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Post by RTH10260 » Sat May 12, 2018 4:58 pm

There was a reason why the US preferred flat desert land of Nevada for their tests. Though N.Korea used their tunnels too to hide their research activities.



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Post by Volkonski » Sat May 12, 2018 5:08 pm

On U.S.-North Korea Talks, China May Hold the Cards

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/worl ... tw-nytimes
Footage of China’s president, Xi Jinping, hosting Mr. Kim this week plays in a loop on a big outdoor screen here in the city of Dandong, and residents are eager for cross-border trade to resume as sanctions on North Korea are eased. Traders say they are putting in advance orders for coal from North Korean suppliers. Some exporters are already smuggling goods across the border.

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The Trump administration insists it will maintain its campaign of “maximum pressure” on the North until Mr. Kim has shown “substantial dismantlement” of his nuclear arsenal. But the buoyant mood in Dandong is a reminder that China, as North Korea’s main trade partner, can decide how strictly to enforce the international sanctions against it.

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For one thing, its leverage over sanctions enforcement means its view on the main issues — the method and pace of denuclearization — will carry weight with both North Korea and the United States. Beyond that, it sees the prospect of progress toward a longstanding security goal: the withdrawal of United States troops from the Korean Peninsula.

While he has emphasized the importance of moving quickly, President Moon Jae-in of South Korea has also endorsed an “action for action” approach to denuclearization, putting his position closer to that of China and North Korea than of the United States. The joint declaration issued after his summit meeting with Mr. Kim last month set no deadline for denuclearization, suggesting the diplomatic momentum is already shifting toward a phased approach.
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Post by RTH10260 » Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm

North Korea to dismantle nuclear site ahead of Trump-Kim summit
12 MAY 2018 • 4:18PM

North Korea has announced it will hold a ceremony in late May for the dismantling of its nuclear test site.

The country’s central news agency said tunnels will be collapsed with explosions, blocking entrances, while observation facilities, research buildings and security posts will be closed.

The event, which journalists across the world including from America and South Korea will be invited to cover, will take place between May 23 and May 25, depending on weather.

The news came as Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state, said America was prepared to help the regime boom economically if it denuclearises.

The developments precede Donald Trump’s historic meeting with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, scheduled for June 12 in Singapore.

David Beasley, executive director of the UN’s World Food Programme, said on Saturday that he believed North Korean leaders wanted change after a four-day visit to the country.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... im-summit/



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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun May 13, 2018 5:03 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm
North Korea to dismantle nuclear site ahead of Trump-Kim summit
12 MAY 2018 • 4:18PM

North Korea has announced it will hold a ceremony in late May for the dismantling of its nuclear test site.

The country’s central news agency said tunnels will be collapsed with explosions, blocking entrances, while observation facilities, research buildings and security posts will be closed.

The event, which journalists across the world including from America and South Korea will be invited to cover, will take place between May 23 and May 25, depending on weather.

The news came as Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state, said America was prepared to help the regime boom economically if it denuclearises.

The developments precede Donald Trump’s historic meeting with Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, scheduled for June 12 in Singapore.

David Beasley, executive director of the UN’s World Food Programme, said on Saturday that he believed North Korean leaders wanted change after a four-day visit to the country.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... im-summit/
Considering a mountain just caved in on top of it, that shouldn't take too much work.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun May 13, 2018 5:29 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 5:03 pm
RTH10260 wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm
North Korea to dismantle nuclear site ahead of Trump-Kim summit
12 MAY 2018 • 4:18PM

North Korea has announced it will hold a ceremony in late May for the dismantling of its nuclear test site.
:snippity:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... im-summit/
Considering a mountain just caved in on top of it, that shouldn't take too much work.
A nice side effect for getting all the praise for stopping an already defunct nuclear research site is that no international observers will ever get a glimpse of what N.Korean sicentists did in the mountain.



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Post by RVInit » Sun May 13, 2018 6:52 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 5:29 pm
Slim Cognito wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 5:03 pm
RTH10260 wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 4:02 pm
Considering a mountain just caved in on top of it, that shouldn't take too much work.
A nice side effect for getting all the praise for stopping an already defunct nuclear research site is that no international observers will ever get a glimpse of what N.Korean sicentists did in the mountain.
:yeah: Exactly.

Geez-o-Pete. :brickwallsmall: Kim Jong Un is indeed on top of the world now. :brickwallsmall:


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Post by Addie » Tue May 15, 2018 3:48 pm

Reuters
North Korea suspends talks with South over military exercises

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - North Korea said it was suspending high-level talks with South Korea scheduled for later in the day on Wednesday due to U.S.-South Korean military exercises that it said went against the trend of warming North-South ties.

North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency also cast doubt on whether next month’s summit between North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and U.S. President Donald Trump could go ahead as planned, South Korea’s Yonhap news agency reported.

“This exercise, targeting us, which is being carried out across South Korea, is a flagrant challenge to the Panmunjom Declaration and an intentional military provocation running counter to the positive political development on the Korean Peninsula,” Yonhap quoted KCNA as saying.

“The United States will also have to undertake careful deliberations about the fate of the planned North Korea-U.S. summit in light of this provocative military ruckus jointly conducted with the South Korean authorities.”
Adding:
WaPo: North Korea threatens to cancel summit with Trump over military drills
BBC News: N Korea cancels talks with South Korea and warns US


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Post by Volkonski » Tue May 15, 2018 3:53 pm

Trump might not need to clear off space on his mantle for that Nobel Prize. ;)


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Post by Suranis » Tue May 15, 2018 4:08 pm

Oh no someone is using the Trump art of the Deal techniques on Trump (not the bullshit in the book someone else wrote, Trumps REAL Tactics.)

Flounce off before the actual meeting so the other side will run after you and beg you to stay and actually come to the meeting, therefore be the guy on top at the start of the discussion. Trump did the same shit before the DACA talks before Meetings the Dems, titting that there could be no deal on DACA, with the result that the Dems cancelled the meeting. It does not work so well when the other side are not a small company desperate for business.


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Post by Kendra » Tue May 15, 2018 4:38 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 3:53 pm
Trump might not need to clear off space on his mantle for that Nobel Prize. ;)
No more excuses that he's too busy preparing for the NK summit, amiright?



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue May 15, 2018 5:04 pm



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You were caught off guard? By Kim Jong Un? You didn't see this coming? Really? You were actually shocked that he's JUST FUCKING WITH YOU?

Way to go, Genius.


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Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

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Post by Suranis » Tue May 15, 2018 5:49 pm

MORUS's sense of timing is extraordinary. Get this twit before its deleted


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Post by Hektor » Tue May 15, 2018 5:58 pm

Oh goody. The Orange one had and for that matter still has his eyes on a Nobel Peace Prize. He'd deserve it, you know... show those fake news people and all the haters what's what. And Kim Jong-Un knows this (and for that matter so does Beijing and Moscow). Which is why I am afraid what else President Trump will give up on a whim just to keep the talks happening.



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue May 15, 2018 6:22 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 5:04 pm
https:// mobile.twitter.com/joshtpm/status/996481338374086656

Josh Marshall @joshtpm
White House official says they were "caught off guard"

3:03 PM - May 15, 2018

https:// mobile.twitter.com/Stonekettle/status/996482438539988992


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You were caught off guard? By Kim Jong Un? You didn't see this coming? Really? You were actually shocked that he's JUST FUCKING WITH YOU?

Way to go, Genius.
WH caught off guard? No surprize there. A White House cooperating with the State Department (crippled on staffing) would have heard from their ambassador in S.Korea (position vacant since January 20, 2017) that such a drill would be inopportune at the moment. Better advise the military to postpone for a couple of months even though much planning and disposition of resources went into the event. :brickwallsmall:



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Post by vic » Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 pm

It looks like Bolton and DOTUS are playing bad cop slightly less bad cop.
US President Donald Trump says the so-called "Libya model" for denuclearisation is not being pursued with North Korea.



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Post by Hektor » Thu May 17, 2018 6:13 pm

I'm pretty sure it's the "not anything that could possibly be called a model" that is being pursued here.



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Post by HST's Ghost » Thu May 17, 2018 9:16 pm

As Trump dithers implements his Vision of "We'll see what happens..." (How many times has he said that about important issues?), other nations are looking out for themselves.
India looks to enhance ties with North Korea with ministerial visit
- Indian Minister of State for External Affairs VK Singh arrived in Pyongyang this week in the first high-level visit from the Asian giant to the rogue state in nearly two decades.
- "Now that the environment around North Korea is changing, India may feel like it's an opportune moment to reach out, perhaps in potential anticipation of the country opening up," said Harsh Pant of the Observer Research Foundation.
...
Despite some hiccups in international efforts to restrict North Korea's nuclear weapons — Kim Jong Un's administration on Wednesday threatened to withdraw from a June 12 meeting with President Donald Trump — tensions on the Korean Peninsula have greatly subsided from last year's regular missile launches.

And now that the White House is reaching out to Kim — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo over the weekend mentioned the potential for private investment in the underdeveloped state — New Delhi likely wants to follow suit.

"The visit may have been spurred by the recent developments in U.S.-North Korea relations," said Amit Cowshish, a former advisor at the Indian Ministry of Defense and current partner with law firm Dua Associates.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/17/indian- ... korea.html
While Trump is being given some credit, India is not going to wait on "full denuclearization" to restart relations and trade, and it more evinces the legitimization of the regime that Kim sought.


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Post by RVInit » Fri May 18, 2018 11:56 am

IMO it's likely that the only thing Trump will have accomplished is giving this North Korean leader exactly what he and past leaders have wanted - recognition of legitimacy.
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By the end of this maladministration, the world stage will be a vastly different place and the US position on that stage will be largely diminished. The rest of the world would be absolute fools not to take full advantage of Trump's willingness to make America insignificant again. They are showing themselves not be that foolish, pretty much every last one of them.


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Post by Sam the Centipede » Fri May 18, 2018 11:23 pm

Most countries' leaders understand, I am sure, that North Korea's rulers would be insane to give up nuclear weapons. Kim and others have seen that the West will destabilize and invade countries which never had or have given up their nuclear weapons (such ad Libya), but the West fears those that possess them.

This is not the Mutually Assured Destruction variant of deterrence theories; it's a "stay off our lawn or it could get very messy" deterrent.

So although other countries would prefer that North Korea didn't have nuclear weapons, they also understand that those are largely irrelevant except in the context of deterring invasion. So why not try to improve political and trading relations?

But would Trump understand that? Does Trump understand anything? No, he'll see it as a pissing contest.



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Post by HST's Ghost » Sat May 19, 2018 9:36 am

Trump understands military, so of course throw an Admiral into the middle of this mess:
Trump finally announces his pick for ambassador to South Korea — right in the nick of time
He’s the top military official in the Pacific — and a big China hawk.

Seventeen months into his presidency, Donald Trump has finally announced his intention to nominate a US ambassador to South Korea. With just under a month before a planned summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, it’s about time.

Late Friday afternoon, the White House issued a statement naming Adm. Harry Harris as Trump’s pick to be the ambassador to South Korea. Harris, a Naval officer, is currently the commander of US Pacific Command and had already planned to retire from the military this month.

Harris is widely respected in Congress and, barring some unforeseen circumstance, would likely fly through a Senate confirmation. Indeed, Trump had already nominated Harris to be US ambassador to Australia in February, but his Senate confirmation hearing in April was suddenly postponed at the request of the White House. As CNN reported at the time, sources said this was because Secretary of State Mike Pompeo had proposed switching him to US ambassador to South Korea instead.

If Harris is able to get confirmed quickly, Harris could possibly be in place before Trump attends the June 12 meeting in Singapore with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. That’s really important: Harris will be one of Trump’s top advisers on the situation on the Korean Peninsula, serving as an interlocutor between Washington, Seoul, and Pyongyang. Harris could serve as a crucial administration voice on any future diplomatic agreements with North Korea.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/18/17370118/ ... orth-korea
Harry Harris? OK. Post Fat Leonard scandal, but they did have some ship problems over the past few years...


And this seems logical, NorKor maneuvering according to the Russia/China playbook
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1/3 Something I've not seen much mention of in the discussions over North Korea recently is the China/ Russia joint proposal of last July
http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/new ... id/2807662

2/3 So far DPRK seem to be following this playbook voluntarily freezing nuke& missiles tests. Whilst there are many factors to consider it's important to look at the current situation from the perspective of this proposal, especially given Kim & Xi have met twice in short period

3/3 Although DPRK distaste of joint military exercises is not new, citing Max Thunder as a reason for the cancellation of ROK/DPRK high level meeting North Korea have strengthened the link between this summit process, any possible negotiations and the joint exercises
My plebeian brain has had the sense that the cancellation of exercises was is and will be the major sticking point. Will Orange Julius cave? Will the military let him? "Just cancel one...for Ivanka!"


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sat May 19, 2018 9:58 am

RVInit wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 11:56 am
IMO it's likely that the only thing Trump will have accomplished is giving this North Korean leader exactly what he and past leaders have wanted - recognition of legitimacy.
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By the end of this maladministration, the world stage will be a vastly different place and the US position on that stage will be largely diminished. The rest of the world would be absolute fools not to take full advantage of Trump's willingness to make America insignificant again. They are showing themselves not be that foolish, pretty much every last one of them.
Getting nuclear weapons may be a rational choice for Kim, but in the getting there has seemed bizarre. Rather than quietly proceeding to develop nukes and their delivery ststems so that one day it was a fait accomplit, Kim pretty much trumpeted everything he was doing and shoved it in everyone else's face. Generally not a rational act, but here I suspect the trumpeting was done for domestic consumption.



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Post by HST's Ghost » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:22 pm

Kim made the letter this size on purpose, right?

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So, photo-op for the NorKor regime, letter unread but summit is back on...and those military exercises...?


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Post by AndyinPA » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:54 pm

Rachel's first section was about this man. He should be nowhere near the White House, forget the oval office! And I think she said he was on a list to not be allowed into the country.

Isn't there anybody in this White House that knows anything? Don't people get vetted? What the hell is wrong with the people running this government? :brickwallsmall:



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