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North Korea is rattling its sabers again.

N.Korea says it has restarted nuclear bomb fuel plants
North Korea on Tuesday said it has restarted operations at its atomic bomb fuel production plants, in a move that pushes Pyongyang further toward a standoff with Washington and its allies.

The secretive state says it is fully ready to use nuclear weapons against the United States "and other hostile forces" at any time if they "persistently seek their reckless hostile policy towards the (North) and behave mischievously."

In state media, the North said its plutonium and highly enriched uranium facilities at the main Nyongbyon nuclear complex had been “rearranged, changed or readjusted and they started normal operation.”

It follows a warning by Pyongyang on Monday that it is ready to launch "satellites" — which the West considers banned long-range missiles — aboard long-range rockets to mark the ruling communist party's anniversary next month.
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A number of things:
(1) US/Western intelligence was able to pick up on NK activities (using satellites, among other things) even before Kim admitted it publicly. This indicates that we can use similar methods to keep an eye on Iranian nuclear projects and not be taken by surprise if they violate the latest "deal".

(2) NK, more than almost any other country, is financially on the ropes. The expense of producing nuclear explosives is probably such a hit on their economy that NK will have an especially strong motivation to sell some of its first nukes for ready cash - selling to whomever has enough millions to pay up front - it could be ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Koch Brothers, etc. NK may well feel this temptation to sell its nukes more keenly than Iran would feel if it were producing nuclear explosives.

(3) Despite CIA and FBI efforts (which included taking nuclear physics textbooks out of college libraries in the early 1950s), the genie cannot be kept inside a bottle. As time passes other countries will manage to join "The Atomic Club". So getting a 10-year delay from Iran is really a very big win for us.
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And who's to say that Pakistan or India haven't palmed one off somewhere. :think:
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Donald Trump, suppressing a grin, steps up to the podium. He takes a sip of water from a glass, clears his throat, and says "I have come here tonight to make a yuuuge annoucement. I, Donald Trump, am now a nuclear power." :shock:
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I am disinclined to think that India would sell a nuke to someone simply because such weapons might get regifted further, and since so many of the potential purchasers are Muslim (either states or terrorist groups) there is a distinct risk that a loose nuke would be used against the Hindu State. Similar logic applies to Israel selling a nuke.

Iran is rich enough (from petroleum) that it wouldn't feel an economic pinch motivating it to sell a nuke, at least not to the degree that North Korea would feel such a pinch. Also, Iran has enough enemies ready to strike at it to discourage it from putting a nuke into a market that includes some of its enemies. North Korea, although mouthy, probably has fewer outright enemies willing to use a nuke against it.
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Fortinbras wrote:Iran is rich enough (from petroleum) that it wouldn't feel an economic pinch motivating it to sell a nuke, at least not to the degree that North Korea would feel such a pinch.
That's certainly a contrarian view. From The Economist:
Yet many of these gains are now at risk because of low oil prices. Although Iran’s economy is less dependent on the black stuff than some others in the region, it still accounts for 42% of government revenues. The latest budget will cut spending by about 11% after inflation, potentially tipping the economy back into recession. Even this looks optimistic: it was initially based on an oil price of $72 a barrel. “It’s not a question of whether the government wants to do business with us,” says a European businessman. “The problem is that they no longer have any money to pay.”

The squeeze on government revenues is setting Mr Rohani on a collision course with Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guards. The military force that underpins Iran’s clerical regime has a sprawling commercial empire. With their control of seaports and multiple land borders, guard commanders have become rich sanctions-busting traders, dabbling in industries from telecoms to banking. When Mr Rohani speaks of the need for “monopolies” to pay their taxes, people know exactly who he means. “It was impossible to make any money,” says Mehrdad, an Iranian-American who recently shut his stationery store in Tehran and moved back to California. “When the Sepah [army] import from China and don’t pay any taxes, well, it makes guys like me unviable.”

American and European energy and banking sanctions continue to hammer business. The optimism that a nuclear deal would soon see sanctions lifted has largely evaporated. Domestic investment has stalled. Several state-owned banks are said to be close to collapse. Efforts to circumvent sanctions have made an already corrupt country worse: Transparency International, a Berlin-based anti-corruption lobby, ranks Iran a lowly 136th out of 175 countries in its index for 2014.
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70th Anniversary for the Ruling Party in NK

Showing off with a huge parade. Clip mearly two hours long. Advise to skip the first 20mins where The Dear Leader holds a speech. Then view and skip the colourful stuff. Something like 120'000 participants in the show.

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Impressive; North Korea truly is Best Korea.
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Sigh. NY Times:
North Korea Announces That It Has Detonated First Hydrogen Bomb

By DAVID E. SANGER JAN. 5, 2016

WASHINGTON — North Korea declared Tuesday night that it had detonated its first hydrogen bomb — a weapon far more powerful than it has set off previously — a claim that, if true, would dramatically escalate the nuclear challenge from one of the world’s most isolated and dangerous states.

In a brief announcement about an hour after seismic detectors around the world picked up a 5.1 magnitude seismic event along the country’s northeast cost, North Korea said that the test had been a “complete success.” But it is difficult to tell whether that boast is true, and it may be weeks or longer before detectors sent aloft by the United States and other powers can determine what kind of test was conducted.

The apparent North Korean test took place at or near the Punggye-ri nuclear test site, where the three previous tests have been conducted over the past nine years. But if the North Korean claim is true, this one was of a of a different nature.

In recent weeks, the North’s aggressive young leader, Kim Jong Un, has boasted that the country has finally developed the technology to build a thermonuclear weapon — far more powerful than the low-yield devices tested first in 2006, then in different configurations months after President Obama took office in 2009 and again in 2013.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world ... -test.html

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It is no secret now that NK has nukes and this latest test doesn't indicate the number as much as the sophistication. NK itself probably is not an immediate threat to anyplace but South Korea - and for that it doesn't need bombers or missiles, it can send in a suitcase bomb. But a nuke exploding in South Korea would be answered by many nukes dropped over North Korea within hours, so for the moment South Korea is safe.

But, as I have said before, North Korea has its back to the wall financially. It is desperate for money. Outfits like ISIS or maybe Syria have money and are eager for nuclear weaponry. Laissez-faire capitalism may lead to Tel Aviv or San Francisco being nuked by a suitcase bomb sometime during the term of President Trump.
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Here she is on State TV, newly uploaded but not subtitled. Statement from the You Tube page follows, don't think it's gotten around yet... Isn't it very Taitzian?



KCTV (DPRK Successful Hydrogen Bomb Test) --주체조선의 첫 수소탄시험 완전성공--
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The DPRK government issued the following statement Wednesday: There took place a world startling event to be specially recorded in the national history spanning 5 000 years in the exciting period when all service personnel and people of the DPRK are making a giant stride, performing eye-catching miracles and exploits day by day after turning out as one in the all-out charge to bring earlier the final victory of the revolutionary cause of Juche, true to the militant appeal of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK). The first H-bomb test was successfully conducted in the DPRK at 10:00 on Wednesday, Juche 105 (2016), pursuant to the strategic determination of the WPK. Through the test conducted with indigenous wisdom, technology and efforts the DPRK fully proved that the technological specifications of the newly developed H-bomb for the purpose of test were accurate and scientifically verified the power of smaller H-bomb. It was confirmed that the H-bomb test conducted in a safe and perfect manner had no adverse impact on the ecological environment. The test means a higher stage of the DPRK's development of nuclear force. By succeeding in the H-bomb test in the most perfect manner to be specially recorded in history the DPRK proudly joined the advanced ranks of nuclear weapons states possessed of even H-bomb and the Korean people came to demonstrate the spirit of the dignified nation equipped with the most powerful nuclear deterrent. This test is a measure for self-defence the DPRK has taken to firmly protect the sovereignty of the country and the vital right of the nation from the ever-growing nuclear threat and blackmail by the U.S.-led hostile forces and to reliably safeguard the peace on the Korean Peninsula and regional security. Since the appearance of the word hostility in the world there has been no precedent of such deep-rooted, harsh and persistent policy as the hostile policy the U.S. has pursued towards the DPRK. The U.S. is a gang of cruel robbers which has worked hard to bring even a nuclear disaster to the DPRK, not content with having imposed the thrice-cursed and unheard-of political isolation, economic blockade and military pressure on it for the mere reason that it has differing ideology and social system and refuses to yield to the former's ambition for aggression. The Korean Peninsula and its vicinity are turning into the world's biggest hotspot where a nuclear war may break out since they have been constantly stormed with all nuclear strike means of the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops, including nuclear carrier strike group and nuclear strategic flying corps. While kicking up all forms of economic sanctions and conspiratorial "human rights" racket against the DPRK with mobilization of the hostile forces, the U.S. has made desperate efforts to block its building of a thriving nation and improvement of the people's living standard and "bring down its social system". The DPRK's access to H-bomb of justice, standing against the U.S., the chieftain of aggression watching for a chance for attack on it with huge nukes of various types, is the legitimate right of a sovereign state for self-defense and a very just step no one can slander. Genuine peace and security cannot be achieved through humiliating solicitation or compromise at the negotiating table. The present-day grim reality clearly proves once again the immutable truth that one's destiny should be defended by one's own efforts. Nothing is more foolish than dropping a hunting gun before herds of ferocious wolves. The spectacular success made by the DPRK in the H-bomb test this time is a great deed of history, a historic event of the national significance as it surely guarantees the eternal future of the nation. The DPRK is a genuine peace-loving state which has made all efforts to protect peace on the Korean Peninsula and security in the region from the U.S. vicious nuclear war scenario. The DPRK, a responsible nuclear weapons state, will neither be the first to use nuclear weapons nor transfer relevant means and technology under any circumstances as already declared as long as the hostile forces for aggression do not encroach upon its sovereignty. There can neither be suspended nuclear development nor nuclear dismantlement on the part of the DPRK unless the U.S. has rolled back its vicious hostile policy toward the former. The army and people of the DPRK will steadily escalate its nuclear deterrence of justice both in quality and quantity to reliably guarantee the future of the revolutionary cause of Juche for all ages. Juche Korea will be prosperous forever as it holds fast to the great WPK's line of simultaneously pushing forward the two fronts.
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North Korea, unable to get any respect any other way, builds weapons. :roll:
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Yep, all kinds of bad actors out there wanting to do the most damage they can do.
Fortinbras wrote:Outfits like ISIS or maybe Syria have money and are eager for nuclear weaponry.
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Looks like North Korea pulled a big hoax. Something exploded, but the White House isn't convinced it was a nuclear bomb.

Maybe they got enough TNT together to simulate the earthquake?
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gatsby wrote:Looks like North Korea pulled a big hoax. Something exploded, but the White House isn't convinced it was a nuclear bomb. Maybe they got enough TNT together to simulate the earthquake?
I heard a fellow on NPR say that rough quantitative estimates suggest that the event's energy was something like 6 kilotons. That'd be a lot of TNT, but would only be a firecracker as nukes go.
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RoadScholar wrote:
gatsby wrote:Looks like North Korea pulled a big hoax. Something exploded, but the White House isn't convinced it was a nuclear bomb. Maybe they got enough TNT together to simulate the earthquake?
I heard a fellow on NPR say that rough quantitative estimates suggest that the event's energy was something like 6 kilotons. That'd be a lot of TNT, but would only be a firecracker as nukes go.
So far, it had about the same seismic information as the 2013 test @7-9 KT eq which was deemed a fission (atom bomb) test.

I don't know if that is enough to sustain a fusion reaction. It could be a hydrogen bomb "fizzle" where the fission portion went off, but the fusion portion didn't.
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gatsby wrote:Looks like North Korea pulled a big hoax. Something exploded, but the White House isn't convinced it was a nuclear bomb.

Maybe they got enough TNT together to simulate the earthquake?
That would be over 6 kilotons of TNT to produce the ~2.5 teraJoules necessary for a 5.1 seismic event (detonating it uniformly would be pretty much impossible, I'm guessing). Far more likely this was an atomic detonation that is being passed off as a nuclear one. The yield would still be about 1/8th of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima or two and a half times of the gravitational potential energy in the Twin Towers.

Added: I suspect that SueDB is right about a "fizzle" (or an outright lie that it was even a H-bomb in the first place).
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Addie wrote:
Fortinbras wrote:Outfits like ISIS or maybe Syria have money and are eager for nuclear weaponry.
ISIS the desert fleas and nukes in the same sentence???

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Slartibartfast wrote:
gatsby wrote:Looks like North Korea pulled a big hoax. Something exploded, but the White House isn't convinced it was a nuclear bomb.

Maybe they got enough TNT together to simulate the earthquake?
That would be over 6 kilotons of TNT to produce the ~2.5 teraJoules necessary for a 5.1 seismic event (detonating it uniformly would be pretty much impossible, I'm guessing). Far more likely this was an atomic detonation that is being passed off as a nuclear one. The yield would still be about 1/8th of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima or two and a half times of the gravitational potential energy in the Twin Towers.

Added: I suspect that SueDB is right about a "fizzle" (or an outright lie that it was even a H-bomb in the first place).
Of course, a "fizzle" would still allow them to crow "We successfully exploded a Hydrogen Bomb!" without, technically, lying.
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North Korea: Virginia student arrested for ‘hostile acts’ while on tour

TOKYO — A University of Virginia student honored as an “intellectual risk-taker” has been arrested in North Korea, its state-run media said Friday, accusing the American of an unspecified “hostile act” against the state.

Otto Frederick Warmbier, 21, was detained Jan. 2 at Pyongyang airport as he prepared to leave after a five-day trip over the New Year’s holiday, said Gareth Johnson of Young Pioneer Tours, the agency that organized the trip.

This was four days before North Korea conducted its latest nuclear test, and makes Warmbier the third Westerner known to be held in North Korea — a move that is certain to elevate already-high tensions with Washington.

But Warmbier’s detention was not made public until Friday, when the official Korean Central News Agency said it was questioning him about taking part in “anti-state activity.”

The brief statement gave no further information about the accusations or the current status of the student.
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The people arrested in North Korea are usually Christian missionaries who are going to save all the heathens. :roll:
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