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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:01 pm

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YouTube Removes Videos Showing Atrocities in Syria
By MALACHY BROWNEAUG. 22, 2017

In an effort to purge extremist propaganda from its platform, YouTube has inadvertently removed thousands of videos that could be used to document atrocities in Syria, potentially jeopardizing future war crimes prosecutions, observers and rights advocates say. :snippity:
Depending where a court may be seated in unknown future time, the clips may have some documentary value. As evidence they will not be worth much as they seldom can be used to identify a perpetrator, and to locate a person a decade later with such images will hardly be possible. Also the videographer will generally not be able to tell his story how he made this video, posting mostly under an alias and neither cannot be located.



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Post by Suranis » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:16 pm

"Machine Learning"?? Oh fuck. Thats a disaster waiting to happen. It will learn the wrong thing and will be manipulated by organized trolls like a musical instrument once they figure out how to manipulate its learning algorithm

Fucking Youtube. They have been automating their content flagging system for years and its been a total screwup... but its cheap so hey.


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Post by Addie » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:19 pm

WaPo
United Nations accuses Syrian government of April sarin attack

BEIRUT — United Nations investigators formally accused the Syrian government Wednesday of using the banned nerve agent sarin in a deadly chemical weapons attack in April that left dozens of civilians dead and hundreds more wounded.

The daybreak attack, the investigators said in a report, was one of more than 20 government assaults involving chemical weapons since March 2013, most of them targeting families with no part in the conflict.

The United Nations Commission of Inquiry on Syria is tasked with investigating alleged war crimes that have taken place during the six-year conflict. But it has no capacity to prosecute any party, underscoring the geopolitical constraints that hamstring the world’s response to the war.

The commission’s report marked first time that a U.N. body has explicitly accused the Syrian government of using sarin, a chemical that pushes the nervous system into overdrive and can kill in minutes.



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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:14 am

US is 'playing with fire', Turkey warns
By Euronews
last updated: 15/01/2018
Turkey claims the US is 'playing with fire' over plans to set up a border force on the Syrian frontier.

Turkey has warned the US-led coalition is ‘playing with fire’ over its plan to set up a new border force made up of 30,000 of its Syrian militia allies.

Washington’s support for Kurdish-dominated forces in Syria has long angered Ankara.

"Just like we do not let the separatist terror organisation Kurdistan Workers' Party or PKK operate within our borders, we are also determined to vanquish them on the other side of our border. God willing, in the coming days, we will continue the operation to purge our southern border from terror, for which the first step was taken with the Euphrates Shield military operation, with the Afrin region of Syria, which is under Kurdish control," Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

Erdogan’s spokesman labelled the latest developments 'worrying' and 'unacceptable'.

A statement from the foreign ministry reiterated the sentiment and condemned the what it called the US’s persistently ‘incorrect’ approach, adding that it was 'determined and able to eliminate all kinds of threats'.

Russia, which backs Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces in the civil war, has said 'a zone controlled by US-backed rebels' could lead to Syria being divided up.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/01/15/us-i ... rkey-warns



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Post by Suranis » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:54 pm

So how does the thought of a firefight with Turkish Troops grab you? Turkey is pepping to attack the Kurds in a town with American Troops in it. The last time the Americans drove out flags flying and the Turks back down. This time, they say, they are not backing off. Ergoden is such a Stable Genius!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42704542
Turkey says it is getting ready to launch a massive assault on Kurdish forces on the other side of the border with Syria - potentially putting it in direct conflict with its Nato ally, the United States.

...

Ankara has condemned the US for supporting the YPG and was alarmed when it emerged on Saturday that the coalition was helping it form a 30,000-strong "border security force".

While Turkey has long threatened to clear YPG fighters from the Kurdish enclave of Afrin, in north-western Syria, and Manbij, a mainly Arab town to the east, the news appears to have brought those plans forward.

A day after vowing to stop the US "creating a terror army on our border", Mr Erdogan declared on Tuesday that Turkish troops and allied Syrian rebels would soon destroy "nests of terror".
Whole article worth a read.


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Post by neeneko » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:05 pm

Suranis wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:54 pm
So how does the thought of a firefight with Turkish Troops grab you? Turkey is pepping to attack the Kurds in a town with American Troops in it. The last time the Americans drove out flags flying and the Turks back down. This time, they say, they are not backing off. Ergoden is such a Stable Genius!
I was wondering when this was going to happen. Trump has been vocally pro-Ergoden and anti-Kurd, so it was only a matter of time till Turkey decided to test this shift in friendship.

Though Turkey has to be really careful here, since if they push too quickly and actually injure American soldiers public opinion could snap on them quickly.. and since American soldiers stationed in Kurdish areas typically have pretty good working relationships with the locals, the chance of something going wrong is high.



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:12 pm

Oh great, Trump is going to get us into a war with Turkey.


The New York Times

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An armed conflict between the U.S. and pro-Turkish forces may be brewing in northern Syria. Our reporters went to see for themselves.
http://
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7:03 PM - Feb 7, 2018
Actually, on behalf of my Greek ancestors, I say go for it! Create a rump Turkey around Ankara. Give the eastern part of Turkey to the Kurds and the Armenians. Give western coastal Turkey to the Greeks. :thumbs:

(The Volkonski who came to the USA in the 1830's from the Island of Patmos barely escaped when his family was killled by the Ottomans.)


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:50 am

A big SNAFU for the USA
Syrian war spirals as US kills 100 Assad troops
Richard Spencer, Beirut
February 9 2018, 12:01am, The Times

There were airstrikes on the rebel-held eastern Ghouta near Damascus yesterday — after fighting between American soldiers and President Assad’s troops elsewhere in the war-torn country

American warplanes and coalition ground forces have opened fire on President Assad’s soldiers, killing more than a hundred in defence of a secret base occupied by US and British troops that they believed was about to come under attack.

The incident is the most serious confrontation yet pitting Kurdish and American soldiers against those of the Assad regime, which is funded and armed by Russia and Iran.

There were unconfirmed reports that Russian “contractors” and Iranian revolutionary guards were also active in the vicinity; a sign of America’s growing competition for influence with the regional powers.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/syri ... -wwshsd3tk
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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:21 am

Unsure about the quality of the reporting website, but:
That's the real Figure of Russian fatalities by US-Led International Coalition raids of Deir al-Zour
12 Feb, 2018 23:44 Syria

Western media sources revealed the deaths of hundreds of Russian special forces and the Wagner-supported mercenaries in the bombing of US-led coalition aircraft in Deir al-Zour a few days ago.

"Some 215 Russian mercenaries were killed last week in Syria, most of whom are believed to have been killed in the US raid on a convoy of Russian and Iranian militias trying to advance toward positions of the US-backed militias in Deir al-Zour," the Devins Post reported.

The site says: "The death toll was calculated through Russian social networking sites." There were recordings via Whatsapp for Russian mercenaries belonging to Wagner and taking part in the Russian war on Syria.

Russian website "Viche1" reported details about the process of targeting the fighters jet of the International Alliance a military convoy containing Russian soldiers, where it said that the number of Russian fighters was about 530 killed, more than 182 were killed in raids.


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:49 pm

US special forces 'operating illegally in Syria', Sergey Lavrov tells euronews
By Euronews
last updated: 16/02/2018

Russia's Foreign Minister tells euronews US special forces show no sign of leaving Syria.


Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov claims US special forces are illegally operating in Syria. In an exclusive interview with euronews, he said the soldiers are there to support the Kurds. It comes amid reports of Russian mercenaries being killed by US special forces in Syria.

"They have been there consistently for two or three years - almost for the whole period that the Washington-led coalition has worked in Syria and all this time the US special forces and other units are in Syria on the ground, illegally, without any invitation from Damascus, or without any mandate of the UN Security Council", he said.

Lavrov said the US forces show no sign of leaving.

"It is clear that the US probably have such a strategy to settle in Syria forever, with its armed forces, just as they want to do in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite all promises made. And so when they settle forever in Syria, which they are already doing now, and despite all promises, they isolate a huge piece of the Syrian territory, in infringement of the sovereignty of the Syrian Arab Republic, and create there some kind of quasi-local authority. And in every possible way try to create there an autonomous unit with the support of the Kurds."


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Post by Suranis » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:30 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43131600
Syria war: Pro-government forces enter Kurdish-held Afrin

Syrian pro-government forces have entered the Kurdish enclave of Afrin, provoking an immediate response from Turkish forces besieging the area.

The government was asked for military help by a Kurdish militia that has been trying to repel an offensive by Turkish troops and allied Syrian rebels.

Fighters were seen passing through a checkpoint in armoured vehicles.

Turkish troops then shelled the area and Turkey said it had forced the pro-government fighters to retreat.

Turkey had threatened to confront government forces if they intervened, raising the prospect of direct conflict between two of the main players in Syria's civil war.

The development comes as:

Syrian government warplanes continued to bombard the besieged rebel-held Eastern Ghouta region outside Damascus, reportedly killing dozens of civilians a day after strikes left more than 120 dead
The government's ally Russia acknowledged that dozens of its citizens were killed or wounded in a recent armed clash in Syria - an apparent reference to a confrontation this month with US-backed forces in Deir al-Zour
Yes its Assad Vs Erodgen in the battle of the biggest dickhead.

in other news.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43125506
Russia admits dozens of Russian casualties in Syria battle

10 minutes ago

Russia's foreign ministry has confirmed that "several dozen" Russian citizens - not regular soldiers - were killed or wounded in a recent battle in Syria.

The statement did not give a date. Previously the Russian government said "probably five" Russians had died in a clash in Deir al-Zour province.

Some reports have said more than 100 Russian mercenaries were killed in US air strikes on 7 February.

Russia does not divulge firm details of "volunteer" fighters in the conflict.

What does Russia say?

The latest Russian statement said no Russian regular forces had been involved in a "recent armed clash".

The foreign ministry spoke of "several dozen" citizens from Russia and other ex-Soviet republics, who have been killed or wounded. It said the injured are undergoing medical treatment at a number of hospitals.

"It has been pointed out that certain Russian citizens in Syria have arrived there of their own free will and for different reasons. The foreign ministry does not have the authority to assess the validity and legality of their decisions," it added.


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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:59 pm

Suranis wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:30 pm
:snippity:
in other news.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43125506
Russia admits dozens of Russian casualties in Syria battle

10 minutes ago

Russia's foreign ministry has confirmed that "several dozen" Russian citizens - not regular soldiers - were killed or wounded in a recent battle in Syria.

The statement did not give a date. Previously the Russian government said "probably five" Russians had died in a clash in Deir al-Zour province.

Some reports have said more than 100 Russian mercenaries were killed in US air strikes on 7 February.

Russia does not divulge firm details of "volunteer" fighters in the conflict.

What does Russia say?

The latest Russian statement said no Russian regular forces had been involved in a "recent armed clash".

The foreign ministry spoke of "several dozen" citizens from Russia and other ex-Soviet republics, who have been killed or wounded. It said the injured are undergoing medical treatment at a number of hospitals.

"It has been pointed out that certain Russian citizens in Syria have arrived there of their own free will and for different reasons. The foreign ministry does not have the authority to assess the validity and legality of their decisions," it added.
The numbers that get quoted from parties in the conflict suggest like 300+ mercenaries got killed. Quite a job for the US to bomb the ammassed fighters. I seem to remember that a Moscow ministery released a message saying that Putin was not amused by this US hit-and-run.

PS. while I quietly believe he didn't mind that post-war there were some fighters less to care with once they decide to return and start in-fighting with Russia in those far away provinces.



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Post by Foggy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:17 pm

... Putin was not amused ...
Putin has a problem. He can only use the pee hookers tape once. He has to save it for a special occasion. :daydream:


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Post by Addie » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:32 pm

ABC News
Trump signals withdrawal 'very soon' of US troops from Syria, surprising Pentagon and State Department ...

"By the way, we're knocking the hell out of ISIS," Trump told a crowd in Ohio during a speech on infrastructure spending. "We're coming out of Syria very soon. Let the other people take care of it now, very soon. Very soon, we're coming out."

The approximately 2,000 U.S. troops inside Syria have been working alongside Syrian Democratic Forces, reclaiming territory from ISIS to include the city of Raqqa – the terrorist organization's once self-proclaimed capital in Syria.

In addition, the State Department and U.S. International Agency for Development have dozens of officials working on the ground to stabilize cities and towns after ISIS's defeat. They work with international partners on demining, rubble removal, and restoring services like water, electricity, and schools and hospitals.

Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson have said repeatedly that those troops will remain and the civilian presence will increase as the U.S. works to prevent a new terror group from forming.



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:28 pm

Addie wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:32 pm
ABC News
Trump signals withdrawal 'very soon' of US troops from Syria, surprising Pentagon and State Department ...

:snippity:
Dotus preparing the field for Iranian backed forces to move in with the help of Russia?



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Post by gupwalla » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:38 pm

If you want to be inspired, check out the work of @SyriaCivilDef The White Helmets.

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Post by tencats » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:39 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:28 pm
Addie wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:32 pm
ABC News
Trump signals withdrawal 'very soon' of US troops from Syria, surprising Pentagon and State Department ...

:snippity:
Dotus preparing the field for Iranian backed forces to move in with the help of Russia?
Trump: “US out of Syria ‘Very Soon'”– Quip or Policy Reversal?
By Juan Cole | Mar. 30, 2018 |
https://www.juancole.com/2018/03/trump- ... ersal.html
Here is what he said:

[Re: Iraq War] “We spent — and I was against it from the beginning (they try and say, ‘Well, maybe not…’) I was against it from the beginning…

And by the way we’re knocking the hell out of ISIS, we’ll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now. Very soon. Very soon. We’re coming out. We’re going to have a hundred percent of the caliphate, as they call it–sometimes referred to as ‘land’–taking it all back, quickly, quickly, But we’re going to be coming out of there very soon. Going to get back to our country, where we belong, where we want to be.”

:snippity:

As always in the age of Trump, we are left to wonder about the significance of the president’s remarks. Is he announcing a policy reversal and firing a shot across the bow of Mattis-Pompeo-Bolton that he may have been inveigled into hiring them by the Republican establishment but he won’t put up with their dragging him into a major Iraq-style war? Is he once again caving to Russian pressure? Is the old Michael Flynn connection to Turkey still somehow operating through other channels?

Or is he just pleasing his infinitely gullible base, lying to them as he lies to them about his tawdry affairs?

Stay tuned.



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:43 am


Martha Raddatz

@MarthaRaddatz


DNI Dan Coats just told a group of reporters that a decision was made about our involvement in Syria yesterday and there will be an announcement relatively soon. He would not say what it is or what time it was made (before or after the POTUS press conference )
8:12 AM - Apr 4, 2018
What is the point of this teasing announcement? :roll:

My guess is that Trump is going to pull out our troops and let Putin and Erdogan do whatever they want in Syria. Bad news for the Kurds. :(


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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:05 am

Volkonski wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:43 am
https:// twitter.com/MarthaRaddatz/status/981519807127474177
Martha Raddatz @MarthaRaddatz


DNI Dan Coats just told a group of reporters that a decision was made about our involvement in Syria yesterday and there will be an announcement relatively soon. He would not say what it is or what time it was made (before or after the POTUS press conference )
8:12 AM - Apr 4, 2018
What is the point of this teasing announcement? :roll:

My guess is that Trump is going to pull out our troops and let Putin and Erdogan do whatever they want in Syria. Bad news for the Kurds. :(
And bad news for the assorted anti-Assad groups. The US will once again be remembered as an unreliable parrtner.



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Post by Volkonski » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:54 am

Nevermind.....................


The New York Times

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Breaking News: The White House said that the U.S. is committed to fighting ISIS in Syria, a day after President Trump suggested he wanted a quick withdrawal
https://
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10:29 AM - Apr 4, 2018

The White House said on Wednesday that the United States is committed to continuing to fight the Islamic State in Syria, signaling a retreat by President Trump from his insistence that the 2,000 American forces there quickly return home from the conflict.

“The military mission to eradicate ISIS in Syria is coming to a rapid end, with ISIS being almost completely destroyed,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the press secretary, said in a statement issued one day after Mr. Trump met with military commanders to discuss the future of the mission. “The United States and our partners remain committed to eliminating the small ISIS presence in Syria that our forces have not already eradicated.”

The statement indicated that the president’s top military advisers, who have argued that maintaining United States forces in Syria is crucial to defeating the Islamic State and ensuring that the militant group cannot regain a foothold in the region, have succeeded — at least for now — in persuading an impatient commander in chief not to order a quick withdrawal.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is crazy. Is no one at the WH in charge of sending out consistent messages to the world?


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Post by tencats » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:36 pm

Saudis need to pay if they want US troops to stay in Syria
Trump reiterates necessity for US troops to leave Syria unless Riyadh pays for continuation of US presence there.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/ ... 02069.html
US President Donald Trump has said that Saudi Arabia might have to pay if it wants continuing US presence in Syria.

"We've almost completed that task [of defeating ISIL] and we'll be making a determination very quickly, in coordination with others in the area, as to what we'll do," said Trump on Tuesday during a White House press conference with leaders from three Baltic nations.

"Saudi Arabia is very interested in our decision, and I said, 'Well, you know, you want us to stay, maybe you're going to have to pay'."



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Post by Judge Roy Bean » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:11 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:54 am
:snippity:

This is crazy. Is no one at the WH in charge of sending out consistent messages to the world?
I wonder what has happened over the last few decades that makes everyone in Washington insist on getting in front of a camera and telling our enemies everything we're going to do or not do.


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:39 am

Volkonski wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:54 am
Nevermind.....................

https:// twitter.com/nytimes/status/981554384793473026
The New York Times @nytimes

Breaking News: The White House said that the U.S. is committed to fighting ISIS in Syria, a day after President Trump suggested he wanted a quick withdrawal
https://nyti.ms/2Iu2jG2

10:29 AM - Apr 4, 2018

:snippity:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is crazy. Is no one at the WH in charge of sending out consistent messages to the world?
McMaster recently in Munich:
Trump administration officials spent the weekend in Munich telling their European counterparts to please ignore President Donald Trump’s tweets and to focus on their more sober-minded statements.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/sec ... -russians/



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:51 am

tencats wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:36 pm
Saudis need to pay if they want US troops to stay in Syria
Trump reiterates necessity for US troops to leave Syria unless Riyadh pays for continuation of US presence there.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/ ... 02069.html
US President Donald Trump has said that Saudi Arabia might have to pay if it wants continuing US presence in Syria.

"We've almost completed that task [of defeating ISIL] and we'll be making a determination very quickly, in coordination with others in the area, as to what we'll do," said Trump on Tuesday during a White House press conference with leaders from three Baltic nations.

"Saudi Arabia is very interested in our decision, and I said, 'Well, you know, you want us to stay, maybe you're going to have to pay'."
:o Why ought S.Arabia be quite so interested in the minimal US force in Syria? It's the US most personal interest to keep a foothold there to keep Iranians out and (just perhaps) keep Assad on needles. And Dear Donald (David Dennison) keep in mind that the Saudis are well paying clients of the US military industrial complex. What is the US paying them for the military bases in the deserts? :brickwallsmall:



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