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BREAKING: U.S. to start talks with Cuba to normalize full diplomatic relations, open embassy. (AP)



This follows earlier news that Cuba has released American contractor after five years. President Obama to hold news conference.

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BREAKING: U.S. to start talks with Cuba to normalize full diplomatic relations, open embassy. (AP)







About damn time.



They should be about ready for replacements for all the 50's US cars. That way they can jump start their economy by selling their old cars to US collectors.



The national auto parts trade groups had better be at the forefront.
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About damn time.



They should be about ready for replacements for all the 50's US cars. That way they can jump start their economy by selling their old cars to US collectors.



The national auto parts trade groups had better be at the forefront.







Now now. They're going to start buying up all our 1960's and 70's muscle cars. Those that haven't rusted out.
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I have always thought that the way to end communism in Cuba would be to normalize relations and then let the subsequent invasion of American culture and tourists overwhelm the island. Communism doesn't stand a chance against American reality TV. ;)



Seriously, we have normal relations with many countries that have different economic systems and that engage in activities we don't like, there is no reason not to do so with Cuba.
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What Volk said.

Cuba is Exhibit A for American foreign policy failure. I can't think of any action we've taken since 1898 that I can be proud of, up until this breaking and tentative gesture of rapprochement.
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How much leeway would President Obama have in this? Ie. would congress have to vote on rescinding sanctions, normalising trade relations, etc., or could Obama do it on his own?

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Whoa, gettin' cozy.



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U.S. and Cuba, in Breakthough, Resume Diplomatic Relations



WASHINGTON — The United States will restore full diplomatic relations with Cuba and open an embassy in Havana for the first time in more than a half-century after the release of an American contractor held in prison for five years, American officials said Wednesday.



In a deal negotiated during 18 months of secret talks hosted largely by Canada and encouraged by Pope Francis, who hosted a final meeting at the Vatican, President Obama and President Raúl Castro of Cuba agreed in a telephone call to put aside decades of hostility to find a new relationship between the United States and the island nation just 90 minutes off the American coast. ...



In addition, the United States will ease restrictions on remittances, travel and banking relations, and Cuba will release 53 Cuban prisoners identified as political prisoners by the United States government. Although the decades-old American embargo on Cuba will remain in place for now, the administration signaled that it would welcome a move by Congress to ease or lift it should lawmakers choose to.



“Today, the United States is taking historic steps to chart a new course in our relations with Cuba and to further engage and empower the Cuban people,” the White House said in a written statement.



President Obama plans to make a televised statement from the White House at noon to discuss the breakthrough, which could shape his legacy heading into his final two years in office.






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Alan Gross: Cuba Releases American After Five Years in Prison

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Gross was convicted of espionage by a Cuban court in 2011 and sentenced to 15 years for bringing telecommunication devices into Cuba while working as a subcontractor for United States Agency for International Development.

The Cuban government accused him of being party to a U.S.-led plot to overthrow the government through an “Arab spring.”

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In return for Gross, the United States has agreed to the humanitarian release of three Cuban agents convicted of espionage in a controversial trial that found them guilty of spying on anti-Castro groups in Miami, but not the U.S. government. All three were most recently held in North Carolina at a federal medical facility for the U.S. Bureau of Prisons.

The humanitarian release is just the beginning of a promised new relationship with Cuba. The White House is indicating the beginning of new talks on everything from travel restrictions to eventual lifting of the Cuban embargo in place since John F. Kennedy was President.

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I've read about vacationing in Cuba during the 40's and 50's. It looked like it could be fun.



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YAAAAY :cheer: for yet another MAJOR change that will add to President Obama's great legacy. This news plus the judge confirmations yesterday make me very very happy :-bd
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Obama: U.S. ending "outdated approach" to Cuba. (AP)

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Putin and Maduro may have heart attacks at this news.
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Well, Putin tried to annex the Ukraine. We can have a go at Cuba again...
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Pass the gold telephone!


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I went to Cuba back in the 1990's. It was nothing like the media portrayed. There was no good reason to keep the embargo other than to appease the Cuban refugees who hated Castro. The Cubans were justifiably proud of what they had accomplished as far as health care and education.



Our treatment of Cuba is another stain on our country's history.



Obama's not running for office again and this will give the GOP something else to choke on. Being a lame duck has a few advantages.

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How are federal prisoners released in a case like this? Via a presidential pardon?

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How are federal prisoners released in a case like this? Via a presidential pardon?





Deported? What usually happens when we trade prisoners with other nations?

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POTUS on embargo: “This policy has been rooted in the best of intentions. It has had little effect.”

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Reactions from members of Congress is split.... and predictable.



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Poor Rubio and Cruz. :-({|=
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More details here on the changes in policy. Only Congress can end the embargo but the executive branch can do these other things.



Ted Cruz must be having one of his fits. Has he renounced his Cuban citizenship yet?

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Only Congress can end the embargo but the executive branch can do these other things.



Lindsey Graham has already vowed to stop any funding of a US embassy in Havanna. And wouldn't a potential ambassador to Cuba have to be confirmed by the Senate? Good luck with that one...



If it wasn't such a serious matter, the RWNJ'ers pavlovian reaction to anything related to Cuba would almost be hilarious.

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Travelers to Cuba may bring back Cuban cigars to United States; telecommunications companies permitted to operate in Cuba. (USA Today)

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Only Congress can end the embargo but the executive branch can do these other things.



Lindsey Graham has already vowed to stop any funding of a US embassy in Havanna. And wouldn't a potential ambassador to Cuba have to be confirmed by the Senate? Good luck with that one...



If it wasn't such a serious matter, the RWNJ'ers pavlovian reaction to anything related to Cuba would almost be hilarious.







I don't understand their opposition. Unless you're a Rubio, with Cuban-American constituents, why oppose it? It makes Graham look dated.

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Finally, we can bring back a damn cigar from Canada!
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