Resolution of Inquiry Re Impeachment; Commission to Declare President Incapacitated Re 25th Amendment

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DoomSeers vindicated!


... and how does that make you feel?
What is it you're trying to say?
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Foggy wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:35 am
DoomSeers vindicated!
Eggsactly.


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Post by Addie » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:39 am

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Dem lawmaker says he will force House vote on impeachment Wednesday

Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) said Tuesday he will bring articles of impeachment to the floor of the Congress on Wednesday for a vote.

Speaking on the House floor, Green said three prominent Democrats have asked to meet with him to discuss the impeachment of President Trump.

"I will meet with them in my office and here's what I will say: I will tell them that impeachment is not about Democrats," Green said. "That it's not about Republicans. I will them that it's about democracy."

Green said impeachment is about government "of the people, by the people, for the people."


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Post by Addie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:15 pm

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House rejects Democrat's resolution to impeach Trump

The House on Wednesday overwhelmingly rejected an effort by Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) to impeach President Trump.

The vote to table the resolution split Democrats, with many of them — including members of leadership — calling Green's move premature.

Green’s articles of impeachment do not allege Trump has specifically committed a crime. Instead, Green argues that Trump has “brought disrepute, contempt, ridicule and disgrace on the presidency” and “sown discord among the people of the United States.”

To back up Green’s assertion, the articles of impeachment cite Trump’s equivocating response to the violent clash between white supremacists and counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Va.; retweets of anti-Muslim videos posted by a fringe British nationalist group; criticisms of NFL players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality; disparate treatment of hurricane victims in Puerto Rico compared to Texas and Florida; and personal attacks against Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-Fla.), who like Green is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

House Democratic leaders have made clear they don’t support impeachment at this point, citing the ongoing special counsel investigation of whether the Trump campaign was involved with the Russian government’s effort to influence the 2016 presidential election.


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Addie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:15 pm
The Hill
House rejects Democrat's resolution to impeach Trump

The House on Wednesday overwhelmingly rejected an effort by Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) to impeach President Trump.

The vote to table the resolution split Democrats, with many of them — including members of leadership — calling Green's move premature.
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House Democratic leaders have made clear they don’t support impeachment at this point, citing the ongoing special counsel investigation of whether the Trump campaign was involved with the Russian government’s effort to influence the 2016 presidential election.
:lol: They haven't read the latest WaPo article, which won't even load for me right now because so many people are commenting on it right now.

It seems the specific quid pro quo is out of the bag, and has been known to Mueller for quite some time


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Post by Addie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:38 pm

BuzzFeed News
Nearly 60 Democrats Just Voted To Move Toward Impeaching President Donald Trump

Nearly 60 Democrats voted to advance a resolution to impeach President Donald Trump on Wednesday after Democratic Rep. Al Green forced a vote in the House on the issue.

The impeachment resolution fell far short of passing, but Wednesday’s vote gave 58 Democrats, many for the first time, the opportunity to publicly indicate their support for removing Trump from office. Four Democrats — Reps. Terri Sewell, Carol Shea-Porter, Joaquin Castro, and Marc Veasey — voted present.

Green has been actively pushing for Trump’s impeachment since May, worrying many Democrats, including House Democratic leadership, who took the unusual step of putting out a joint statement opposing their own member's resolution on Wednesday. Democrats have urged members to wait on Congress and special counsel Robert Mueller to finish their investigations before taking such a drastic step. ...

Green didn’t quite get his wish, however. At Republicans’ direction, the House instead voted on a “motion to table” his resolution — essentially killing it with the support of 364 members, including two-thirds of Democrats in the House. While that meant that Green ultimately didn’t get a straight up-or-down vote on impeachment, the vote forced members of both parties to go on the record about removing Trump from office.


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Post by Addie » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:49 pm

WaPo - Greg Sargent
Democrats are preparing for impeachment. Good. They should be doing this — now.

The Post’s Paul Kane reports this morning that despite their rhetoric downplaying this possibility, House Democrats are privately preparing for a possible effort to impeach President Trump, should they regain the majority.

That’s excellent news. This is exactly what Democrats should be doing — right now.

Not just because an impeachment battle might actually happen, but also for another reason: Democrats will need to find a more effective way to talk to the American people about the serial degradation of our democracy we are seeing in the Trump era, for the good of the party, yes, but also for the good of the country.

We can surmise that Democrats are preparing for impeachment because they chose Rep. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.) as the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee — and Nadler is an expert in constitutional law. As Kane reports, this is the “clearest sign yet of how seriously House Democrats consider the possibility of a full-blown constitutional showdown” with Trump, one that could “end with impeachment proceedings.” Or, as Rep. Gerald E. Connolly (D-Va.), put it, Nadler won the slot because of the “constitutional argument” and because of the need for Democrats to “prepare for the coming storm.”

This is the right posture — for a number of reasons, some obvious, some less so. To be clear, I’m not necessarily saying impeachment is merited right at this moment. My position aligns with the persuasive argument made by Benjamin Wittes and Jane Chong that there are ample grounds for beginning a formal congressional inquiry into possible impeachment, based on the sum total of Trump’s multiplying fields of misconduct.


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Post by Addie » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:36 am

Politico
Impeachment debate divides Democrats as 2018 wave builds

A tidal wave of liberal disdain for President Donald Trump may help deliver the House to Democrats in 2018. And if it does, the new majority will face an immediate, fateful choice: to pursue Trump's impeachment as the base demands, or to coax their allies away from the doomsday button.

Democratic lawmakers acknowledge that their voters are hungry for Trump’s removal from office, even if there is no consensus on the grounds for his impeachment. Polls on the question show as many as three-quarters of Democrats already back impeachment, and one deep-pocketed ally, California megadonor Tom Steyer, has been mounting an expensive pressure campaign across the country to build support for Trump's impeachment. Democratic hostility toward the Republican president seems to intensify daily.

But lawmakers who recall the 1998 impeachment of President Bill Clinton are wary of sparking a political backlash for appearing too eager to remove a president without buy-in from independents and even some Republicans. Their tallest task may be persuading fellow Democrats to cool their jets. How the party handles the explosive question of impeachment could determine whether its new majority is still standing two years later.

"Impeachment, it's not something you ought to welcome. It's not something you ought to be ready to — it's not something you want," said Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), who was elected by his colleagues last week to be the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, the panel that handles impeachment matters.

If Democrats retake the House, Nadler will instantly become the party's gatekeeper on the issue. In fact, his expertise in constitutional law — as well as his outsized voice opposing the Clinton impeachment in 1998 — was a factor in his selection to lead committee Democrats. While he says impeachment would surely be on the table in a Democrat-led House, it's far from certain it would be the right call — politically or constitutionally. And it'll be up to his committee to tell voters why.

"If we were in the majority and if we decide that the evidence isn't there for impeachment — or even if the evidence is there we decide it would tear the country apart too much, there's no buy-in, there's no bipartisanship and we shouldn't do it for whatever reason — if we decide that, then it's our duty to educate the country why we decided it," Nadler said in an interview.


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Post by Addie » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:26 am

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Washington's growing obsession: The 25th Amendment ...

In private meetings with more than a dozen members of Congress held on Dec. 5 and 6, [Dr. Bandy X.] Lee briefed lawmakers — all Democrats except for one Republican senator, whom Lee declined to identify. Her professional warning to Capitol Hill: “He’s going to unravel, and we are seeing the signs.” ...

The tweet resuscitated the conversation about the president’s mental state and the 25th Amendment, which allows for the removal of the president from office if the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet deem him physically or mentally “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”

The amendment is purposefully set up to require a high burden of proof, and there is no evidence that Vice President Mike Pence or the majority of Trump’s Cabinet have turned on him. But Trump’s Tuesday night nuclear taunt managed to cause alarm even within his own party. ...

But Lee’s campaign on Capitol Hill is far from over. Later this month, she has been invited to speak in front of another group of lawmakers, hosted by Connecticut Democratic Rep. Rosa DeLauro at her home. And she has been invited to speak at a town hall by Maryland Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, who has proposed a bill to set up a commission to evaluate the president’s fitness for office.

Raskin’s bill would create a body in Congress to evaluate the president’s fitness. “The judgment [about the president’s mental state] is not mine to make,” the freshman congressman said in an interview. “The judgment constitutionally is to be made by the vice president and the Cabinet, or the vice president and a new body. We have an institutional responsibility to set that body up.”

Over the past few months, Raskin said he has seen “a rising chorus of questions about this.” A bill that was at first viewed as a lark, with few co-sponsors, now has 56 co-sponsors. “Lawmakers, the media and lots of people in the public have been calling me about my bill,” he said. “The tweet yesterday set off alarm bells across the country. I’m trying to reassure people that our Constitution has a provision to deal with this.”


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Post by Addie » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:07 am

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More Democratic lawmakers want to consider impeaching Trump

Washington (CNN) A proposal to sideline an effort to impeach President Donald Trump passed the House last Friday by a nearly 300-vote margin, with almost two in three House Democrats joining together against the impeachment plan.
But there was an interesting shift in the vote since a similar proposal was tabled in December: A majority of House Democrats who represent more liberal districts now voted in favor of considering impeachment, perhaps a sign that the left wing of the party could be edging closer to seriously mulling trying to oust the President. Or at least making a show of it.

While it's clear the House — and even the Democratic caucus — are a long way from actually backing impeachment, the gradual shift could have major implications if Democrats are able to win back the House after the 2018 midterm elections.
You can see the shift if you divide House Democrats into two halves: those representing the most liberal districts and least liberal districts. Then compare those who cast votes against a motion to table impeachment on Jan. 19 (a vote against tabling is a vote in favor of considering impeachment; the ideology of each district is determined by partisan voter index data from The Cook Political Report).

The takeaway is that more Democrats from more liberal districts supported impeachment in January than in December, which was tabled by a similar margin. The total number of Democrats backing the plan grew from 58 in December to 66 in January.


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Post by Fortinbras » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:05 pm

I strongly suspect that the very recent NYT story that Trump had actually given orders to fire Mueller and was talked out of it by his Consigliere is probably not true but a rumor floated by someone well-placed to damage Trump further. I say this because it seems to me obvious that there are plenty of people around Trump who have enough memory and sense to remember what happened to Nixon and who have gone to pains to explain this, each of them in turn, to Trump so that he was fully informed that trying to fire Mueller was suicidal.

This appearance of this unsourced story has, by itself, galvanized the people who are inclined toward impeachment and maybe added to their numbers, but, at best, it's a story of Trump talking about something and not actually doing it. I am sure that a great many people whose lives have been complicated by being investigated - not just people with guilty secrets but some who were completely guiltless - wished the investigation would vanish.



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Post by RVInit » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:43 pm

Forti, the story is not "unsourced". The NYT cites FOUR sources. Although they are not named, I assume you are familiar with NYT policy on unnamed sources. If not, I believe you can read it on their website. These sources obviously were people that have been interviewed by Mueller because the story says that Mueller knows about this. The only way he would know is from interviewing WH staff, who clearly are the sources. Although Mueller's team is likely not leaking anything, nothing stops an interviewee from talking to the press and asking for anonymity, which seems to be the case here.


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Post by SLQ » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:58 pm

RVInit wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:43 pm
Forti, the story is not "unsourced". The NYT cites FOUR sources. Although they are not named, I assume you are familiar with NYT policy on unnamed sources. If not, I believe you can read it on their website. These sources obviously were people that have been interviewed by Mueller because the story says that Mueller knows about this. The only way he would know is from interviewing WH staff, who clearly are the sources. Although Mueller's team is likely not leaking anything, nothing stops an interviewee from talking to the press and asking for anonymity, which seems to be the case here.
:yeah: (Also, Fortinbras, you have posted this same comment on at least two threads). Fox has separately confirmed this was true. See Hannity's about-face. And "many people" who are under investigation aren't the president of the United States, whose interference and attempt to act is obstruction of justice.



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Post by Suranis » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:03 am

However, I would guess that the timing of the story is no accident.


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