groupings have any capabilities to play with nuclear toys. Their leadership is not of the Bin Laden caliber. Especially the ISIS are playing their war games with basic infantery methods, with a few ground based man/manually operated anti-aircraft systems at hand. ISIS just doesn't have the intellectual capacities to handle some sophisticated nuclear warhead. I believe AlQaeda is now also just an outfit running local clan feuds. The way I see these warriors handle their conventional guerilla warfare, as observed on many videos on the web, they would be the first to accidentially detonate a dirty nuclear bomb on themselves. We neither have heard from any nation or group recently trying to aquire nuclear stuff for a dirty bomb, there is no seller (apart maybe old Russian stock in mafia hands). N.Korea needs it sparce products to tinker with it themselves.
Really. It's pretty comical the way they mishandle weapons and waste ammo spraying it all over.



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The current AQ/ISIS quite possibly has the capacity for using chemical weapons such as mustard gas :shock: . Do not underestimate your enemies. :think: :?


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China has rebuffed Donald Trump’s latest Twitter attack after the US president accused Beijing of doing little to help force North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, to abandon his nuclear ambitions.

Speaking in Beijing alongside the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, the Chinese foreign minister, Wang Yi, claimed a responsible China had “devoted a lot of energy and effort over the years” to resolving the North Korean issue.

“The tremendous and important efforts that China has made are visible to all,” he told a press conference, urging all parties, “including our friends from the United States”, to tackle the situation in a cool-headed manner.

Wang made no direct reference to Trump, who has repeatedly used Twitter to criticise China on issues including alleged currency manipulation, climate change and the South China Sea.

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North Korea Tells Trump, Tillertrump, & US to Bugger Off
North Korea has nothing to fear from any U.S. move to broaden sanctions aimed at cutting it off from the global financial system and will pursue "acceleration" of its nuclear and missile programs, a North Korean envoy told Reuters on Tuesday.

This includes developing a "pre-emptive first strike capability" and an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM), said Choe Myong Nam, deputy ambassador at the North Korean mission to the United Nations in Geneva.

Reuters, quoting a senior U.S. official in Washington, reported on Monday that the Trump administration is considering sweeping sanctions as part of a broad review of measures to counter North Korea's nuclear and missile threat. (For Monday's story, click reut.rs/2n9HZ5a)

"I think this is stemming from the visit by the Secretary of State (Rex Tillerson) to Japan, South Korea and China...We of course are not afraid of any act like that," Choe to...
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There are countries that have told Trump to bugger off and there are countries that will.


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SueDB wrote:They [the Chinese] can let the North Koreans screw with the US and reap whatever benefits fall out of it.
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Remember when Trump said Putin would behave himself because he will respect Trump? And we were probably supposed to believe that all the bad guys will behave once Trump is in office - because Trump is such a tough guy and everyone will respect him while the whole world "walked all over Obama".

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N.K. disrespecting Teh Donald (though the rocket failed):
Failed North Korean missile exploded 'within seconds,' US says

By Taehoon Lee and Ben Westcott, CNN
Updated 1018 GMT (1818 HKT) March 22, 2017

Missile was launched near Kalma, on North Korea's east coast
It comes four days after Pyongyang announced it tested a new rocket engine


(CNN)A North Korean missile fired Wednesday exploded "within seconds of launch," according to US Pacific Command.

US officials confirmed North Korea had attempted to launch a missile near Kalma, on the country's east coast, but early reports suggest it failed.
"South Korea and the US are aware of the missile launch and to their knowledge North Korea's missile was not successfully launched," South Korea's Ministry of Defense said in a statement.
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RTH10260 wrote:N.K. disrespecting Teh Donald (though the rocket failed):
Failed North Korean missile exploded 'within seconds,' US says

By Taehoon Lee and Ben Westcott, CNN
Updated 1018 GMT (1818 HKT) March 22, 2017

Missile was launched near Kalma, on North Korea's east coast
It comes four days after Pyongyang announced it tested a new rocket engine


(CNN)A North Korean missile fired Wednesday exploded "within seconds of launch," according to US Pacific Command.

US officials confirmed North Korea had attempted to launch a missile near Kalma, on the country's east coast, but early reports suggest it failed.
"South Korea and the US are aware of the missile launch and to their knowledge North Korea's missile was not successfully launched," South Korea's Ministry of Defense said in a statement.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/21/asia/ ... sile-test/

They only have to get one to work right. Sad.


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Trump: US will act unilaterally on North Korea if necessary

Washington (CNN)US President Donald Trump has declared he would be willing to go it alone to restrain North Korea's nuclear weapons program should China fail to change the situation, saying if Beijing won't help solve it, then "we will" alone.

"China will either decide to help us with North Korea or they won't," Trump said in an interview published Sunday in the Financial Times. "If they do, that will be very good for China, and if they don't, it won't be good for anyone."

Trump's administration has repeatedly emphasized its high concern over the North Korean nuclear threat. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson visited China last month to press North Korea's neighbor for help in mitigating that threat, and Trump is scheduled to host Chinese President Xi Jinping this week in the US, where he intends to bring the issue up. ...

Trump has repeatedly said he would take aggressive action against China to reduce the US trade deficit with the country. But if the talks with Xi don't produce Trump's desired result of getting Beijing to solve the North Korean nuclear problem, Trump said the US would take action.


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