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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:16 am

The NRA is one of the masters at this, but many of the questions are "push poll" types where there is only one reasonable answer based on the way the question is set up.

As a poll it's valueless. As a recruiting tool or a spreader of fear it's a masterpiece.

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Post by Dr. Caligari » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:01 am

Sam the Centipede wrote:
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:confused: :confused: Lawfolk: I'm sure it's complicated :-D but is there a general rule or guideline about when somebody other than the person being deposed can attend or send an attorney to a deposition? Do parties in the action of which the deposition is a part have a general right to attend or be represented? Do non-parties have any rights?

So is the NRA's attorney's exclusion a surprise or simply normal procedure?
Parties to an action have the right to have their attorney at any deposition in the case. But there is no case that has been filed yet; this is just a pre-suit investigation by the Attorney General and, under New York law (which I once challenged unsuccessfully when I had a client under investigation by the NY AG) no one but the witness and the AG's office can attend or be represented at such a deposition.
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Post by TexasFilly » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:13 am

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
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Do you support or oppose allowing military service men and women to carry firearms on U.S. military bases to guard themselves against violent criminals and radical Islamic terrorists?
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Radical Islamic terrorists are a big problem on our military bases?


Except for the Ft. Hood shooter. The NRA was thrilled when that happened. Arming service people on base was a huge talking point for a time.
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Post by p0rtia » Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:44 am

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:16 am
The NRA is one of the masters at this, but many of the questions are "push poll" types where there is only one reasonable answer based on the way the question is set up.

As a poll it's valueless. As a recruiting tool or a spreader of fear it's a masterpiece.
My understanding of a push poll is that it is designed to influence/sway the opinion of the person taking the poll; i.e. to make whatever the poll is pushing more palatable to person. I don't really see that here--or if it is here, it seems incidental to the main purpose, which seems to me to be to produce a dishonest result for the the NRA to use as propaganda.

Or maybe what I'm seeing is always a side-effect of a push poll. In either event, the twisting of language and open deceit in service to the glorification of weapons of mass murder is despicable. And exactly the opposite of the traditional purpose of a poll.
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Post by Gregg » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:13 pm

p0rtia wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:44 am
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:16 am
The NRA is one of the masters at this, but many of the questions are "push poll" types where there is only one reasonable answer based on the way the question is set up.

As a poll it's valueless. As a recruiting tool or a spreader of fear it's a masterpiece.
My understanding of a push poll is that it is designed to influence/sway the opinion of the person taking the poll; i.e. to make whatever the poll is pushing more palatable to person. I don't really see that here--or if it is here, it seems incidental to the main purpose, which seems to me to be to produce a dishonest result for the the NRA to use as propaganda.

Or maybe what I'm seeing is always a side-effect of a push poll. In either event, the twisting of language and open deceit in service to the glorification of weapons of mass murder is despicable. And exactly the opposite of the traditional purpose of a poll.
Have you read any of the Trump Campaign polls?

I got one in the mail, (disguised to look like the Census and I'm sure it fooled some people, even to the point that they might have sent the $25 requested to make sure they got counted) and man....
“Do you believe that the mainstream media has reported unfairly on our movement?”
“Do you believe that the mainstream media does not do their due diligence fact-checking before publishing stories on the Trump administration?”
“Do you believe that political correctness has created biased news coverage on both illegal immigration and radical Islamic terrorism?”
“Do you believe that the media purposely tries to divide Republicans against each other in order to help elect Democrats?”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... dia-survey
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Post by Gregg » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:20 pm

or this one...

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Who do you trust more to protect America from foreign and domestic threats?
President Trump
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Who would you rather handle our Nation's economy?
President Trump
A Radical Socialist Democrat

Who do you believe is more transparent with the American People?
President Trump
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Post by p0rtia » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:31 pm

Gregg wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:13 pm
p0rtia wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:44 am
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:16 am
The NRA is one of the masters at this, but many of the questions are "push poll" types where there is only one reasonable answer based on the way the question is set up.

As a poll it's valueless. As a recruiting tool or a spreader of fear it's a masterpiece.
My understanding of a push poll is that it is designed to influence/sway the opinion of the person taking the poll; i.e. to make whatever the poll is pushing more palatable to person. I don't really see that here--or if it is here, it seems incidental to the main purpose, which seems to me to be to produce a dishonest result for the the NRA to use as propaganda.

Or maybe what I'm seeing is always a side-effect of a push poll. In either event, the twisting of language and open deceit in service to the glorification of weapons of mass murder is despicable. And exactly the opposite of the traditional purpose of a poll.
Have you read any of the Trump Campaign polls?

I got one in the mail, (disguised to look like the Census and I'm sure it fooled some people, even to the point that they might have sent the $25 requested to make sure they got counted) and man....
“Do you believe that the mainstream media has reported unfairly on our movement?”
“Do you believe that the mainstream media does not do their due diligence fact-checking before publishing stories on the Trump administration?”
“Do you believe that political correctness has created biased news coverage on both illegal immigration and radical Islamic terrorism?”
“Do you believe that the media purposely tries to divide Republicans against each other in order to help elect Democrats?”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... dia-survey
I have read those, yes. Not really a poll. Just promotional material with the immediate goal of raising money. I doubt anyone ever calculates the results. The Dems do this too, as I mentioned: "Do you want to see Trump defeated? Yes No" "Do you think children should be put in cages on the border? Yes No." Pfff.
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Post by Northland10 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:10 pm

I'm confused as to why the NRA is having problems? They have guns and guns fix everything, or so they say. If you have a gun, you won't stub your toe, your wine won't be corked, and you won't be one quarter short for the washing machine. Staff, board, and vendor problems should not exist because guns.

NRA wouldn't lie, would they?
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Post by Gregg » Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:30 pm

I thought they were mainly promising to make your dick bigger.
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Post by ZekeB » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:02 pm

Gregg wrote:
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I thought they were mainly promising to make your dick bigger.
The NRA sponsored the Living Large commercials I use to see on late night television? :think:
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:04 pm

Gregg wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:30 pm
I thought they were mainly promising to make your dick bigger.
And fully metallic. (Except for the polymer Glock.)

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Post by Northland10 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:00 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:04 pm
Gregg wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:30 pm
I thought they were mainly promising to make your dick bigger.
And fully metallic. (Except for the polymer Glock.)
Am I still on the sex robot thread?

Oh shoot, did I say that out loud?
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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:23 pm

Northland10 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:04 pm
Gregg wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:30 pm
I thought they were mainly promising to make your dick bigger.
And fully metallic. (Except for the polymer Glock.)
Am I still on the sex robot thread?

Oh shoot, did I say that out loud?
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Post by woodworker » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:34 pm

Classic push poll, IIRC, South Carolina 2000 Republican primary: Would you be more or less inclined to support John McCain for President if you knew that he had an illegitimate black daughter?

It was a reference to his adopted, IIRC, Bangladeshi daughter.
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NRA’s Former Ad Firm Slaps Wayne LaPierre With Subpoena
The gun group’s lawyers are trying to delay the chief executive’s grilling, according to a court document obtained by The Daily Beast.

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Updated 08.26.19 7:33PM ET / Published 08.26.19 3:18PM ET

The National Rifle Association’s former ad firm has subpoenaed the gun group’s chief executive, Wayne LaPierre, for a deposition, according to a court document reviewed by The Daily Beast.

Lawyers for the NRA, who filed the document in Virginia Circuit Court on Aug. 21, are seeking to postpone LaPierre’s interview.

LaPierre isn’t the only senior NRA official who faces a grilling from ad firm Ackerman McQueen. According to the filing, the ad firm also wants to question the gun group’s top spokesperson, Andrew Arulanandam; Millie Hallow, assistant to the executive vice president; and the NRA’s chief financial officer, Craig Spray.

It’s the latest episode of an ongoing legal brawl between the powerful but troubled gun-rights group and the ad firm that helped it sally forth into America’s culture wars.


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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:36 pm

Isn’t it un-American to question the NRA? Asking for a friend.

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:07 pm

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ackerman- ... nra-lawyer
NRATV Creator Laid Off Dozens After Split From Gun Group: Lawyer

The ad firm that ran NRATV has laid off 50 employees since parting ways with the gun-rights group, its lawyer said in court Wednesday morning.

That revelation came during a short hearing that ended with a narrow but hard-fought defeat for the NRA, and with the tentative scheduling of a deposition of the organization’s chief executive, Wayne LaPierre.

The fight has already left significant collateral damage, according to David Dickieson, a lawyer for Ackerman McQueen. He said in court that the ad firm had to close its office in Alexandria, Virginia, after the NRA stopped paying its invoices and declined to extend it a $3 million line of credit.

LaPierre faces intense scrutiny for his leadership of the NRA, and is also central to the dueling lawsuits. The judge ordered this morning that he sit for a deposition by the week of Sept. 23.
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Post by Foggy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:41 am

From Dave's link:
The San Francisco Board of Supervisors has passed an official resolution that declares the National Rifle Association (NRA) a "domestic terrorist organisation".
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Post by Dave at Sea » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:07 am

There was a time when being a Republican wasn’t synonymous with evil*..

* not all.. there are many Republicans that despair of where their party has gone...

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Post by ZekeB » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:08 am

These were back when America was great. Oh wait, our Chosen One doesn't want that part again.
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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:09 am

Dave at Sea wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:07 am
There was a time when being a Republican wasn’t synonymous with evil... :geezertowel:
And the NRA actually gave a damn about gun safety.

Hell, I was raised by Eisenhower republicans. He'd be a socialist by today's GOP standards.
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A number of attempts by far reichers to take control of branches, parties and organisations have recently been defeated down here- the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

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Post by fierceredpanda » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:37 am

Slim Cognito wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:09 am
Dave at Sea wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:07 am
There was a time when being a Republican wasn’t synonymous with evil... :geezertowel:
And the NRA actually gave a damn about gun safety.

Hell, I was raised by Eisenhower republicans. He'd be a socialist by today's GOP standards.
:yeah:

I tried to explain this to a GOP state rep a few years back. I grew up in an upper-middle-class white family in suburban Northeast Wisconsin, with no real connection to any groups you'd think of as being in the Democratic Party's core constituencies, except the fact that my mom was a public school teacher. My dad worked in finance, for heaven's sake. And - even though I didn't grow up around guns - I am a gun owner, because trap shooting is a handy form of stress relief. Someday soon I want to go pheasant hunting, if I can ever find the time. Yet, despite those things, you'd have to literally put a gun to my head to get me to vote for pretty much any Republican at all, and you'd have to go to similar lengths to persuade me to join the NRA. I'm almost embarrassed whenever I go to a shop to buy shells or whatnot for my shotgun, because the poisonous politics of most gun owners and retailers make me physically ill. Can I please buy some target ammunition without having to see those stupid "Come and take it!" t-shirts? FFS. The lawyer in me wants to make a shirt reading "Be responsible, or you're goddamn right we'll come and take it."

Like Foggy, I also had some cool NRA shooting medals back in the day. I was a "range rat" for a week every year at Boy Scout summer camp (there's another organization that's had some...issues lately), spending all my free time shooting a .22 rifle until I got my Marksman medal, because the Boy Scouts let you wear NRA shooting medals on your uniform and they looked sooooo cool. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any desire among most gun owners for an organization that advocates for gun safety, marksmanship, and outdoor conservation without the obnoxious politics or maximalist posturing that insists taking away a crazy person's AR-15 and 100-round magazine is a slippery slope towards the jackbooted thugs kicking down my door and confiscating my 870 Express. Instead, I fear the NRA will be superseded by more hardline groups like GOA, as gun owners become more entrenched in a bunker mentality that can tolerate no dissent.
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