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Post by Addie » Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:59 am

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Trump on Sessions: 'I don't have an attorney general'

US President Donald Trump has said he does not "have an attorney general" in his fiercest attack yet on Jeff Sessions.

In an interview with Hill.TV, Mr Trump renewed criticism of Mr Sessions' decision to step aside from the inquiry into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election.

He also said he was unhappy with Mr Sessions' response to immigration.

The attorney general is yet to respond to Mr Trump's comments.

It is unusual for a sitting president to attack their attorney general and critics accuse Mr Trump of trying to meddle in the legal system.


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How DOJ, FBI, and ODNI will go about releasing documents in Trump's declassification order

Washington (CNN)The Justice Department and the FBI are working with the Director of National Intelligence to prepare new declassified versions of documents related to the Russia investigation with redactions, which is part of the typical procedure, following President Donald Trump's highly unprecedented order to declassify several documents and text messages. ...

Some of the documents and text messages ordered for declassification have been previously released with redactions. These previously released documents are expected to have fewer redactions and documents that have not been previously released will be redacted and sent to the White House counsel for approval.

This is all part of the standard operating process for declassification, and the President can then order the agencies to make fewer redactions.

Trump floated the idea of declassification for several weeks, but Monday's order was the first time the full breadth of his intentions was articulated, making clear that he expects materials to be released despite the fact that there's an active investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into any links between his campaign associates and the Russian government.


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Ex-CIA Dir. Michael Hayden on CNN says Trump's declassification order is pushing institutions to a point where officials may have to disobey "egregious" directives from Trump.

Hayden says "it becomes quite clear that we are at that point" where Wray and Coats may have to resign.



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WaPo - Philip Bump
Trump ordered the government to declassify information he apparently hasn’t read

It wasn’t a surprise when the White House announced Monday that it was ordering the Justice Department to declassify a set of material related to the genesis of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. For weeks, President Trump’s allies on Fox News and in the House had been echoing each other’s calls to do precisely that.

Media Matters even made a compilation of those requests.

So on Monday, that very specific order from Trump: Declassify precisely those pages of the application for a warrant to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page that were mentioned in a news conference held by 12 staunchly Trump-loyal members of the House in September. What’s more, Trump ordered the department to declassify text messages involving a number of names familiar to the Fox News audience. Former FBI agent Peter Strzok, Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and so on.

Those elected officials and the Fox News hosts who echoed their demand insisted that the declassifications would demonstrate anti-Trump rot in the Justice Department. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) promised that revelation would help Republicans win in November.

It’s odd, though, that Fox News’s Sean Hannity or Lou Dobbs would call for the revelation of classified material, given that neither has security clearance allowing them to know what was actually contained in the documents. They, it seems, were relying on the analysis of people like Nunes and Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Mark Meadows (R-N.C.). They were calling for something to be declassified just assuming that it was what was promised.


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Post by much ado » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:52 pm

Addie wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:36 pm
WaPo - Philip Bump
Trump ordered the government to declassify information he apparently hasn’t read
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They were calling for something to be declassified just assuming that it was what was promised.
That seems like it might be a recipe for disaster, dunnit? Suppose there are people in the intelligence community who are pissed off at Trump and want to teach him a lesson. They might ensure interesting tidbits are disclosed, might they not?



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Post by much ado » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:56 pm

And this seems to be Republicans believing their own propaganda, again.



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Post by Kendra » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:22 pm

It was Senator Warner who noted yesterday that they should be careful what they wish for (he's seen most of this stuff).



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Trump feels angry, unprotected amid mounting crises

President Trump’s declaration that “I don’t have an attorney general” was not merely the cry of an executive feeling betrayed by a subordinate.

It was also a raw expression of vulnerability and anger from a president who associates say increasingly believes he is unprotected — with the Russia investigation steamrolling ahead, anonymous administration officials seeking to undermine him and a referendum looming in the Nov. 6 midterm elections, the results of which could potentially lead to impeachment proceedings. ...

The president’s attack on Sessions raised concern in the law enforcement community and also prompted reactions ranging from exasperation to outright dismay among Trump’s allies.

“Trump doesn’t just blur the lines, he flat out tries to eradicate those lines,” said Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney in Alabama nominated by President Barack Obama. “He wants a consigliere, not an attorney general. On the one hand, it’s a pitiful thing to watch, but it’s also deadly serious, because the attorney general does not protect the president. The attorney general protects the American people. And the fact that we have a president who doesn’t understand that is alarming.”

A former White House official was similarly disturbed. “It is a complete disgrace the way that Trump is acting like a schoolyard bully against Sessions,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share a critical opinion. “I understand his frustration. I understand why he feels the way that he does. But what a child. What an absolute baby. He’s disgracing himself.”


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Brennan: FBI Has "Obligation" To Circumvent Trump, Took Constitutional Oath To United States

Former CIA director and MSNBC contributor John Brennan called on FBI director Christopher Wray, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to "push back" on any directive from the White House that may have a "negative impact" on the Mueller investigation.

Brennan called on "individuals of conscience" in the administration to remember that they took an oath of office not an oath to Donald Trump. Moments prior Brennan admonished people who are abusing their powers to "protect" Trump.

"I think that they should continue to push, push, push, and if Mr. Tump and the White House does not relent, then they have some decisions to make, and whether or not they are going to the just not follow that direction and be fired or to resign," Brennan said of the trio.

"A number of individuals are trying to protect Mr. Trump and abusing their authorities and their powers, whether it be in Congress or within the executive branch," Brennan said on MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Reports. "And this is something that I am hoping that individuals of conscience are going to stop and prevent because I am concerned that this is just one indication that Mr. Trump is going to increasingly look for steps to take in order to further to try to subvert the Mueller investigation."

"I think that they should continue to push, push, push, and if Mr. Tump and the White House does not relent, then they have some decisions to make, and whether or not they are going to the just not follow that direction and be fired or to resign, but if they really believe this is going to have serious impact, the national security law enforcement, and judicial process, they have an obligation since they took the oath of office to the constitution of the United States and not Mr. Trump to uphold their responsibilities and their agency and the departments' authorities," Brennan said.


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The Hill
Sessions is not there to do Trump's bidding, says Dem rep

Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) said on Thursday that Attorney General Jeff Sessions is not in his post to do President Trump's bidding and that he should remain in his job as long as justice is being carried out.

"I think that the attorney general is not there to do the bidding of the president in any private way. He's not there to protect the president. He is there to assure that justice is done, and as long as he's doing that, I think he merits staying in office," Green told Hill.TV's Buck Sexton and Krystal Ball on "Rising."

"I'll leave it to the president as to whether he wants to be so bold as to fire an attorney general after having fired Mr. Comey for Mr. Comey's investigating his campaign's involvement with Russians and the election," he continued, referring to former FBI director James Comey.

The Texas congressman's comments come after Trump blasted Sessions in an interview with Hill.TV this week, saying that he did not have an attorney general.



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Post by RoadScholar » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:15 am

...but her emails! :brickwallsmall:


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RoadScholar wrote:
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...but her emails! :brickwallsmall:
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Post by Addie » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:34 pm

The Hill
Republicans threaten to subpoena Nellie Ohr

Conservative House Republicans are calling on their colleagues to subpoena Nellie Ohr, the wife of Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, after a deal fell apart this week that would have led to her voluntary testimony.

“Now that Nellie Ohr is not coming in it is time to subpoena her and get her in as soon as possible,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said in an interview with The Hill.

He called it “unfortunate” that Ohr would not come in as planned on Friday for a deposition.

A Republican House Judiciary Committee aide separately told The Hill that the committee will use its subpoena power to try to compel Ohr to testify if she does not agree to do so voluntarily.

It’s unclear why the deal fell apart to have Ohr interviewed behind closed doors with the House Judiciary and House Oversight and Government Reform committees.



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Post by Kendra » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:34 pm

Any word yet on the status of all those documents from closed hearings that Nunes promised to release? His statements on Fox on Sunday sure sounded like they were imminent...



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:confused: Confusing title.

Politico
Trump slows release of Russia investigation documents

President Donald Trump on Friday slowed down plans to declassify and release sensitive documents connected to the FBI's Russia investigation, citing a "perceived negative impact" on the probe and concerns raised by "key allies" about dumping the materials.

"Therefore, the Inspector General ... has been asked to review these documents on an expedited basis," Trump tweeted Friday morning. "I believe he will move quickly on this (and hopefully other things which he is looking at). In the end I can always declassify if it proves necessary. Speed is very important to me — and everyone!"

Trump has sought the release of classified portions of a surveillance warrant application used to target former campaign adviser Carter Page. He also wants to release the interview notes of a top Justice Department official and the text messages sent by former FBI Director James Comey and other senior bureau officials.



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Post by Addie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:57 am

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Trump just walked back his controversial order to declassify Russia investigation information

Four days after issuing a controversial, wide-ranging instruction to the Justice Department to declassify and publicly release a great deal of material related to the Russia investigation without redactions, President Donald Trump said, essentially, never mind.

Trump tweeted Friday that he had heard concerns from both the Justice Department and “key Allies” about his instruction. Therefore, he said, he’d asked the inspector general “to review these documents on an expedited basis.” The exact meaning of his tweets isn’t clear, but they appear to represent a near-total walkback of his earlier announcement. ...

As written, Trump’s order — in a statement released by White House press secretary Sarah Sanders Monday — was shockingly broad. He called for the “immediate” declassification of certain documents related to the FISA wiretap on Carter Page and the FBI’s use of the Steele dossier. But he also demanded “all text messages related to the Russia investigation” from four former FBI officials and one current Justice Department official be released — “without redaction.”

Though these documents would have been fascinating for journalists and historians to review, Trump’s goal clearly wasn’t transparency — he was searching for more ammunition to further attack and discredit the Mueller probe publicly.

But there were many problems with his order.



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NYT: Rosenstein Suggested Secretly Recording Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment:
The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.

Mr. Rosenstein made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Mr. Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Mr. Trump had asked Mr. Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide.

Mr. Rosenstein was just two weeks into his job. He had begun overseeing the Russia investigation and played a key role in the president’s dismissal of Mr. Comey by writing a memo critical of his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But Mr. Rosenstein was caught off guard when Mr. Trump cited the memo in the firing, and he began telling people that he feared he had been used.

Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The people were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. McCabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments.

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Mr. Rosenstein disputed this account.

“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” he said in a statement. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment.”

A Justice Department spokeswoman also provided a statement from a person who was present when Mr. Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire. The person, who would not be named, acknowledged the remark but said Mr. Rosenstein made it sarcastically.


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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:04 pm

Addie wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:57 am
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Trump just walked back his controversial order to declassify Russia investigation information

...

As written, Trump’s order — in a statement released by White House press secretary Sarah Sanders Monday — was shockingly broad. He called for the “immediate” declassification of certain documents related to the FISA wiretap on Carter Page and the FBI’s use of the Steele dossier. But he also demanded “all text messages related to the Russia investigation” from four former FBI officials and one current Justice Department official be released — “without redaction.”

Though these documents would have been fascinating for journalists and historians to review, Trump’s goal clearly wasn’t transparency — he was searching for more ammunition to further attack and discredit the Mueller probe publicly.

But there were many problems with his order.
I remember a democratic senator (forget the name) who had seen these documents warn trump to be careful what he wished for, suggesting the docs aren't going to show trump what he, dobbs and hannity hoped they would show. Seems like national security would be the easiest excuse to back off from that. However, I'm sure they'll still cherrypick whatever is favorable and continue to classify what isn't.


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bob wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:57 pm
NYT: Rosenstein Suggested Secretly Recording Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment:
The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit.

Mr. Rosenstein made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Mr. Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Mr. Trump had asked Mr. Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide.

Mr. Rosenstein was just two weeks into his job. He had begun overseeing the Russia investigation and played a key role in the president’s dismissal of Mr. Comey by writing a memo critical of his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But Mr. Rosenstein was caught off guard when Mr. Trump cited the memo in the firing, and he began telling people that he feared he had been used.

Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The people were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. McCabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments.

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Mr. Rosenstein disputed this account.

“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” he said in a statement. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment.”

A Justice Department spokeswoman also provided a statement from a person who was present when Mr. Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire. The person, who would not be named, acknowledged the remark but said Mr. Rosenstein made it sarcastically.


Trump TV is jumping all over this.



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Post by Kendra » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:34 pm

OT, but this after the NYT piece broke:


My god I put my phone down for 15 minutes and the news just refuses to end please make it end.



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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:53 am

Axios: Trump at war (with his own government)
WaPo - Aaron Blake: 4 things we need to know about the Rod Rosenstein bombshell
The Hill: House Judiciary on NY Times article: I intend to subpoena 'McCabe Memos'



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Post by Orlylicious » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:17 pm

All this stupid Fox News theatre, having Bill Shine at the White House, it's all so yuck. House only is in for FOUR MORE DAYS so keep that in mind.

President Donald Trump’s top congressional allies have spent months building a case for Rosenstein’s ouster, even threatening to impeach him in July. But after an explosive New York Times report Friday that Rosenstein discussed invoking the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office — and proposed wearing a wire to spy on the president — Trump’s allies have been muted.

House Freedom Caucus leaders Mark Meadows and Jim Jordan, who led a charge to impeach Rosenstein this summer, have said they want to hear from Rosenstein and see documents allegedly describing the comments before they decide what to do. That’s awarded Rosenstein a courtesy they’ve never given him in the past. "I think Rod needs to come before Congress this week and explain under oath what exactly he said and didn't say,” Meadows said at the Values Voters Summit Saturday.

The newfound hesitation to oust Rosenstein highlights a cautious approach Trump allies have adopted as the Republican party barrels toward a potential bloodbath in the midterms. Some Republicans fear Trump firing Rosenstein now would only further energize Democrats making the case to voters that the president is corrupt and needs to be reined in by a Democratic House.

House Republicans are also facing a time crunch. GOP leaders plan to cancel all October votes to allow members to campaign, leaving little time to go after Rosenstein. In fact, Trump allies have just four days to come up with a plan — which could be why they appear likely to delay any action until after the election.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ump-836451

The earlier effort to impeach Rosenstein appeared to have stalled. It had 15 cosponsors in the House before lawmakers left for the August recess, and no one has signed the document since then.

Not everyone appears to have gotten the memo, however. Conservative news personalities Jeanine Pirro, Matt Schlapp and Laura Ingraham all called on Trump to fire Rosenstein over the Times report.

Ingraham, however, later deleted a tweet that read, "Rod Rosenstein must be fired today."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... ump-836451

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Post by pipistrelle » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:53 am

I could be wrong, but Rosenstein strikes me as a relatively straight arrow.



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pipistrelle wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:53 am
I could be wrong, but Rosenstein strikes me as a relatively straight arrow.
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