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Post by neeneko » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:02 am

gupwalla wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:04 am
UK and NATO response is shaping up along the lines of calling out Russia as a "state sponsor of terrorism" for using a weapon of mass destruction on foreign soil.

We never did get around to revoking that AUMF, did we? Things are going to get very interesting over the next few days and weeks. Interesting in ways that are very hard on my liver.
I suspect they are actually going to be pretty dull. Even with the increased publicity, it sounds like the UK has been unwilling to do much about this for years. So they might expel some diplomats like Obama did, but otherwise it will likely fade into the background with nothing more dramatic.



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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:29 pm

neeneko wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:02 am
gupwalla wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:04 am
UK and NATO response is shaping up along the lines of calling out Russia as a "state sponsor of terrorism" for using a weapon of mass destruction on foreign soil.

We never did get around to revoking that AUMF, did we? Things are going to get very interesting over the next few days and weeks. Interesting in ways that are very hard on my liver.
I suspect they are actually going to be pretty dull. Even with the increased publicity, it sounds like the UK has been unwilling to do much about this for years. So they might expel some diplomats like Obama did, but otherwise it will likely fade into the background with nothing more dramatic.
Without real hard evidence a state's reaction is tricky. In the unlikely event they happen to find a broken vial or other container for the nasty stuff and could prove its origin to Eastern Europe they may have a case. I guess a couple of weeks more waiting for the investigation to progress could pinpoint the image of some suspect. The UK has a fairly large CCTV coverage of public space (yes, 1984 is real for them), seems to be continous in the area of the attack and the nearest airports.



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Post by neeneko » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:52 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:29 pm
Without real hard evidence a state's reaction is tricky. In the unlikely event they happen to find a broken vial or other container for the nasty stuff and could prove its origin to Eastern Europe they may have a case. I guess a couple of weeks more waiting for the investigation to progress could pinpoint the image of some suspect. The UK has a fairly large CCTV coverage of public space (yes, 1984 is real for them), seems to be continous in the area of the attack and the nearest airports.
Not sure I agree. Nations probably should have nice solid evidence before taking actions on other nations, but historically that has never been much of a priority.



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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:56 pm

neeneko wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:52 pm
RTH10260 wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:29 pm
Without real hard evidence a state's reaction is tricky. In the unlikely event they happen to find a broken vial or other container for the nasty stuff and could prove its origin to Eastern Europe they may have a case. I guess a couple of weeks more waiting for the investigation to progress could pinpoint the image of some suspect. The UK has a fairly large CCTV coverage of public space (yes, 1984 is real for them), seems to be continous in the area of the attack and the nearest airports.
Not sure I agree. Nations probably should have nice solid evidence before taking actions on other nations, but historically that has never been much of a priority.
With hard evidence one calls the own ambassador back "for consultations" and suggests the other countrries ambassador take some time off at home with his family.



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Post by Addie » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:11 pm

The Guardian
Luke Harding picks five books that expose the secret world of spies

From insights into the Russian spy agency Sergei Skripal worked for, to a candid account from Stalin’s assassinations director – these books take you inside the closed world of espionage

A man’s agonising scream is filmed. He is tied to a metal stretcher and is fed, alive, into the crematorium of the GRU, Russia’s military spy agency. His crime? Betrayal of the motherland. The victim? A colonel who “deceived us”. The video – shown to new recruits – features in the opening chapter of Aquarium, a novel by the Russian writer Viktor Suvorov.

Suvorov was himself a GRU operative. He defected in the 1970s and lives in the UK. Another GRU officer was Sergei Skripal, who was poisoned last week with his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury. Aquarium is a classic of spy literature, part bildingsroman and part insider account of an organisation famed for its brutishness and fanatical secrecy.

None of Putin’s spy chiefs have written memoirs. One imagines it will be several decades before they do. In the meantime there is Pavel Sudoplatov, Stalin’s assassinations director, who gives a candid account of his profession in Special Tasks, published in 1994. Sudoplatov explains how he organised the murder of the state’s enemies, including a Ukrainian nationalist (done personally with exploding chocolates) and Trotsky (killed with that ice-pick).

Sudoplatov justified these exotic crimes on the grounds of Leninist ethics: morality was what served the party. Later he regretted that communism chewed up so many innocents, observing: “Victorious Russian rulers have always combined the qualities of statesmen and criminals.”


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:37 am

Counter-terror police launch murder investigation after confirming Russian exile Nikolai Glushkov strangled

Nikolai Glushkov was found dead at home - he had been strangled

Martin Evans, crime correspondent Hayley Dixon
17 MARCH 2018 • 4:34AM

A fierce critic of Vladimir Putin, who was found dead at his south London home earlier this week, was murdered, police have said, amid fears of a second Russia-sponsored attack on British soil.

Businessman, Nikolai Glushkov, 68, who was granted asylum in the UK after fleeing Moscow in 2006, was strangled to death, Scotland Yard has confirmed.

The former right-hand man of deceased oligarch, Boris Berezovsky, his death came just over a week after Russian spy, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter, Yulia, were poisoned by a nerve agent in Salisbury.

The former boss of the state airline Aeroflot, Mr Glushkov had told friends he feared he was on a Kremlin hit-list.

Wish suspicion falling again on Moscow, police have reportedly started contacting a number of Russian exiles to discuss their safety.


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Post by Kendra » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:45 am

http://abcnews.go.com/International/rus ... d=53832515
:snippity: Former Russian spy Sergey Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, were found slumped over, unconscious on a park bench earlier this month in the southern English town of Salisbury. The U.K. has accused Russia of bearing responsibility for the March 4 attack, which British officials say involved a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed secretly by Russia.

U.K. officials now have a clearer picture of just how the attack was conducted, sources said. They believe the toxin was used in a dust-like powdered form and that it circulated through the vents of Skripal's BMW. :snippity:



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Post by Addie » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:34 pm

CBS News
ESP: Inside the government's secret program of psychic spies ...

It sounds incredible, but it's true. Relying on now-declassified documents, Jacobsen has written about the U.S. government's decades-long to attempts to use Uri Geller, and others like him, for psychic espionage.

"It's sort of like a highly-classified black program inside of a black program," Jacobsen said. "One, because you don't want the Russians or the Chinese to know what we are doing; and two, because a lot of scientists didn't want their colleagues to know what they were doing, because of the embarrassment factor."

And there had long been reports, said Jacobsen, that the Kremlin was also experimenting with ways to weaponize people with ESP.

"There's a declassified report that talks about the Pentagon's real fear -- citing Uri Geller by name -- that if he was able to bend metal with his mind, he might be able to use his mind to interfere with the delicate electronic systems on a nuclear-tipped ICBM," Jacobsen said. ...

Still, that didn't stop the government experiments. In the 1980s, the Defense Intelligence Agency began "Project Star Gate," which was, according to Dean Radin, a scientist who worked on the program, top secret. "It's actually beyond top secret."

The program employed about a dozen psychics and mediums. Its aim: espionage.


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:03 pm

Spy poisoning: Highest amount of nerve agent was on door
28 March 2018

Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33 were poisoned by a nerve agent called Novichok
A Russian ex-spy and his daughter first came into contact with the nerve agent that poisoned them at their home, police have said
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The highest concentration of the agent used against Sergei and Yulia Skripal was found on their front door.

The pair were found collapsed on a bench in Salisbury on 4 March and remain in a critical condition.

Police said inquiries would focus on their home address in Christie Miller Road but the risk to locals was low.

Traces of the nerve agent had been found at some of the other sites in the city, but they were at lower concentrations.

Security correspondent Gordon Corera said the highest concentration was found on the Skripals' door handle, and could have been administered through a "gloopy substance which could have been smeared on to that door handle".

He added it would explain why the nerve agent may have been found on the Skripals' car - which has been taken by police - or the restaurant in which they had eaten which has been cordoned off by detectives.


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:07 pm

Russian spy: Yulia Skripal 'conscious and talking'

Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33 were poisoned by a nerve agent called Novichok

Yulia Skripal, the daughter of ex-spy Sergei Skripal, is improving rapidly and no longer in a critical condition, says the hospital treating her.

She and her father were admitted nearly four weeks ago after being exposed to a nerve agent in Salisbury.

The BBC understands from separate sources that Ms Skripal is conscious and talking.

However Mr Skripal remains in a critical but stable condition, Salisbury District Hospital said.

Doctors said Ms Skripal, "has responded well to treatment but continues to receive expert clinical care 24 hours a day".

"I want to take this opportunity to once again thank the staff of Salisbury District Hospital for delivering such high quality care to these patients over the last few weeks," said Dr Christine Blanshard, Medical Director for Salisbury District Hospital.


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Post by gupwalla » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:44 pm

Addie wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:34 pm
"There's a declassified report that talks about the Pentagon's real fear -- citing Uri Geller by name -- that if he was able to bend metal with his mind, he might be able to use his mind to interfere with the delicate electronic systems on a nuclear-tipped ICBM," Jacobsen said. ...
Some days I'm just embarrassed.


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Post by Addie » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:55 am

NBC News
Russian ex-spy says he was on Kremlin 'hit list' along with poisoned Skripal

LONDON — The former Russian double agent got a terrifying message on his birthday: He was on a Kremlin hit list along with Sergei Skripal, another ex-spy who weeks later was poisoned with a nerve agent in a case Britain blames on Vladimir Putin's government.

"Be careful, look around, something is probably going to happen,'" the former agent, Boris Karpichkov, says an old friend told him on the telephone in mid-February. "It's very serious, and you are not alone."

Among the names on the list was that of Skripal, whom Karpichkov didn't know at the time but whose poisoning alongside his daughter, Yulia, on March 4 on British soil inflamed tensions between the Kremlin and the West and triggered international condemnation. The two are in a hospital in Britain, where Skripal is in critical condition. Yulia is "improving rapidly" and is no longer in critical condition, the hospital treating the pair said Thursday.

Also on the Kremlin's list, he says, were several other ex-KGB agents, as well as Christopher Steele, author of a 35-page dossier alleging collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Bill Browder, the driving force behind a set of U.S. sanctions against Russian individuals known as the Magnitsky Act, was there as well, he adds. ...

Karpichkov, 59, says that at first he thought the call was a joke rather than a threat — typically dark Russian humor. But Skripal's poisoning has put him on high alert. “Trademark FSB,” he says, referring to Russia’s security agency, the Federal Security Service, the successor to the Soviet-era KGB. NBC News interviewed Karpichkov over the weekend at a rented studio in London; he refused to say where he lives in the U.K.


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:21 pm

Poisoned Door Handle Hints at High-Level Plot to Kill Spy, U.K. Officials Say
By ELLEN BARRY and DAVID E. SANGERAPRIL 1, 2018

LONDON — British officials investigating the poisoning of Sergei V. Skripal, a former Russian double agent, believe it is likely that an assassin smeared a nerve agent on the door handle at his home. This operation is seen as so risky and sensitive that it is unlikely to have been undertaken without approval from the Kremlin, according to officials who have been briefed on the early findings of the inquiry.

This theory suggests that an assassin, who Britain believes was working on behalf of the Russian government, walked up to the door of Mr. Skripal’s brick home on a quiet street in Salisbury on March 4, the day that he and his daughter, Yulia, were sickened.

Mr. Skripal, who was freed in a spy swap with the United States in 2010, is still in critical condition and unresponsive, but Yulia is conscious and talking, according to a BBC report.

Because the nerve agent is so potent, the officials said, the task could have been carried out only by trained professionals familiar with chemical weapons. British and American officials are skeptical that independent actors could have carried out such a risky operation or obtained the agent without approval at the highest levels of the Russian government — almost exactly the same phrase that American intelligence agencies used in October 2016, when they first attributed the hacking of emails from the Democratic National Committee to a team of Russian hackers.


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:54 am

UK locates source of novichok nerve agent used in Salisbury
Security services pinpoint secret Russian lab

Catherine Philp, Diplomatic Correspondent | Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor |
April 5 2018, 12:00pm, The Times

Russia’s culpability in the Salisbury poisoning is “beyond reasonable doubt”, the security minister said today as Russia took the spiralling row to the United Nations Security Council.

Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said that Britain had “legitimate questions” to answer over its assertion that Moscow was responsible for the attack on the former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia.

He called for Britain to present its evidence, alleging that Britain was using the case “as a pretext, either made up or staged, for the groundless expulsion of Russian diplomats”.

Russia lost a vote yesterday at an extraordinary meeting of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons in the Hague demanding that its experts be involved in the investigation.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -nx8p39kqv
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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:03 am

Sergei Skripal no longer in critical condition, says Salisbury hospital
By Euronews last updated: 06/04/2018

Russian former double-agent Sergei Skripal is said to be “responding well to treatment”, and is out of a critical condition following last month’s nerve agent attack in Salisbury, England.


http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/06/uk-e ... poisoning-



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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:02 pm

Agent used in Salisbury made at Russia's Shikhany military research base: Times
Reuters Staff

(Reuters) - A Russian military research base was identified as the source of the nerve agent used in Salisbury, England, at a British intelligence briefing for the country’s allies, the Times of London reported on Thursday.

The gathering was used to persuade world leaders that Moscow was behind the poisoning and said that the Novichok chemical was produced at the Shikhany facility in southwest Russia, the Times said. The briefing included suggestions that Shikhany had been used during the past decade to test whether the nerve agent could be utilized for assassinations abroad, the newspaper said.


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Post by Addie » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:32 pm

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Britain aims to resettle poisoned Russian ex-spy in the U.S.: Sunday Times

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is considering offering poisoned Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia new identities and a fresh life in the United States in an attempt to protect them from further murder attempts, the Sunday Times newspaper reported.

It said officials at the MI6 intelligence agency have had discussions with their counterparts in the CIA about resettling the victims poisoned last month in the English city of Salisbury.

“They will be offered new identities,” it quoted an unidentified source as saying.

The paper said its sources believed Britain would want to ensure their safety by resettling them in one of the so-called “five eyes” countries, the intelligence-sharing partnership that also includes the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:48 pm

Addie wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:32 pm
Reuters
Britain aims to resettle poisoned Russian ex-spy in the U.S.: Sunday Times

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is considering offering poisoned Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia new identities and a fresh life in the United States in an attempt to protect them from further murder attempts, the Sunday Times newspaper reported.

It said officials at the MI6 intelligence agency have had discussions with their counterparts in the CIA about resettling the victims poisoned last month in the English city of Salisbury.

“They will be offered new identities,” it quoted an unidentified source as saying.

The paper said its sources believed Britain would want to ensure their safety by resettling them in one of the so-called “five eyes” countries, the intelligence-sharing partnership that also includes the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Why not also give his new name and address? :sarcasm:


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:28 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:48 pm
Addie wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:32 pm
Reuters
Britain aims to resettle poisoned Russian ex-spy in the U.S.: Sunday Times

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is considering offering poisoned Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia new identities and a fresh life in the United States in an attempt to protect them from further murder attempts, the Sunday Times newspaper reported.

It said officials at the MI6 intelligence agency have had discussions with their counterparts in the CIA about resettling the victims poisoned last month in the English city of Salisbury.

“They will be offered new identities,” it quoted an unidentified source as saying.

The paper said its sources believed Britain would want to ensure their safety by resettling them in one of the so-called “five eyes” countries, the intelligence-sharing partnership that also includes the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
Why not also give his new name and address? :sarcasm:
They may want to wait until after dotus had Putins visit under four eyes and with the Russian news agencies reporting live in the Oval Office...



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:40 pm

True dat.


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:40 pm

UK says Russia spied on Skripals for ‘at least 5 years’
By Alasdair Sandford & Louise Miner

last updated: 13/04/2018

The UK’s national security adviser has claimed that Russian intelligence services spied on the former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia for at least five years before they were poisoned in Salisbury.

In a public letter to NATO’s Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Mark Sedwill said the British had information indicating interest in the Skripals by Russian intelligence “dating back at least as far as 2013”. Then, “email accounts belonging to Yulia Skripal were targeted by GRU (Russia’s foreign military intelligence agency) cyber specialists”.

Sedwill also alleges that in the 2000s, Russia developed a chemical warfare programme designed to deliver nerve agents, “including by application to door handles”.


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Post by Addie » Sun May 06, 2018 10:00 am

Daily Beast: From Russia’s Secret Espionage Archives: The Art of the Dangle

An old KGB training manual shows how Western double agents tried to dupe the Soviet Union during the Cold War. This classic tradecraft can tell us some things about recent events.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun May 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Chemical weapons watchdog amends claim over Salisbury novichok
OPCW corrects own director who had said 50-100g of nerve agent was used in spy poisoning

Patrick Wintour Diplomatic editor

Fri 4 May 2018 17.20 BST Last modified on Fri 4 May 2018 17.40 BST

The international chemical weapons watchdog has amended a claim made by its director general that on the former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury.

On Thursday the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Ahmet Üzümcü, said the amount of novichok – a developed by the Soviet Union – used in the attack on 4 March was significantly more than needed for research purposes and indicated it was likely to have been created for use as a weapon.

He told the New York Times: “That quantity – a range from slightly less than a quarter-cup to a half-cup of liquid – is significantly larger than the amount that would be created in a laboratory for research purposes, meaning that it was almost certainly created for use as a weapon.”

Within hours of the report, however, startled chemical weapons experts were challenging the figure, insisting a miscommunication had occurred. on Friday said the organisation “would not be able to estimate or determine the amount of the nerve agent that was used”.

It added: “The quantity should nonetheless probably be characterised in milligrams.”

It is not clear how Üzümcü made his error.


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Post by Sam the Centipede » Sun May 06, 2018 9:18 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Sun May 06, 2018 5:27 pm
:snippity:
It added: “The quantity should nonetheless probably be characterised in milligrams.”

It is not clear how Üzümcü made his error.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... y-novichok
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I assumed that his "grams" was simply a wholly innocent slip of the tongue for "milligrams". As to characterizing the quantity (research versus weapons use), I don't know, not my field.



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