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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:51 pm

Can we have some actual sourcing for that claim about McConnell than a meme, please? Actually taking campaign contributions from a foreign country is a crime. Being the unknowing beneficiary of possibly laundered foreign donations to the NRA is not.

Also, PoliticusUSA, I'm sorry to say, is more or less the left wing equivalent of Breitbart. Again, better sources please.


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Post by RVInit » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:09 pm

I have no idea on McConnell's possible involvement in anything Russia. But, there is no doubt that he blocked a bipartisan statement to inform the public about Russian hacking and other activities Russians undertook to sway the US election.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... terference
Biden: McConnell Refused To Sign Bipartisan Statement On Russian Interference
http://www.businessinsider.com/biden-mi ... sia-2018-1
Biden: McConnell stopped Obama from calling out Russia's election meddling


This one is a great read. I included a small portion of it.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... -spotlight
McConnell’s response to Russian attack is back in the spotlight

But of particular interest is the idea that Trump’s predecessor sat on his hands and let the intervention happen. There’s certainly room for debate about whether Obama could have gone further, but it’s factually wrong to say he “did nothing.” What the Democratic president did was try to generate bipartisan support for an American response to a foreign attack – which did not happen in large part because Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell didn’t want it to.
Republican strategist John Weaver, who helped run John McCain’s and John Kasich’s presidential campaigns, said over the weekend that it’s time to “revisit why [McConnell] refused to join [Obama] in warning America the Russians had attacked us.” Former Vice President Joe Biden recently raised related concerns.
Former Vice President Joe Biden says he and President Barack Obama decided not to speak out publicly on Russian interference during the 2016 campaign after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell refused to sign a bipartisan statement condemning the Kremlin’s role.
Speaking on Tuesday at the Council on Foreign Relations, Biden said the Obama administration sought a united front to dispel concerns that going public with such accusations would be seen as an effort to undermine the legitimacy of the election.
However, McConnell “wanted no part of having a bipartisan commitment saying, essentially, ‘Russia’s doing this. Stop,’ ” he said.
I’m glad this comes up from time to time, because it’s an under-appreciated part of the larger controversy.

As recently as July, NBC News’ Kasie Hunt asked McConnell if he regrets the way he handled the threat at the time. The Senate GOP leader responded by dodging the question entirely.
And that’s a shame because McConnell owes the public a better answer
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:31 pm

Reprint with updates.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... -campaigns

I can't locate the article from whence the meme allegedly came.


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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm

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Wife of former Trump adviser appears on Capitol Hill

WASHINGTON (AP) — The wife of former Donald Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos was on Capitol Hill Wednesday speaking to Democrats on the House intelligence committee.

Simona Mangiante Papadopoulos? was doing the interview with Democrats who are frustrated that the GOP-led House intelligence committee would not call more witnesses before it completed its Russia investigation earlier this year.

Papadopoulos pleaded guilty last year to lying to investigators about his contacts with people linked to Russia during the campaign. He then became a key cooperator for special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian election interference and possible coordination with Trump's associates. Papadopoulos is expected to be sentenced in September. ...

The GOP-led intelligence panel's report issued this Spring said the probe found no evidence of "collusion, coordination or conspiracy" between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Democrats were furious, saying the Republicans had blocked many witnesses Democrats has wanted to call. Among those were Maria Butina, a 29-year-old gun-rights activist who was charged this week with being a covert Russian agent who gathered intelligence on American officials.


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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:14 pm

BuzzFeed News
Senate Intel Had Asked For Financial Documents On The Russian Gun Rights Activist

Last year, the Senate Intelligence Committee requested financial transactions on Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin that banks deemed to be "suspicious" or "derogatory."


The top congressional committee investigating Russian election interference had been probing the finances of a 29-year-old Russian gun rights activist before she was arrested and charged by the US on Sunday with being an agent of the Kremlin and attempting to influence US politics.

Federal authorities charged Maria Butina with working “as an agent of a foreign government, specifically the Russian Federation,” without notifying the US government as the law requires. Butina had helped try to set up a secret meeting between then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin during the 2016 election.

Butina is being held without bond pending a hearing Wednesday. The case is not a part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, but was brought by the US Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Justice Department. ...

The Senate Intelligence Committee, which has taken the lead on congressional Russia investigations, took an interest in Butina and Torshin last year, requesting information on the pair from the Treasury Department. Butina, who founded a gun rights group called Right to Bear Arms, also has longtime links to the NRA. In January, McClatchy reported that the FBI was investigating whether Torshin illegally channeled money to the NRA to help Trump.

In a letter sent to a top Treasury official on Aug. 11, 2017, the committee requested details of any financial transactions dating back five years related to Butina and Torshin that banks deemed to be "suspicious" or "derogatory." Additionally, the committee sought the same type of records on Paul Erickson, the Republican operative who also tried to get Torshin a meeting with Trump. Though BuzzFeed News has previously reported on the letters’ existence, Butina, Torshin, and Erickson’s names were not reported at the time. ...

Several months ago, Butina “voluntarily and privately testified” before the committee “for 8 hours and produced thousands of documents,” according to her lawyer. “Ms. Butina has been cooperating with various government entities for months regarding public allegations related to her contacts with various American and Russian individuals,” attorney Robert Driscoll said in a statement Monday.


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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:15 pm

The Hill
Senate resolution backs intelligence community on Russian meddling

Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.) are introducing a resolution supporting the intelligence community's assessment that Russia meddled in the 2016 election days after President Trump voiced skepticism about Moscow's election interference.

Flake and Coons said on Wednesday that they will try to pass their resolution on Thursday. Under Senate rules, any one senator will be able to block them.

The resolution doesn't directly mention Trump but comes after the president on Monday refused to denounce Russia's election meddling and appeared to echo Russian President Vladimir Putin's denial of Moscow's work to influence the election.

"This body must reaffirm that we stand with the men and women of the Department of Justice. ... I hope the president will take the word of our intelligence agencies rather than the empty words of a dictator," Flake said in a statement.

Coons added that in light of Trump's comments this week "it’s important for the Senate to speak in a clear, bipartisan voice to say that we stand with and believe our Department of Justice and our Intelligence Community and that we will not tolerate future attacks from Russia or anyone else on our democracy."

The resolution would commend the Justice Department for investigating Russia's election interference.


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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:19 pm

Apparently, an interview in April; updated today.

Lafayette Daily Advertiser
U.S. Rep. Clay Higgins said that intended interference in the country’s elections is “worse than people know.”

“The roots are deeper than people know … When you start pulling that curtain back and seeing what’s there, any American would be alarmed, and should be alarmed,” Higgins told The Daily Advertiser in April.

Higgins is vice chairman of the House Subcommittee on Oversight for Science, Space and Technology. As such, he said he has been privy to confidential briefings about suspected interference in U.S. elections, particularly from elements in Russia.

“The level of interference, and intended interference, and ongoing intended interference from bad actors is very significant, and a tremendous amount is being done,” Higgins said. “However, I’m not satisfied at all with the response from some elements within the Department of Justice.”

Higgins said he was not unhappy with the Department of Justice as a whole, but is worried that some “bad actors” may try to hinder investigations into alleged interference.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:38 pm

Addie wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:15 pm
The Hill
Senate resolution backs intelligence community on Russian meddling

Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Chris Coons (D-Del.) are introducing a resolution supporting the intelligence community's assessment that Russia meddled in the 2016 election days after President Trump voiced skepticism about Moscow's election interference.

Flake and Coons said on Wednesday that they will try to pass their resolution on Thursday. Under Senate rules, any one senator will be able to block them.

The resolution doesn't directly mention Trump but comes after the president on Monday refused to denounce Russia's election meddling and appeared to echo Russian President Vladimir Putin's denial of Moscow's work to influence the election.

"This body must reaffirm that we stand with the men and women of the Department of Justice. ... I hope the president will take the word of our intelligence agencies rather than the empty words of a dictator," Flake said in a statement.

Coons added that in light of Trump's comments this week "it’s important for the Senate to speak in a clear, bipartisan voice to say that we stand with and believe our Department of Justice and our Intelligence Community and that we will not tolerate future attacks from Russia or anyone else on our democracy."

The resolution would commend the Justice Department for investigating Russia's election interference.
Another word should be used! As someone tweeted, meddling is for kids in "Scooby Doo".


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Post by RVInit » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:07 am

I agree. The word meddling doesn't come close to describing the well organized and multi faceted influence campaign the Russians have successfully pulled off. It's been in the works for ages. They planted the seeds of distrust of the institutions that were the brainchild of the US in order to strengthen democracies and keep autocracies in check. The fact that so many Republican voters are spewing anti-NATO and anti-EU sentiments is mind boggling and frightening. And, they are convinced they have come to these opinions in a perfectly legitimate way. They have no idea at all that the constant feed has been coming from Russia all along. Putin played the long game and used every "weakness" of a free society against us.

Putin achieved an actual, for real coup, and we now have a President* that is utterly and completely working to undermine the USA and promote Putin's world view and interests. This is a complete horror show.

We need to be screaming this constantly and non stop in Ryan and McConnell's faces and not allow them to get away from the fact that they have allowed this to happen. They have sold our country out in exchange for their fucking tax breaks and ultra right wing judges. Sold. Our. Country. Out.


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Post by Lani » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:33 am

https://medium.com/ @jennycohn1/senator-ron-johnson-wisconsin-who-went-to-russia-on-july-4-has-an-incentive-to-say-we-should-c2437b995630 (Had to break the link to get rid of big photo and messed up title.)

Detailed article on the hacking of Wisconsin's election system and how recounts were prevented. A couple of excerpts ...
In the Wisconsin presidential race, Hillary:

- won counties with all-paper ballots
- Lost by 1–2% counties with a mix of paper-based systems and paperless machines
- Lost by10–15% counties with just paperless voting machines.
The court refused to order a recount, but Racine did a voluntary recount.
Partisan officials also stymied the hand recount in Racine County, Wisconsin, when it didn’t match the machine recount.
5% error rate.

Much, much more at the link.


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Post by pipistrelle » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:29 am

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... probe.html
House Republicans Are Trying to Thwart Dem Russia Probe

Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee have gotten extremely petty in their attempts to stonewall Democrats who are trying to investigate Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. After all, those Republicans, led by committee chairman Representative Devin Nunes, ended the House Intel Russia probe in April and cleared the White House of any wrongdoing. But Democrats pledged to continue interviewing witnesses, and now the GOP is making that increasingly difficult.

Democrats tell CNN that they aren’t allowed into conference rooms to conduct interviews, they’ve been denied funds to pay for witness travel to Washington, D.C., and Nunes is even preventing them from using the House’s transcription services, which costs the committee nothing. As a result, they’ve been left to conduct interviews in the office of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, as they did Wednesday with George Papadopoulos’s wife Simona, who had to pay her own way to D.C.

Along with these small annoyances, Republicans on the committee are making one big thing difficult: Nunes is blocking Democrats from sharing what they’ve learned in witness interviews with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. Representative Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, tells CNN that some of the witnesses interviewed by House may have lied and he wants to tell Mueller all about it, but he can’t do so without Nunes’s help.
is anyone in the media asking why?



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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 am

Russia-friendly Rep. Rohrabacher doubts hacking indictment, plans to consult outside ‘experts’
By David Weigel
July 19 at 5:48 PM

On July 3, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) talked with a local news station in his district about a topic on which he has often strayed from the pack: the 2016 hack of the Democratic National Committee. Rohrabacher, who has urged friendlier relations with Russia, said that there were plenty of questions about the hack, and that it might have been an “inside job,” followed by a years-long coverup.

“I went to Julian Assange of course to talk to him personally, the guy who of course disclosed all of these emails, and he adamantly said the Russians weren’t in it,” he told Fox LA reporter Elex Michaelson. “And, by the way, if we could in some way guarantee that he can get out of the Ecuadorian Embassy, he said he told me he has absolute proof, just actual, not just words, but he’s got proof that the Russians did not hack.”

[Mueller probe indicts 12 Russians with hacking of Democrats in 2016]

Ten days later, the Justice Department indicted 12 Russian military intelligence officers, fingering them for the email hacks that roiled and wounded Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. For many people, the indictment put to rest several alternative theories of how the DNC, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta were hacked.

In a short interview, Rohrabacher said that he wanted to know more.

“The explanation of the indictment is so complicated and technical that it is hard for anyone to judge whether it’s accurate,” he said. “There are experts that will be able to judge whether it’s accurate. I know that there are a number of intelligence agents, people experienced with this area of technically, the VIPS. They’re experts in cyberwarfare. I plan to talk to them to see if the information provided in the indictments is something that they are willing to accept as possible as compared to what they said in the past.”


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Post by Whatever4 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:15 pm

“I went to Julian Assange of course to talk to him personally, the guy who of course disclosed all of these emails, and he adamantly said the Russians weren’t in it,” he told Fox LA reporter Elex Michaelson. “And, by the way, if we could in some way guarantee that he can get out of the Ecuadorian Embassy, he said he told me he has absolute proof, just actual, not just words, but he’s got proof that the Russians did not hack.”
Have these fools always been so gullible? I bet they’d buy genuine Rolex Watches from a guy in a trenchcoat. :roll:


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WaPo - Paul Waldman: The entire Republican Party is becoming a Russian asset


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Post by RVInit » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:48 pm

Addie wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:57 pm
WaPo - Paul Waldman: The entire Republican Party is becoming a Russian asset
I think Republicans realize they have almost every state government, the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, and the Presidency*. So, yeah, time for the final coup, set themselves up in charge forever. Why wouldn't they want the kind of government Putin has set up. Riches galore for the ruling party.


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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:41 pm


Sens. Blumenthal and Whitehouse are calling for public hearings on the NRA's role in Russia election interference.



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Post by RVInit » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:06 pm

Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:41 pm

Sens. Blumenthal and Whitehouse are calling for public hearings on the NRA's role in Russia election interference.
Moment of truth time. We'll see if we really do have a Senate that is willing to stick up for the USA.

I don't know how accurate my perception is about the GOP that were likely involved with Butina and other Russians efforts via the NRA, but I had the sense it was primarily House members, rather than members of the Senate. If there is even a single GOP Senator that is caught up in this (NRA/Russia), it will be killed.


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Post by Kendra » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:13 pm

RVInit wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:06 pm
Kendra wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:41 pm
https://twitter. com/kylegriffin1/status/1021795927894503424
Sens. Blumenthal and Whitehouse are calling for public hearings on the NRA's role in Russia election interference.
Moment of truth time. We'll see if we really do have a Senate that is willing to stick up for the USA.

I don't know how accurate my perception is about the GOP that were likely involved with Butina and other Russians efforts via the NRA, but I had the sense it was primarily House members, rather than members of the Senate. If there is even a single GOP Senator that is caught up in this (NRA/Russia), it will be killed.
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Post by Kendra » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:22 pm

http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... rosenstein
A group of conservative House lawmakers on Wednesday introduced articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the top Department of Justice (DOJ) official overseeing special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

The impeachment document makes a series of charges against Rosenstein, the latest sign of escalating efforts among conservatives to oust the DOJ’s No. 2 official.

Conservative members led by Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), along with 9 cosponsors, introduced articles of impeachment against Rosenstein shortly after a meeting with Justice Department officials concerning document production.

"For 9 months we’ve warned them consequences were coming, and for 9 months we’ve heard the same excuses backed up by the same unacceptable conduct. Time is up and the consequences are here. It’s time to find a new Deputy Attorney General who is serious about accountability and transparency,” Meadows said in a statement.

“Multiple times we’ve caught DOJ officials hiding information from Congress, withholding relevant documents, or even outright ignoring Congressional subpoenas—and now we have evidence that Mr. Rosenstein signed off on a document using unverified political opposition research as a cornerstone of a FISA application to spy on an American citizen working for the Trump campaign," Meadows continued.
That's all of the article from the link. :cussing:



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Post by Skip Intro » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:34 pm

So does that give Trump cover to fire Rosenstein?


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What happens next?


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Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:35 pm
What happens next?
Like most legislative action with only 11 co-sponsors, to committee so it can die.


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Kendra wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:22 pm
http://thehill.com/policy/national-secu ... rosenstein
A group of conservative House lawmakers on Wednesday introduced articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the top Department of Justice (DOJ) official overseeing special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

:snippity:
I predict that it will go nowhere.

No Republican except a few Freedom Caucus nutjobs wants to be forced to take a position on that one way or the other with primaries and then midterm elections coming up.
And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Macbeth, Act V, Scene 5.
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Post by Kendra » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:43 pm


Impeachment has not been carried out against an executive branch employee in 122 years, and the constitution defines it as punishment for “treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors."
R’s are mad because he didn’t produce the documents they wanted quickly enough.



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