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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:15 am

Questions:

1. Is the "senior campaign official" with whom Stone had been talking about Wikileaks with Manafort or someone else?

2. "Person 1" is described as "a political commentator who worked with an online media publication during
the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign." Is that Corsi?

3. "Person 2" is a radio host. The Washington Post said "Person 2" is likely York comedian Randy Credico.

I haven't been following Stone all that closely so the answers to these questions might be obvious to those who have.
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Post by Addie » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:20 am

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What the Roger Stone Indictment Tells Us About Collusion

“Roger Stone’s indictment by the Mueller investigation reveals a series of alleged conversations between the Republican operative and Trump campaign officials regarding the timing and content of Wikileaks’ email dumps during the 2016 campaign — which Stone allegedly lied about under oath,” Axios reports.

“Multiple Trump campaign officials — although we don’t know who — were allegedly told by Stone ahead of time about WikiLeaks releases considered damaging to Hillary Clinton. One campaign official was even instructed to reach out to Stone about future releases following the DNC email release in July of 2016.”

First Read: “Why does Stone talking to the Trump campaign about WikiLeaks matter? Because Trump and his campaign seized on the WikiLeaks disclosures during the last month of the 2016 election, with Trump mentioning the word ‘WikiLeaks’ some 140 times in that final month, per NBC’s count.”

“The caution here: Mueller’s indictment clearly shows collusion/cooperation between the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks. What we don’t know is if Stone and the Trump campaign knew that WikiLeaks might have been a front for Russian intelligence — since it was Russian intelligence that hacked the Democratic emails. Stone has denied being involved in any collusion.”
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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:28 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:15 am
Questions:

1. Is the "senior campaign official" with whom Stone had been talking about Wikileaks with
Edit: in the Summer of 2016
Manafort or someone else?

2. "Person 1" is described as "a political commentator who worked with an online media publication during
the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign." Is that Corsi?

3. "Person 2" is a radio host. The Washington Post said "Person 2" is likely York comedian Randy Credico.
Edit: 4. The indictment also talks about a "high ranking" campaign official who cannot be Manafort because the discussions between that person and Stone occurred after Manafort was already gone.
I haven't been following Stone all that closely so the answers to these questions might be obvious to those who have.
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Post by jmj » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:34 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:28 am
Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:15 am
Questions:

1. Is the "senior campaign official" with whom Stone had been talking about Wikileaks with
Edit: in the Summer of 2016
Manafort or someone else?

2. "Person 1" is described as "a political commentator who worked with an online media publication during
the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign." Is that Corsi?

3. "Person 2" is a radio host. The Washington Post said "Person 2" is likely York comedian Randy Credico.
Edit: 4. The indictment also talks about a "high ranking" campaign official who cannot be Manafort because the discussions between that person and Stone occurred after Manafort was already gone.
I haven't been following Stone all that closely so the answers to these questions might be obvious to those who have.
This washington post story de-anonymizes a lot of things we know: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... f3fbfe263a

Basically, yes to Corsi and Credico. The high-ranking official is Bannon it seems.

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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:44 am

Thanks, jmj :thumbs:

I thought this was kind of funny...
The Federal Grand Jury quoting Roger Stone wrote:Because of tromp I could never get away with a certain [sic] my Fifth Amendment rights but you can. I guarantee you you are the one who gets indicted for perjury if you’re stupid enough to testify.
If Stone had actually pleaded the Fifth at the House Intelligence Committee none of this would be happening to him now. Irony much?
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Post by NMgirl » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:55 am

Marcy Wheeler lays out the players nice and neatly.
Organization 1: WikiLeaks

Person 1: Jerome Corsi

Person 2: Randy Credico

Senior Trump Campaign official (¶12): Unknown

After the July 22, 2016 release of stolen DNC emails by Organization 1, a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign.

Corsi’s associate (¶13a, ¶13b)lawyer;awlawlalawu: Ted Malloch

Attorney with ability to contact Assange (¶15dii): Margaret Kunstler

A supporter involved with the Trump Campaign (¶16a, ¶16d): Unknown, but could be Sam Nunberg

High-ranking Trump campaign official (¶16b, ¶16c): Steven Bannon

A reporter who had connections to a high-ranking Trump Campaign official (¶16b): Matthew Boyle

Associate of high-ranking Trump campaign official (¶17): Unknown

September 18 request for information (¶15d): Stone was looking for details on Hillary’s attempts to thwart a Libyan peace deal
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Roger Stone's case in DC is assigned to US District Judge Amy Berman Jackson, the same judge who is handling Paul Manafort's case

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CNBC: Steve Bannon is the 'high-ranking' Trump official in Roger Stone indictment who asked about future WikiLeaks releases in October 2016

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Having fought Manafort & Stone for decades -- led the fight to keep them out of McCain campaigns -- seeing both of them in federal court today comes as no surprise. Their involvement in this conspiracy against America just the tip.
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"Attorney with ability to contact Assange (¶15dii): Margaret Kunstler"

Dear god. For the oldsters among us, Margaret Ratner Kunstler is the widow of William Kunstler, the famous, or infamous (your choice) attorney who represented The Chicago Seven, John Gotti, and many high-profile defendants.
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NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:09 am
"Attorney with ability to contact Assange (¶15dii): Margaret Kunstler"

Dear god. For the oldsters among us, Margaret Ratner Kunstler is the widow of William Kunstler, the famous, or infamous (your choice) attorney who represented The Chicago Seven, John Gotti, and many high-profile defendants.
Thanks, I didn't make the connection.
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Breaking: The FBI has arrested Roger Stone, his lawyer tells CNN. CNN witnessed uniformed and armed law enforcement approach his house just after 6 am in Fort Lauderdale.

Pounding on his door one agent said: ‘FBI open the door.
Pretty sure the agent said: "FBI! Open the Door!!!!!". ;)
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You gotta love these passages in the indictment when it becomes clear the rats are panicking and turning on each other...
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Edit to add: It's really uncool to threaten another person's dog.
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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:20 am

NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:09 am
"Attorney with ability to contact Assange (¶15dii): Margaret Kunstler"

Dear god. For the oldsters among us, Margaret Ratner Kunstler is the widow of William Kunstler, the famous, or infamous (your choice) attorney who represented The Chicago Seven, John Gotti, and many high-profile defendants.
And was found to have committed ineffective assistance of counsel in the only (to my knowledge) military case he ever tried.
The Court of Military Appeals wrote:Representing Lonetree at trial were civilian counsel William H. Kunstler and Michael V. Stuhff, as well as military counsel Major David N. Henderson and Captain Andy Strotman. Lonetree asserts that his civilian counsel erred by failing “to explore the possibilities of a pretrial agreement, negotiate with the Government over the terms of such an agreement, and present a potential pretrial agreement to their client for his consideration.” Brief for Appellant at 18.

As the basis for his claim, Lonetree details civilian counsels’ total hostility to entering a plea bargain that might have resulted in a 10-, rather than a 25-, year sentence. Lonetree’s affidavit describes his civilian counsels’ assurances that he was not “legally guilty” and that he would prevail at trial, as well as their attempts to convince Lonetree that the Government’s case was racially motivated. The affidavit also relates how civilian counsel tried to poison Lonetree’s relationship with military defense counsel, particularly in regard to any plea agreements that Major Henderson might discuss. 31 MJ at 873 n.21. Additionally, Major Henderson provided an affidavit in which he voiced his frustration with the unreasonable views of Lonetree’s civilian counsel regarding a plea agreement. Id. at 875. Though Lonetree faced life imprisonment if convicted as charged, civilian counsel apparently only “wanted to deal in terms of one or two or maybe three years,” while Major Henderson believed, based on his discussions with trial counsel, that negotiations should begin in “the realm of 5 to 10 years.” Id. (quoting Henderson’s affidavit).

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Lonetree offers us colorable claims consistent with the existing record that civilian counsel offered him bizarre and untenable advice, consistently attempting to instill in him a distrust of his military counsel and consistently inducing him away from a plea bargain assuring him substantial leniency in the face of overwhelming evidence of his guilt. If true, it is more than a theoretical possibility that a DuBay hearing might yield a finding that civilian counsels’ level of advocacy fell “measurably below the performance … [ordinarily expected] of fallible lawyers.” See United States v. DiCupe, 21 MJ 440, 442 (CMA), cert. denied, 479 U.S. 826 (1986).

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We further wish to make clear that we do not intend to establish a precedent that every defendant alleging bad advice is entitled to a DuBay hearing or a rehearing. In this case, though, Lonetree offers a colorable scenario consistent with relief-worthy ineffective assistance and a record consistent with the claim. Given the degree of cooperation afforded by Lonetree to all authorities before civilian counsels’ intervention, and especially given the fact that his crimes came to light only by his own voluntary disclosure in the first instance, it seems at least a colorable argument that it was only civilian counsels’ advice and its consequences that left the young Marine with so heavy a sentence.
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Post by kate520 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:22 am

NMgirl wrote:
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"Attorney with ability to contact Assange (¶15dii): Margaret Kunstler"

Dear god. For the oldsters among us, Margaret Ratner Kunstler is the widow of William Kunstler, the famous, or infamous (your choice) attorney who represented The Chicago Seven, John Gotti, and many high-profile defendants.
He spoke at career day at my high school. My then-boyfriend was so impressed with him he decided to become a lawyer, then worked for oil companies his whole career. 🙄 I was, IIRC, not as bowled over. He seemed to be just like the other adults i didn’t like - loud and obnoxious. :lol:
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