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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:05 pm

Turkey threatens to cancel the Greek-EU migration deal
Turkey has demanded the retrial of eight soldiers who fled to Greece after a failed coup last year.


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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:26 pm

What is Turkey’s problem with Darwin?

Summary: The elimination of the theory of evolution from Turkey's high school textbooks seems to be the latest round in the country's century-old culture war.
Author Mustafa AkyolPosted January 20, 2017

Turkey’s National Education Ministry announced a new curriculum for secondary schools on Jan. 16. A draft of the curriculum will be discussed for a month, the ministry said, and criticisms will be taken into account before the final version is approved. Some aspects of the new curriculum, such as decreasing the amount of homework and allowing more time for play and socializing, seem like good ideas, but as usual, what made the headlines were the changes related to the culture war between Turkey's religious conservatives and secularists. Commentators from the latter camp focused primarily on the life and times of Ataturk, Turkey’s secularist founder, being given less attention. Any secularist with a broad outlook should, however, be concerned about something else: the elimination of the theory of evolution from biology textbooks.

This change appears to be a “reform” based on advice given by Egitim Bir-Sen, a conservative, pro-government education union, to the ministry. Thus, “The Beginning of Life and Evolution,” the only chapter on evolution in the pre-college curriculum, will be excised from high school textbooks. The replacement chapter will be titled “Living Beings and the Environment,” and all references to Darwinian or “neo-Darwinian” theory will be removed. In other words, a Turkish high school graduate will learn nothing about one of the most important scientific theories, the one explaining the diversity of life on Earth as the product of common descent through gradual change and natural selection.

Why is Turkey’s National Education Ministry taking such a dramatic step? The answer is obvious to anyone familiar with Turkey’s culture war: Since the early 2000s, religious conservatives have had the upper hand in Turkey, and their distaste for the theory of evolution is well established. Many of them see the theory as corrosive to religious faith and want to “protect” young generations from such “harmful” ideas.
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Post by June bug » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:31 pm

Regardless of religion, fundamentalism is the same the world over.



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Post by Addie » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:54 am

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Turkey’s President Is Close to Getting What He’s Always Wanted

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk’s statue in the main square of Rize, a small town nestled among tea plantations on Turkey’s Black Sea coast, has been gone since December. Its absence is a powerful symbol of the future.

Rize is the birthplace of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and his critics believe the question of what he really wants is finally clear after 15 years of his rule: To erase the secular state Ataturk rescued from the dismembered Ottoman Empire and recast the republic in his own, equally autocratic yet more Islamist image.

Turkey is changing, said Nabi Avci, a long-time adviser to Erdogan and now minister of culture and tourism, but without any need to destroy Ataturk’s republic or the Turkish democracy that emerged since his death. Avci accused Erdogan’s opponents of forever crying wolf.

“A suit was made for Turkey to fit into at the beginning of the 20th century, but the world has changed a lot since then,” he said, citing the collapse of the former Soviet Union, the Arab Spring and other geopolitical shifts. “We are tailoring a new suit for Turkey.”

Never has answering the riddle of Erdogan’s true goals seemed more urgent. As early as this week he is expected to call an April referendum to approve constitutional changes that would concentrate all executive power in the presidency, abolish the post of prime minister, and give him greater control over judicial appointments.


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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:17 pm

Mass sackings in latest Turkish government purge
The Turkish government has announced close to 5,000 public workers have been stripped of their jobs.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:38 pm

Erdogan launches furious attack on Germany for ‘aiding terrorism’
Turkey’s president has furiously attacked Germany after at least three political rallies due to be held by Turkish ministers in Germany were cancelled by local authorities.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:38 am

U.N. Accuses Turkey of Killing Hundreds of Kurds
By NICK CUMMING-BRUCEMARCH 10, 2017

Top, a satellite photo taken on June 22, 2015, and under it, the same location on July 26, 2016, showing the destruction by Turkish security forces of part of Sur, a district in the city of Diyarbakir, in southeastern Turkey. Credit DigitalGlobe/UNOSAT, via Associated Press

GENEVA — Turkey’s military and police forces have killed hundreds of people during operations against Kurdish rebels in southeastern Turkey, the United Nations said on Friday in a report that listed summary killings, torture, rape and widespread destruction of property among an array of human rights abuses.

The report, by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, details how operations by the Turkish infantry, artillery, tanks and possibly aircraft drove up to half a million people from their homes over a 17-month period from July 2015 to the end of 2016.

Though the report is focused on the conduct of security forces in southeastern Turkey, the 25-page document underscores the deepening alarm of the United Nations over the measures ordered by Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, since a failed coup attempt last July.

The state of emergency Mr. Erdogan imposed after the coup attempt appeared to “target criticism, not terrorism,” Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, said here on Tuesday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/worl ... buses.html



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Post by Hercule Parrot » Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:49 pm

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has described the Dutch as "Nazi remnants and fascists", as a diplomatic row grows over a cancelled rally..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39242707

Erdogan is the Trumpish Turk, or the Turkish Trump, either way a worrying demagogue.....



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Post by YaYa » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:28 am

The Dutch ain't playing. They just dropped the Turkish family affair minister off at the German border.



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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:38 am

YaYa wrote:The Dutch ain't playing. They just dropped the Turkish family affair minister off at the German border.
Dutch police deport Turkish minister to Germany after barring her from consulate in Rotterdam
Published time: 11 Mar, 2017 19:57
Edited time: 12 Mar, 2017 10:30

Turkey’s family affairs minister has been escorted to the Dutch-German border as crowds of Turkish protesters rallied at the consulate in Rotterdam. The minister was earlier prevented from staging a pro-Erdogan rally outside the diplomatic premises.

Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya was detained by the Dutch police at the consulate before being further escorted to Germany, RTL News reported.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte issued a statement, calling the visit of the Turkish minister “irresponsible” and the rhetoric by Turkish authorities “unacceptable.”

“In mutual contact with Turkey, Netherlands has repeatedly made it clear that public order and security in our country should not be compromised,” Rutte said, adding that the Dutch government repeatedly told its Turkish counterparts that Kaya is “not welcome in the Netherlands.”

"Minister Kaya is on her way to Germany, accompanied by police. Her car is being driven back. This also applies to her guards and employees," Rotterdam’s mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb told news agency NOS.

In a televised statement, Aboutaleb accused Turkish officials at the general consulate of “misleading” him on the forthcoming visit of Kaya. The mayor claimed that the Turkish consul general told him nothing had been planned for that day in the consulate.

“He outright lied,” Aboutaleb said, adding that he was also offended by the comparison of the Dutch authorities with fascists, made earlier by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

“He forgets I’m the mayor of Rotterdam, which was bombed by the Nazis,” Aboutaleb said
https://www.rt.com/news/380330-turkish- ... ed-police/



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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:44 pm

Turkey on the way to detach itself from the European sphere
Turkey Says It Will Suspend High-Level Diplomatic Ties With Netherlands
This recent action deepens the row between the two NATO allies.

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey said on Monday it would suspend high-level diplomatic relations with the Netherlands after Dutch authorities prevented Turkish ministers from speaking at rallies of expatriate Turks, deepening the row between the two NATO allies.

Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus, the government’s chief spokesman, also said Ankara might re-evaluate its deal with the European Union to halt the flow of migrants from Turkish shores to Europe.

“We are doing exactly what they did to us. We are not allowing planes carrying Dutch diplomats or envoys from landing in Turkey or using our airspace,” Kurtulmus told a news conference. “Those creating this crisis are responsible for fixing it.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tur ... 8c7f126903



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Post by Hercule Parrot » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:29 pm

RTH10260 wrote:Turkey on the way to detach itself from the European sphere
They were never attached to start with. Admitting Turkey to full EU membership has been a ongoing debate for >10yrs in Europe, and for a time there was a modern, secular leadership in Ankara which wanted that. Erdogan is destroying all the progress achieved, by reverting to bully-boy fascist behaviour. Wonder if Putin will embrace them instead now?



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Post by Volkonski » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:20 pm

Erdogan is unhinged. What can Turkey possibly gain from this dispute with the Netherlands?

Erdogan attacks Dutch over Srebrenica as tensions escalate

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/europe/er ... rebrenica/
Turkey's president has accused the Dutch of being responsible for the biggest massacre in Europe since World War II in remarks that will escalate tensions further between the two countries.

With high-level diplomatic relations between Turkey and the Netherlands already frozen, Recep Tayyip Erdogan blamed the Dutch for failing to prevent the killing of 8,000 Bosnian Muslims when Bosnian Serb forces overran the town in 1995.

In a reference to Dutch United Nations peacekeepers who were on the ground and failed to prevent the mass killing, Erdogan said Tuesday: "We know the Dutch and the people in Holland from the massacre of Srebrenica. We know them, how they massacred people in Srebrenica full well. We don't need anyone to give us a lesson on civilization."


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:02 am

Turkey Prepares for Negotiations with Assad

and the US is not part of the deal

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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:07 pm

NMgirl wrote:Turkey is deporting Dutch cows.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... D=ref_fark
To their own downfall, eliminating best European breeds.



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Post by kate520 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:52 pm

:shock:

Is the world going completely nuts? Seriously, this sounds like a Monty Python skit.
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:05 pm

Pro-government columnist says Turkey should bomb Pennsylvania to kill Gülen

Fatih Tezcan, a pro-government public speaker and columnist, said in a video message he posted on social media on Saturday that Turkey should bomb Pennsylvania to kill Turkish-Islamic scholar Fethullah Gülen and the people in his close circle.
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Post by Notorial Dissent » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:42 am

Such a wonderfully rational stable gov't they have now, almost like ours in fact.


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Post by Addie » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:08 am

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Istanbul: A city divided ahead of Turkey referendum

Istanbul (CNN) Turkish voters will cast their ballots on Sunday in a referendum that could radically alter the way the country is governed.

If Turkey backs the referendum, the country's parliamentary system will turn into a presidential one, effectively consolidating the power of its legislative bodies into one executive branch with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as its primary executor.

Significantly, it would also allow Erdogan -- who served as Prime Minister from 2003 to 2014 before becoming President -- to stay in office until 2029.

Those opposing the vote say the proposed constitutional changes give carte blanche to a President already pushing the boundaries of his power. ...

Erdogan has displayed an increasingly authoritarian streak since a failed coup attempt in 2016, which led to an intense crackdown that has prompted the arrests of 47,155 government critics, academics, journalists, military officials and civil servants.


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Post by Addie » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:20 am

That Chuck Schumer, he's such a rebel :P

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Turkey probes senator, ex-CIA director over links to cleric

ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkey's state-run news agency says the Istanbul chief prosecutor's office has launched an investigation into 17 U.S.-based individuals, including Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara and ex-CIA director John Brennan, for their alleged links to cleric Fethullah Gulen.

Anadolu Agency says Saturday the probe was launched after a group of Turkish lawyers filed a criminal complaint.

It said the prosecutor's office would investigate their links to Gulen's movement, in a step that could lead to charges of attempting to overthrow the Turkish government and membership in a terror organization.

Turkey accuses Gulen, who is based in Pennsylvania, of orchestrating last summer's failed coup and has designated his movement as a terror organization. Gulen denies involvement.


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Post by Addie » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:38 pm

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Erdogan Holds Narrow Lead as Turkish Vote Counting Nears Close

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan held a narrow lead as vote-counting for a referendum to increase his powers drew to a close. An approval of the proposal to centralize power in Erdogan’s hands would be the most radical shake-up since the republic was formed 93 years ago.

With 97 percent of ballot boxes opened, the "yes" votes had a 51.4 percent to 48.6 percent lead. The result was in line with opinion polls this month showed the referendum was too close to predict after campaigning that divided Turks and damaged ties with the European Union. Erdogan says the broader authorities are necessary to stabilize Turkey and quicken decision-making at a time of political and economic turmoil.

The ballots included no question, only a slip of paper reading “yes" on a white background on one side and “no" on a brown background on the other, with voters required to mark their preference with a stamp. Majorities in the nation’s three largest cities - Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir - opposed the changes with nearly all the votes accounted for.

“Whatever the outcome, there won’t be a respite from the growing authoritarianism” of Erdogan, said Wolfango Piccoli, the London-based co-president of political risk advisory Teneo Intelligence.


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Post by Addie » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:25 pm

:dazed:

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White House: Trump’s call to Erdogan wasn’t an endorsement of referendum results

President Donald Trump’s call congratulating Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on the referendum vote consolidating his power was not necessarily an endorsement or acceptance of the results, the White House said Tuesday.

The outcome of the vote, which would amend Turkey’s constitution to grant the country’s autocratic president significantly more power, is being contested, and Trump surprised some in Washington on Monday when the White House said he had called Erdogan to congratulate him. Experts and other American leaders, including some Republicans, have responded to the vote by framing it as hugely damaging to democracy in Turkey.

Speaking with reporters aboard Air Force One en route to Wisconsin on Tuesday, principal deputy White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders seemed to try to reframe the call, saying that Trump’s “bigger point and priority” with the call was to “talk about shared interests as a NATO ally and a partner there.” ...

She also denied that the call means that Trump accepts the vote’s results. The commission that reviews them, she said, should do so.

“We want the commission that looks at those to do their job and to do a report on the election results,” Sanders said. “But the purpose of the call was to congratulate him but also primarily to talk about some of their shared interests, like Syria, primarily.”


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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:44 pm

Addie wrote::dazed:

Politico
White House: Trump’s call to Erdogan wasn’t an endorsement of referendum results
:snippity:
or as seen by Esquire:
President* Trump Just Placed America in Interesting Company
Saudi Arabia. Azerbaijan. The United States.


Trump joins a short list of leaders who have openly congratulated Erdogan, including Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Saudi King Salman.
What a bunch. Let's have them all go bowling and, if they lose, they can behead the guy who rents the shoes.

The Turkish election was an act of democratic euthanasia. Turkey's democracy was on life support and the election, which almost assuredly was as crooked as a dog's hind leg, was the way the country pulled the plug.
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Post by TollandRCR » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:53 am

I wonder if Trump consulted anyone before placing that call.

Has the Vinson and her fleet turned again and is now heading to Turkey?
Edit: Seriously, the adults in this administration need to be taking control away from the conman-in-chief.


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