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Post by ZekeB » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:09 pm

TexasFilly wrote:
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The lawyer, Martin Weinberg, said that contrary to numerous media accounts, Epstein is not a billionaire.
Why do I get the feeling Trump's lawyers would be saying the same thing if Trump were in Epstein's place?


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Post by Kendra » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:22 pm

This passport thing is curious. Why keep something like that around since it's expired? Why not shred it? Orbit just sentimental garbage, why was it kept in a safe?



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Post by ZekeB » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:26 pm

Kendra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:22 pm
This passport thing is curious. Why keep something like that around since it's expired? Why not shred it? Orbit just sentimental garbage, why was it kept in a safe?
It's easier to get a new passport when you have an old one, even if it expired more than two years ago. I found that out for myself a few years ago. The clerk took my old passport and sent it in, but not my birth certificate. The old passport came back with my new passport - with holes punched in it. It's a souvenir. I used that passport during Desert Storm and it is stamped for entry to countries I'll never see again.


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Post by neonzx » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:48 pm

Reminds me of so many generic spy movies where X grabs "go bag", opens safe, empties cash and valuables and fake passports to get on the run. Very dramatic.


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Post by Kendra » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:45 pm


Prosecutor's precise phrasing vis a vis passport with Epstein photo and different name: "[T]he passport that I just referenced listed at the time his residence as Saudi Arabia, and this was from the 1980's."



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Post by Kendra » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:01 pm

Video at link with Ken Starr comments. https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/form ... gh-in-2008



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Post by Somerset » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:15 pm

ZekeB wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:26 pm
Kendra wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:22 pm
This passport thing is curious. Why keep something like that around since it's expired? Why not shred it? Orbit just sentimental garbage, why was it kept in a safe?
It's easier to get a new passport when you have an old one, even if it expired more than two years ago. I found that out for myself a few years ago. The clerk took my old passport and sent it in, but not my birth certificate. The old passport came back with my new passport - with holes punched in it. It's a souvenir. I used that passport during Desert Storm and it is stamped for entry to countries I'll never see again.
That's true for legitimate expired passports. I have all of my old ones for memory's sake, and my latest expired one for unexpired visas (10 year multi-entry). But a fake passport isn't likely to be useful to get a renewal. It might get you past immigration, but the chances of it not being detected as fake during a renewal process are very slim and the potential downside for getting caught (jail) seems hardly worth it.



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Post by Chilidog » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:25 pm

Unless it was issued by foreign government for their own purposes.



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Post by Somerset » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:01 am

Chilidog wrote:
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Unless it was issued by foreign government for their own purposes.
If it was issued by a government, then by definition it's not fake.



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Post by Reality Check » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:12 am

Somerset wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:01 am
Chilidog wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:25 pm
Unless it was issued by foreign government for their own purposes.
If it was issued by a government, then by definition it's not fake.
Gees, that sounds familiar. :- I wish Birther Boobs understood that.


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Post by Hurtzi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:47 am

Somerset wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:01 am
Chilidog wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:25 pm
Unless it was issued by foreign government for their own purposes.
If it was issued by a government, then by definition it's not fake.
So what gov had issued this passport ? Must not have been foreign. Stranger things have happened.


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Post by Chilidog » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:03 am

I keep running across internet rumors that tie Epstein to the Mossad.

Epstein's association with Ghislaine Maxwell is... Interesting, given that her father has been long considered a major figure in the Mossad.



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Post by Dan1100 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:06 am

Chilidog wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:03 am
I keep running across internet rumors that tie Epstein to the Mossad.

Epstein's association with Ghislaine Maxwell is... Interesting, given that her father has been long considered a major figure in the Mossad.
I might be way off base, but I think that anyone who has internet rumors about them being connected to Mossad are definitely not connected to Mossad.


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Post by Chilidog » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:15 am

But Epstein IS connected to Israeli political figures.

And Maxwell's father was a strange character with well established connections to Israel.



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Post by Hurtzi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:58 am

Chilidog wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:15 am
But Epstein IS connected to Israeli political figures.

And Maxwell's father was a strange character with well established connections to Israel.
Ehud Barak: I Visited Epstein’s Island But Never Met Any Girls
https://www.thedailybeast.com/israels-e ... -any-girls


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Post by Hurtzi » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:54 am

Strange fact:

Ghislaine Maxwell, the "Madam" who recruited and instructed girls for Epstein, attended Chelsea Clinton's marriage in 2010.
The ‘Lady of the House’ Who Was Long Entangled With Jeffrey Epstein
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEB ... id=US%3Aen


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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:55 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/g ... stein.html
Shortly after Ghislaine Maxwell arrived in New York from England in the early 1990s, she was looking for a new start. She had just lost her father, a British media mogul, along with much of her family fortune and her social standing.

Soon she was on the rise with the help of her new boyfriend, Jeffrey Epstein, a rich financier. It was the beginning of a mutually beneficial relationship. With Mr. Epstein, Ms. Maxwell was able to resurrect the lifestyle she coveted.

She flew on his private jet, she settled into his mansions in New York and Florida and she eventually landed her own five-story townhouse in Manhattan. For Mr. Epstein, who had grown up in Coney Island and was a college dropout, the gregarious Ms. Maxwell provided new social pathways. Her friends in high places included Britain’s Prince Andrew, who became a frequent guest in Mr. Epstein’s homes.

Now, with Mr. Epstein under federal indictment on charges of sexually trafficking and abusing girls, there are mounting questions about what else happened in his close relationship with Ms. Maxwell.



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:04 pm

Court Documents Confirm Jeffrey Epstein Is Nowhere Near A Billionaire

Lisette Voytko Forbes Staff

Topline: Court documents unsealed after disgraced former financier Jeffrey Epstein’s Monday bail hearing revealed new insight into his wealth, confirming what Forbes has written since 2011: Epstein is not a billionaire.

A financial disclosure form filed by Epstein’s legal team said he has over $550 million in assets. In terms of bank accounts, listed are cash ($56,547,773), fixed income from bonds ($14,304,679), equities ($112,679,138), and hedge funds/private equity ($194,986,301.)

Although it was known his properties were worth collectively in the hundreds of millions, their values were confirmed by Epstein’s team for the first time. The Manhattan mansion is listed at $55,931,000; the New Mexico “Zorro” ranch at $17,246,208; the Palm Beach house, $12,380,209; the Paris apartment, $8,672,823; and his two islands in the Virgin Islands: Great St. James $22,498,600, and Little St. James Island, $63,874,223.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoy ... llionaire/



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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:53 pm


Epstein's brief can be read here:

(link: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... 16-19.html) documentcloud.org/documents/6201…

The prosecutors' brief can be read here:

(link: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... 16-19.html) documentcloud.org/documents/6202…

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Post by Addie » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:10 pm

CNN - Elie Honig
Jeffrey Epstein's indictment is just the tip of the iceberg ...

Trial might be the only way to resolve this case. If that happens, we will get the full story of Epstein's alleged crimes, including the names of any co-conspirators and enablers.

We also likely will see more indictments. It's clear that Epstein did not act alone. The Southern District alleges that at least three other unnamed people -- identified in the indictment as "Employees 1, 2, and 3" -- helped Epstein run his multi-state sex trafficking ring. Given the scope and complexity of the scheme, and the number of victims, expect to see more people named as defendants as the case progresses.

We do not yet know who else might be implicated, but we have an important clue: the Southern District is staffing the case primarily with prosecutors from its Public Corruption Unit. US Attorney Geoffrey Berman urged the public "not to read into the unit assignment anything one way or another." But that is nonsense. You absolutely should read into this staffing assignment.

As a Southern District alum, I know that it is both unusual and significant that the Public Corruption Unit is running this case. Normally, a sex trafficking case would be prosecuted only by the Human Trafficking Coordinators, who are part of the Violent and Organized Crime Unit that I once supervised. Public Corruption is involved here for a reason: there must be at least one public official, past or present, involved in the case in some way.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:17 pm

I would not be surprised if Acosta took a bribe. Maybe not cash in a paperbag that he kept in his freezer, but a promise of something of value.



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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:37 pm

https://www.courthousenews.com/epstein- ... ky-assets/
MANHATTAN (CN) – Locked in a safe inside his $77 million Upper East Side townhouse, wealthy sex-offender Jeffrey Epstein kept a long-expired Austrian passport bearing his picture and not his name.

Hoping to mitigate the powerful evidence of Epstein’s flight risk, Epstein’s counsel proffered a new explanation Tuesday as to why he kept that forgery: to protect himself from anti-Semitic attacks.

“Epstein – an affluent member of the Jewish faith – acquired the passport in the 1980s, when hijackings were prevalent, in connection to Middle East travel,” Epstein’s attorney Marc Fernich insisted in a 9-page memo. “The passport was for personal protection in the event of travel to dangerous areas, only to be presented to potential kidnappers, hijackers or terrorists should violent episodes occur.”

Prosecutors warn Epstein will use his “nearly infinite” wealth to escape two sex-trafficking charges.

“Government is attempting to obtain additional information about the foreign passport, including how it was obtained and whether the passport is genuine or fabricated,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Alison Moe wrote in a 3-page memo. “But the defendant’s possession of what purports to be a foreign passport issued under an alias gives rise to the inference the defendant knows how to obtain false travel documents and/or assume other, foreign identities.”
@ Addie, Honig is on every Sunday afternoon (at least when I've watched) at 2:45 PM Pacific Time. He takes viewer questions. Worth the 15 minute segment, he's very helpful. And he is adamant that it matters that the Public Corruption unit is handling this case, instead of the usual sex crimes unit. :popcorn:



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Post by Azastan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:46 pm

Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:37 pm
https://www.courthousenews.com/epstein- ... ky-assets/


“Epstein – an affluent member of the Jewish faith – acquired the passport in the 1980s, when hijackings were prevalent, in connection to Middle East travel,” Epstein’s attorney Marc Fernich insisted in a 9-page memo. “The passport was for personal protection in the event of travel to dangerous areas, only to be presented to potential kidnappers, hijackers or terrorists should violent episodes occur.”



Then why hang on to it? It's expired. Doesn't look like him any more. Why lock it in a safe instead of burning it and destroying it?



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Post by bob » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:53 pm

The passport was for personal protection in the event of travel to dangerous areas, only to be presented to potential kidnappers, hijackers or terrorists should violent episodes occur.
Terrorist: "Aren't you Jeffrery Epstein, the American billionaire?"

Epstein: "No, I'm Hans Gruber, the Austrian cobbler. Here's my passport saying so."

Terrorist: "On your way, then. Have a nice day."


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