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Post #301 by Kendra » Mon May 08, 2017 6:33 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/ ... n-hearing/

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Judge Robert B. King pointed out that, as of Monday, the "District Court here found the [ban] is on his campaign website."

The controversial plan was removed from Trump's campaign website Monday, shortly after White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters that he was unaware that the plan was still online.
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Heh. Any idea how long it will take for the judges to come back with an answer?



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Post #302 by Notorial Dissent » Mon May 08, 2017 6:40 pm

I think that's the first, and only, time I've heard the 4th described as "left leaning" but then again consider the source.


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Post #303 by bob » Mon May 08, 2017 6:59 pm

Notorial Dissent wrote:I think that's the first, and only, time I've heard the 4th described as "left leaning" but then again consider the source.

The 4th was traditionally one of the most conservative circuits, but that's less true now.

Of the active judges on the 4th, Reagan nominated one, GHWB nominated one, and Dubya nominated three; in contrast, Clinton nominated four, and Obama nominated six.

And, as noted elsewhere, two of the republican-nominated judges have recused themselves from this case.


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Post #304 by bob » Mon May 08, 2017 7:04 pm

In related news, the 9th's panel for Hawaii's case has been named: Hawkins, Gould, and Paez -- all Clinton nominees.


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Post #305 by Notorial Dissent » Mon May 08, 2017 7:34 pm

I always thought the 6th was considered the most conservative and the 9th as being way out there the other way.


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Post #306 by Kendra » Tue May 09, 2017 4:50 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... 021e9a5cda

WASHINGTON ― In a brief defending its ban on citizens from six Muslim-majority countries, President Donald Trump’s Justice Department approvingly cited a segregation-era Supreme Court decision that allowed Jackson, Mississippi, to close public pools rather than integrate them.

In the early 1960s, courts ordered Jackson to desegregate its public parks, which included five swimming pools. Instead, the city decided to close the pools. Black residents of Jackson sued. But in 1971, the Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, decided that closing the pools rather than integrating them was just fine.

The dissents, even at the time, were furious. “May a State in order to avoid integration of the races abolish all of its public schools?” Justice William O. Douglas asked in his dissent.



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Post #307 by Whatever4 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:59 pm

Kendra wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-travel-ban-cites-segregation-ruling_us_5910da0ee4b0e7021e9a5cda

WASHINGTON ― In a brief defending its ban on citizens from six Muslim-majority countries, President Donald Trump’s Justice Department approvingly cited a segregation-era Supreme Court decision that allowed Jackson, Mississippi, to close public pools rather than integrate them.

In the early 1960s, courts ordered Jackson to desegregate its public parks, which included five swimming pools. Instead, the city decided to close the pools. Black residents of Jackson sued. But in 1971, the Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, decided that closing the pools rather than integrating them was just fine.

The dissents, even at the time, were furious. “May a State in order to avoid integration of the races abolish all of its public schools?” Justice William O. Douglas asked in his dissent.


Have they no shame??


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Post #308 by Kendra » Tue May 09, 2017 6:02 pm

None.



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Post #309 by Sugar Magnolia » Tue May 09, 2017 6:18 pm

Kendra wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-administration-travel-ban-cites-segregation-ruling_us_5910da0ee4b0e7021e9a5cda

WASHINGTON ― In a brief defending its ban on citizens from six Muslim-majority countries, President Donald Trump’s Justice Department approvingly cited a segregation-era Supreme Court decision that allowed Jackson, Mississippi, to close public pools rather than integrate them.

In the early 1960s, courts ordered Jackson to desegregate its public parks, which included five swimming pools. Instead, the city decided to close the pools. Black residents of Jackson sued. But in 1971, the Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, decided that closing the pools rather than integrating them was just fine.

The dissents, even at the time, were furious. “May a State in order to avoid integration of the races abolish all of its public schools?” Justice William O. Douglas asked in his dissent.

I pass one of those pools every time I go to quilting. It was a beautiful thing, with a fountain in the middle, and not actually a pool at all, but a lake. We watched a lot of underwater duck races there in high school.



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Post #310 by Addie » Wed May 10, 2017 4:29 pm

Kansas City Star

Federal judge rejects appeal, orders Kobach to hand over documents from Trump meeting

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has lost his appeal and has been ordered to turn over documents from his meeting with President Donald Trump to the ACLU by Friday.

U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson on Wednesday upheld an earlier order from a federal magistrate judge requiring Kobach to hand over the documents as part of an ongoing voting rights lawsuit against his office.

Kobach met with Trump in November and was photographed carrying a document labeled as a strategic plan for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The plan included a reference to voting rolls. The American Civil Liberties Union has sought access to the documents, contending that if Kobach lobbied Trump on changes to federal voting law it would be relevant to the case.

The judge’s order also will require Kobach to hand over a draft of a proposed amendment, which he has crafted and shared with employees in his office, that would make changes to the National Voter Registration Act.



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Trump immigration adviser ordered to turn over briefing document

A federal magistrate has ordered one of President Donald Trump's key campaign advisers on immigration to turn over a document he used to brief the president-elect during the transition.

Magistrate Judge James O'Hara issued an order Wednesday requiring Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to give the court a copy of the memo he took into a meeting with Trump at the president’s Bedminster, N.J., golf club last November.



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Post #311 by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed May 10, 2017 4:32 pm

Kendra wrote:None.

And no cases to support them other than Jim Crow stuff.


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Post #312 by Notorial Dissent » Wed May 10, 2017 7:53 pm

And this would be a surprise why??? Just typical and sad.


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Post #313 by Butterfly Bilderberg » Fri May 12, 2017 12:17 am

Trump Ordered to Turn Over Giuliani Memo in Travel Ban Suit

The Trump Administration was ordered by a federal judge to disclose a memo drafted under the guidance of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani that allegedly served as an outline to make the president’s travel ban look like it wasn’t aimed at Muslims.

While running for president, Donald Trump asked Giuliani to form a commission that would help draft a “Muslim ban” to “show [him] the right way to do it legally" after his initial proposal drew widespread public condemnation, according to a court filing by the Arab American Civil Rights League. The commission then recommended that “nationality be used as a proxy for religion,” the group said in the filing.

U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts in Detroit on Thursday directed the president to produce the document by May 19.


https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... l-ban-suit

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Post #314 by Patagoniagirl » Fri May 12, 2017 12:20 am

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Post #315 by Dolly » Fri May 12, 2017 2:18 am

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Addie wrote:Kansas City Star

Federal judge rejects appeal, orders Kobach to hand over documents from Trump meeting

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has lost his appeal and has been ordered to turn over documents from his meeting with President Donald Trump to the ACLU by Friday.

U.S. District Judge Julie Robinson on Wednesday upheld an earlier order from a federal magistrate judge requiring Kobach to hand over the documents as part of an ongoing voting rights lawsuit against his office.

Kobach met with Trump in November and was photographed carrying a document labeled as a strategic plan for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The plan included a reference to voting rolls. The American Civil Liberties Union has sought access to the documents, contending that if Kobach lobbied Trump on changes to federal voting law it would be relevant to the case.

The judge’s order also will require Kobach to hand over a draft of a proposed amendment, which he has crafted and shared with employees in his office, that would make changes to the National Voter Registration Act.

Kris Kobach
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Did you read The Washington Times article on the President's Election Integrity Commission? I am honored that President Donald J. Trump appointed me to serve as Vice Chair of this commission, along with Vice President Mike Pence who will serve as Chair. #StopVoterFraud #SecureElections

Donald Trump to sign order creating voter-fraud panel
President Trump will sign an executive order Thursday creating a long-awaited commission to investigate voter fraud and elections, a senior administration official confirmed.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/ ... aud-panel/


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Post #316 by Dolly » Fri May 12, 2017 2:28 am

Kendra posted on Mon May 08, 2017 3:33 pm
Kendra wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/4th-circuit-court-of-appeals-travel-ban-hearing/

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Judge Robert B. King pointed out that, as of Monday, the "District Court here found the [ban] is on his campaign website."

The controversial plan was removed from Trump's campaign website Monday, shortly after White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters that he was unaware that the plan was still online.
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Heh. Any idea how long it will take for the judges to come back with an answer?


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All of Trump’s campaign statements just vanished from his website.So let’s remember them.

The Trump campaign website got an upgrade this week. According to a news release from the president's reelection campaign (yes, already), it's now a one-stop shop for “fact-based information” that the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about.

On donaldjtrump.com, you can check out never-before-seen rally photos, buy merchandise and get the real, unfiltered scoop on what your president is up to.

Sounds pretty handy. One problem: The website revamp also appears to have vanished every single news release and public statement issued during President Trump's first campaign.

Gone is Trump's call in 2015 for a ban on Muslim visitors, which The Washington Post's Fred Barbash wrote about in detail.

But gone also is his famous statement on “COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL”; and the less-famous one comparing refugees to car payments; and the write-up of “TRUMP'S 'VERY GOOD' ECONOMIC SPEECH.”

You'll notice we're still linking to these items. <BIG SNIP - I didn't carry over the hyper-links>

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Post #317 by bob » Mon May 15, 2017 5:03 pm

In related news, the 9th's panel for Hawaii's case has been named: Hawkins, Gould, and Paez -- all Clinton nominees.

Arguments were heard this morning.


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Post #318 by Kendra » Mon May 15, 2017 5:12 pm

Thanks, I was out and missed the broadcast. Did get home in time to see the local media livestreaming the HI AG answering media questions. The government attorneys didn't join in.



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Post #319 by Plutodog » Tue May 16, 2017 2:32 am

https://www.c-span.org/video/?427827-1/ ... travel-ban
C-Span broadcast of 9th Circuit Court Case Monday


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Post #320 by maydijo » Thu May 18, 2017 7:10 pm

So, I have this friend, Marge, who has been married to her husband Homer for a good 10+ years. (Obviously the names have been changed here.) Marge is American, Homer is Australian, and they've spent all but about 9 months of their married life (while Homer was working in Canada) in Australia. Marge is now an Australian citizen. Homer and Marge have two children, Lisa and Maggie, who are also dual US-Australian citizens. (They're adopted; they were born in the US but have since obtained Australian citizenship.) In October last year, Homer and Marge decided to move back to the US. But Homer decided he didn't want to go for a Green Card; he thought he'd come over on a tourist visa, find a job, and get sponsorship. I tried telling them that was a really bad idea. (His plan was to become a primary school teacher in Utah. You don't need a teaching degree to be a primary school teacher in Utah, but there are also an overabundance of primary school teachers in Utah, and the chance of finding a job where someone would be willing to sponsor an applicant without a teaching degree, when there are several applicants for every available position, is really slim. Not to mention, he's on six-figures here, and would be more than halving his pay to become a primary school teacher in Utah.) After the election I tried telling them it was a really, really, really bad idea, especially as Marge has ongoing chronic health conditions and they'd be making the move from a country with socialised medicine to a country with a healthcare system in turmoil. They persisted. Then immigration shit hit the fan, stories came out of Aussies being detained at the border, we reconsidered an upcoming vacation to the US, and still they persisted. He quit his job and posted on Facebook that they were moving to the US; they packed up their house to have it shipped over and took a bit of time off to travel through the Outback with one final trip to Bali. They were supposed to arrive in the US today. I woke up to an e-mail from Marge. Marge, Lisa and Maggie are all in LA, but Homer's electronic visa application was denied. He's still in Sydney and hoping a trip to the US Consulate will straighten it out and allow him to fly across to join his family. Who knows if they'll reconsider.

On the one hand, what they were trying to do was clearly dodgy, and I have a feeling his visa was denied specifically because he'd posted on Facebook a couple of times that they were moving to the US. But on the other hand, until very recently, if you had an Australian passport it was pretty much a rubber stamp job that they'd let you into the country. Even if they thought there was a chance you'd be immigrating, if you had been married to an American citizen for a long period of time, they'd still let you in because, until recently, if you'd been married to an American citizen for 5+ years, actually getting a Green Card was considered a mere formality - there was no way you'd be denied one. Yesterday, with the appointment of a special prosecutor, I allowed myself to get excited and think, Wow, we might be going to Hawaii after all! But now, I'm just not sure. We don't want to move to the US; but I also don't want to be in a position where my husband's denied a tourist visa, because that would mean that any other US visa he wants in the future would be much more difficult to get.



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Post #321 by Suranis » Fri May 19, 2017 7:48 am

Your friends husband is clearly nuts, or is going through some kind of mid life crises. However I have the feeling that there is more goiong on here than you know. Why Utah? Why is he so confident of finding work? Why this stupid plan of getting sponsored? SOMETHING or someone put this idea in his head, and my "Something dodgy" detector is buzzing like crazy in my head.

Anyway even if you get sponsored you have to leave the US if on a tourist visa and reapply for ANOTHER visa to come back in, and that will take time. I looked at that a few years ago. Unless you have lots of cash to bribe someone you simply can't swap visas while you are in the country. It is all round a BAD idea, and in this era of overeager Customs guys they will be all too eager to throw the stupid foreigner out on his ear.

Tell his wife that he needs six inches of stiletto up his ass, and she needs to ultimatum his ass into getting his old job back.


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Post #322 by Mikedunford » Fri May 19, 2017 8:46 am

The whole "out of country" thing with visas doesn't just apply to tourist visas, either. A guy I went to law school with was a Canadian research biologist who'd been employed by NOAA (or as a NOAA contractor, I forget which) for years. He was in the US on a work visa, not a green card, so right after he started law school he had to fly back to Canada to get a student visa and re-enter the US on that one.


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Post #323 by maydijo » Fri May 19, 2017 8:53 am

Suranis wrote:Your friends husband is clearly nuts, or is going through some kind of mid life crises. However I have the feeling that there is more goiong on here than you know. Why Utah? Why is he so confident of finding work? Why this stupid plan of getting sponsored? SOMETHING or someone put this idea in his head, and my "Something dodgy" detector is buzzing like crazy in my head.

Anyway even if you get sponsored you have to leave the US if on a tourist visa and reapply for ANOTHER visa to come back in, and that will take time. I looked at that a few years ago. Unless you have lots of cash to bribe someone you simply can't swap visas while you are in the country. It is all round a BAD idea, and in this era of overeager Customs guys they will be all too eager to throw the stupid foreigner out on his ear.

Tell his wife that he needs six inches of stiletto up his ass, and she needs to ultimatum his ass into getting his old job back.


It was kind of her idea more than his. He's had to move the family around for work a fair bit; he hates his job; she hates everywhere they live; he said, you get to choose where we live next, and she said Utah. She's been working on a PhD in Mormon history for 10 years now. She blames him for it not being done and I think he figured if they moved, she could either finish it or stop blaming him for it not being finished. Clearly neither one did their homework. And yes, since it's Utah - home of the pyramid scheme - I wouldn't be surprised if there was something dodgy going on, like a Herbalife representative promising he could get them a visa if they could sign up 10 of their nearest and dearest friends. Even now they have friends on Facebook saying things like, "I own a pest control company, I'll sponsor you!" I don't think they understand just how difficult/expensive it is to sponsor someone; and is it even possible to be sponsored for a visa for pest control? I think it's highly unlikely a public school would go to the effort of sponsoring someone for a teaching position, unless we're talking university level. I think they got carried away with the idea. There's a part of me (the mean, bitchy part) that thinks it's kind of fair, since he was essentially going over there to find work on a tourist visa, which is illegal, and immigration spotted it. But there's another part of me (the nice friend part) that thinks it really sucks, because as the spouse of an American citizen he's not likely to be turned down for an immigration visa anyway, so what's the big deal.

They are slowly waking up to reality. She has e-mailed me to say it'll probably take "weeks or months" to get his visa. I've refrained from saying "more like months or years." He is still angry that it's happened and thinks it must just be a screw-up somewhere, like maybe there's another guy with his name who is on the no-fly list and there's been a mistake, and now he's paying for someone else's crime. Neither one of them has twigged that posting on Facebook, "I've quit my job and we're moving to the US!" was probably a pretty big red flag for the immigration department.



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Post #324 by maydijo » Fri May 19, 2017 8:57 am

Mikedunford wrote:The whole "out of country" thing with visas doesn't just apply to tourist visas, either. A guy I went to law school with was a Canadian research biologist who'd been employed by NOAA (or as a NOAA contractor, I forget which) for years. He was in the US on a work visa, not a green card, so right after he started law school he had to fly back to Canada to get a student visa and re-enter the US on that one.


I had to do that years ago with my student visa for Australia. I was in the country with a tourist visa and had to leave to apply for a student visa. I called up the consulate in Auckland and asked how long it'd take; they told me two days, so I scheduled my flight to arrive in Auckland five days before term started and arrive back in Melbourne the day before term started. I rocked up to the consulate my first morning in Auckland and submitted my paperwork and they said, "Alright, come back in two weeks to collect your visa." I broke down. I argued with them and said I was told it'd only take two days. They talked down to me and told me nobody would've said that, I was clearly mistaken, and I'd just have to wait my term. I called my boyfriend (now husband) in tears; he told his mother, who called the consulate and was also told it'd take two days to process a student visa, and then called her local MP (who was an acquaintance) and sicced her on them. The next day when I went in to ask if there'd been any progress, boy did I cop it! "Who are you and why you are so important? Do you realise we've had a Member of Parliament on the phone just for your visa?" But my visa was done that afternoon. The MP was Charmaine Stone. I love that woman. :lovestruck:



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Post #325 by maydijo » Fri May 19, 2017 8:28 pm

Update on my friend's situation: They've since deleted all posts related to him being denied a visa (I'm pretty sure it was because I e-mailed her and said that Immigration checks Facebook) but there was a doozy this morning. One of their friends was saying, "Just sneak across the border, it can' t be that hard!" Yep. I'm sure it was just a joke, but comments encouraging illegal immigration/visa fraud are EXACTLY what you want on Facebook when you're trying to straighten out a messy situation.

I've been reading some information on immigration visas and I'm just very happy my husband and I have no intention of going that route. Applying for my Australian residency was stressful enough, I can't imagine willingly putting yourself through that again.




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