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Post by Addie » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:04 am

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Trump says he will not sign moderate 'Dreamer' immigration bill

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Friday he would not sign the more moderate of two bills under consideration in the U.S. House of Representatives that are meant to address the threat of deportation hanging over the United States’ “Dreamer” immigrants.

“I’m looking at both of them. I certainly wouldn’t sign the more moderate one,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News Channel in front of the White House. “I need a bill that gives this country tremendous border security. I have to have that.”

House Speaker Paul Ryan plans to bring up the two bills for votes in the Republican-controlled House next week, moving to break a long-standing stalemate on Capitol Hill over immigration law. But Ryan said on Thursday he could not guarantee passage of either measure. ...

The other bill is a conservative Republican measure that would build the border wall and deny Dreamers the chance of citizenship.
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NBC News: Trump says he won't sign GOP immigration bill that would stop separating families at border

The remarks could upend a painstaking process to reach a compromise in the House that would end the administration's policy of tearing families apart.


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Post by Addie » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:50 am

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Trump tells GOP to 'stop wasting their time' on immigration

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday told his fellow Republicans in Congress to "stop wasting their time" on immigration legislation until after November, dismissing his party's struggle to surmount internal divisions.

Trump's tweets come just days after he insisted Congress act to resolve the problems at the U.S.-Mexico border. But stubborn differences between conservative and more moderate Republicans in the House have stalled immigration legislation on Capitol Hill, with a vote on a compromise measure delayed until next week.

Trump said Friday that even if a measure passes, it's doomed in the Senate.

"Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November," he tweeted. "Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!"

Trump's comments come as GOP leadership had been hoping Trump could help sell the immigration legislation to wary members. The last ditch effort on immigration ahead of the midterm elections was meant to help vulnerable Republicans this fall. Trump himself travelled to Capitol Hill Tuesday to make the case that Congress should pass either of two bills that have been under consideration.


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Post by Danraft » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:11 am

Predictable, every word. Every phrase.

I predicted he would say exactly this....
He will except legislators from action to protect vulnerable candidates, and still use it a touchstone for increasing turnout.

My parents have been, oh what do you call it? Voting monitors for the Dem's? for decades. They work every election.
This last presidential Mom said was unique in how many older people said, "We've never voted before...."
He is placing his bets on increasing this group and low turn out at mid terms by Dems.


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Post by Addie » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:57 pm

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House still plans immigration vote next week despite Trump's tweet

House GOP leaders plan to move forward with a compromise immigration bill next week despite a Friday morning tweet from President Trump saying he thinks Republicans should hold off on immigration until after the midterm elections.

Trump said Republicans should "stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November," dealing a setback to lawmakers who were looking to get the president's support before casting their vote.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) on Friday confirmed that the legislation — introduced by Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Calif.), Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-Fla.), Homeland Security Committee Chairman Mike McCaul (R-Texas) and Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) — will come to the floor before lawmakers leave for their July 4 recess.

"We have been working very closely with the entire conference taking all ideas in," McCarthy said Friday on the House floor. "We had a very productive conference last night, and we'll work through the weekend and will see that bill on the floor next week."

Changes to the legislation are expected to be made over the weekend. The measure was initially supposed to get a vote on Thursday and was then pushed back to Friday. It was delayed further after a conference meeting Thursday evening, when leadership said it would be postponed to the following week.
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Reuters: Republicans aim to debate immigration bill next week, ignoring Trump plea


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Post by Addie » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:15 pm

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In 1 week, Trump has tied himself into an impossible immigration knot

(CNN) President Donald Trump has taken almost every possible Republican position on immigration in the span of a week as he's tried to deal with the crisis he created of separating thousands of children from their parents at the border.

He's changed policies, made declarations, said his hands were tied, united them to sign an executive order that may or may not accomplish anything, blamed Democrats, blamed his predecessors, demanded Congress act, tried to force Congress to act, refused to endorse a specific congressional bill, promised a sweeping immigration reform was possible and, most recently, said Congress should just give up for a while.

The tangle of statements coming from the President's mouth, his Twitter feed, and secondhand reports of what he told Republicans during a trip to Capitol Hill are more confusing than his wife's decision to wear an "I really don't care. Do U?" jacket on a surprise trip to see detained kids at the border. ...

If they can't find agreement among themselves, Republicans will be incapable of finding the kind of bipartisan support they'd need to pass something through the Senate, especially if Trump continues to insist on billions in funding for his long-promised border wall. Look for that issue to rear it's head again when lawmakers try to fund the government before the election.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:04 pm

With what they have right now they can't get enough Repugs to agree, and nothing they are currently proposing will float with either the current House factions or LaRump or the Dems. What they are proposing isn't draconian or nasty enough for the Krazy Kaucus and LaRump or reasonable enough to go bipartisan, in other word just the more typical GOP nastiness.


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Post by Kendra » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:06 am

Not terribly relevant, but I couldn't resist...


Trump Signed A Executive Order To Keep Illegal Alien Families Together

BECAUSE Chuck Schumer And The Democrats In Congress Refuse To Do Their Job And Change ‘Their Law’ To Keep The Illegal Alien Families Together
Shouldn't that be an Executive...?



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Post by Addie » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:51 pm

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Trump shifts on immigration: ‘We need Democrat votes'

Trump appeared to shift his position on immigration back to advocating negotiation on Saturday, saying “we need Democrat votes” to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

“Remember this, we need Democrat votes,” he said in the White House weekly address. “Without the Democrats constantly obstructing, there’s no way you can do it. Without having Democrats voting, there is no way you can get this done. So the Democrats are obstructing, the Democrats don’t want border security, the Democrats are OK with crime — but we’re not OK with it.”

“We need Democrat votes,” he repeated. “Without it, frankly, nothing can be done.”

Trump assumed a different position on Friday, telling Republican lawmakers in a tweet to “stop wasting their time” on immigration until after they potentially take more House seats in the midterms.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:16 pm

Wouldn't this be more in the realm of an "administrative regulation" rather than something in a law?? Just back down to the Administration's side of the equation. Convenient excuse. They are just following the WH's lead, and intentions.


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Post by Addie » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:53 pm

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Trump wanted to use executive order to pass immigration reform: report

President Trump indicated to aides this week that he wanted to reform America's entire immigration system through executive order after deciding Wednesday to sign an order ending the process of separating families for prosecution for illegal entry.

The Washington Post reports that Trump made the remarks to senior aides, who pushed back at what one official told the Post was a "pretty insane idea."

Discouraged by aides who insisted that such a broad rewrite of the immigration system via executive fiat would be unconstitutional, Trump then demanded aides produce an executive order to curb public discontent with the family separation policy, which he then signed later Wednesday.


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Post by Addie » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:09 am

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Republicans prepare bill allowing migrant children to be detained more than 20 days

Republican lawmakers are preparing to vote on a more narrow immigration bill that would allow immigrant children to stay in detention facilities with their parents for more than 20 days, senior White House and Hill officials tell ABC News.

The bill would correct an issue with President Trump's executive order to stop the separation of children from parents who entered the country illegally. The existing law requires that children be released from detention after 20 days.

The House is scheduled to vote on a larger "compromise" immigration bill early next week that would include DACA, border security and visas. But the bill is not expected to get enough votes to pass in Congress. Sources tell ABC News that Hill leaders are expected to then vote on the more narrow bill.

The Trump administration filed a motion in a California federal court on Thursday to change the so-called Flores settlement so that children can remain in detention with their parents as they await immigration proceedings. The status of that case is in limbo.


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Post by Addie » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:47 am

Reuters
Trump calls for deporting illegal immigrants with 'no judges or court cases'

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump sharpened his call to deport people who enter the United States illegally on Sunday, saying they should immediately be sent back to where they came from without any judicial process.

“We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents,” Trump wrote on Twitter.
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The New Yorker: How the Humanitarian Crisis on the Mexico Border Could Worsen


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Post by Kendra » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:53 am

This morning's tweet about no judges isn't going to go over well when this lands him back in Federal Court.


Jeff Flake hits Trump's rhetoric that Democrats don't want immigration reform: "When the president says that and calls them 'clowns' and 'losers,' how does he expect the Democrats to sit down and work with Republicans?" (via ABC)
I wish Flake would vote with his words.



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Post by Addie » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:10 pm

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Trump administration's 'secret shutdown' of immigration program discriminated against Latinos: Lawsuit ...

The Central American Minors program, which reunited children and other eligible family members with parents legally residing in the U.S., was one of Trump's early targets as he sought to crack down on legal immigration. Designed during the Obama administration to avoid the scenes at the U.S.-Mexican border that have gripped the nation this week, its termination is now being blamed by some for worsening the migrant crisis and possibly sending more children north.

"Ending this did exacerbate the situation on the border ... When the program shut down, now these individuals have no choice but to remain in daily danger or to try come to the United States by land," said Linda Evarts, an attorney with the International Refugee Assistance Project, which helped to bring the case.

The administration's "unprecedented, unexplained, and unsupported secret shutdown" of the program is also under fire for how it was carried out, with little to nothing communicated to recipients months after the decision was seemingly made and no real explanation ever given.

Lawyers also contend that the real reason was discrimination against Latinos.
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NBC News: This Obama-era pilot program kept asylum-seeking migrant families together. Trump canceled it.

ICE said the Family Case Management Program, which cost the government $36 a day, was too expensive compared to other monitoring methods.
Daily Beast: ICE Scrapped Effective Immigration Program Because It Didn’t ‘Remove’ Enough People

Last year, ICE shuttered a program that was nearly 100% effective because it didn’t result in the deportation of enough asylum seekers. Congress might try to bring it back.
WaPo: ‘Get so close — and nothing happens’: Congress’s record on immigration is repeated failures


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Post by Addie » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:28 am

CNN: House immigration debate: state of play ...

What to watch for Monday:
• The Senate votes at 5:30 p.m. ET, which will provide the first real chance to get an update on where members stand on a possible targeted bill
• The House votes at 6:30 p.m. ET, which will provide the first real chance to take the temperature of both the broader approach, and a more targeted option
• There is also a bipartisan Senate immigration group meeting on Monday afternoon


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Post by Addie » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:55 pm

NBC News
House overwhelmingly rejects compromise immigration bill despite Trump support

WASHINGTON — The House rejected the GOP’s compromise immigration measure Wednesday following weeks of negotiations and a last-minute endorsement from President Donald Trump.

Lawmakers overwhelmingly rejected the bill in a 121-301 vote, falling short of the roughly 218 votes needed to pass. No Democrats voted in favor of the bill.

While 121 Republicans voted in favor of the bill, 112 Republicans voted against it even after the president called on them to support the measure this morning. A number of those who opposed the legislation are members of the conservative Freedom Caucus.

At a press conference afterward, moderate Republicans blasted their colleagues for failing to pass the bill. ...

This came just hours after Trump reversed course and urged House Republicans to back the legislation after telling them last week not to bother with it.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:55 pm

WOW!!!! They couldn't come up with a draconian/nasty enough bill to suit the "Conservatives" crazies, or one less nasty enough to suit the saner?? members and Democrats. So much for party unity and coherence of purpose.


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Post by Addie » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:27 am

Politico: ‘I thought you were my friend’: Immigration meltdown exposes GOP hostilities

A seven-week effort to pass immigration reform ends in anger and distrust across the House Republican Conference.


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Post by RVInit » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:53 am

Addie wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:27 am
Politico: ‘I thought you were my friend’: Immigration meltdown exposes GOP hostilities

A seven-week effort to pass immigration reform ends in anger and distrust across the House Republican Conference.
The "Freedom Caucus" is nothing of the kind. They are the same vile creatures they were when they openly called themselves the Tea Party.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:03 pm

RVInit wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:53 am
Addie wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:27 am
Politico: ‘I thought you were my friend’: Immigration meltdown exposes GOP hostilities

A seven-week effort to pass immigration reform ends in anger and distrust across the House Republican Conference.
The "Freedom Caucus" is nothing of the kind. They are the same vile creatures they were when they openly called themselves the Tea Party.
:yeah: too, also.


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Post by Addie » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:25 pm

Political Wire
Pew Research: “Since 2001, the share of Americans who favor increased legal immigration into the U.S. has risen 22 percentage points (from 10% to 32%), while the share who support a decrease has declined 29 points (from 53% to 24%).”

“The shift is mostly driven by changing views among Democrats. The share of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who say legal immigration into the U.S. should be increased has doubled since 2006, from 20% to 40%.”


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Post by RVInit » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:26 pm

Trump supporters would shit their pants if they really understood how much tax and Social Security is paid in by people who have fake SSNs and therefore can't file for a tax refund and will never collect Social Security. The SSA used to display the amount prominently on their website. They may think they want to deport 11 million people...until Social Security completely disappears about 2 years before they retire.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:43 pm

Those are answers they wouldn't want, ever, assuming they would ever have thought to ask it the in first place. :rotflmao:


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Post by Danraft » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:19 am

Solution Bar Pondering encouraged-Nuts in the bowl
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What are actual 'acceptable' Immigration Solutions?
This immigration event/fiasco was due to happen, has happened before, and, without action, will happen again. The 2014 surge also had: insufficient facilities; overloaded courts; children housed longer than legal maximum; and, children permanently separated from their families.
In response, Courts acted to remedy and define protocol.
Also, Obama (successfully)requested the UN place relocation teams in target countries to reduce American border arrivals. And, incorporating existing UN humanitarian guidelines for Asylum for those fearing persecution or death is a plus.

<<What Optimal Solutions are there?>>
-Let's start with a couple of assumptions. First, minors stay with parents if present.
Second,"Catch and release" (release of candidates for 2+ years awaiting a court date) has to be altered or end. The first is more from the Left, and the second from the Right.
Regarding the second issue, the Right believes: Asylum status is abused for easy entry; the"catch and release" is soft and a less inviting process would deter misappropriation of Asylum status; that we lose track of them(we do); and, they don't appear for court(most do-and with ankle bracelets, 97% do).
On the table-in broad strokes so far as a starter...
1.) Employers of undocumented workers face penalties.
2.) A Work Visa program for recurring labor needs. (Can freely cross border. DNA records and destinations)
3.) Dreamers accommodated.
4.) America needs immigrants. What preferences? Existing relative? Youth? Able to support themselves? Needed skills?
5.) An expedited system for first stage Asylum qualification.
6.)Approved Asylum seekers stay together (with a monitoring device of some kind?)
7.) Protected resident status for those who serve in Military.
8.)Accommodations for Medical needs.
Dunno. Add more.

This may go nowhere, but the cacophony of loud passionate voices and political theater repel real solutions. I've found my understanding is severely lacking and there are many conflicting strongly held views.
Can TFB 'hive mind' maybe define the landscape of: past and present issues; political dead ends, necessities and potential compromises; business needs, US economy needs, US security concerns; immigrant needs; etc?

Perhaps even a new topic?, (Any creator other than Danraft would encourage more participation.) :-D


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Post by Lani » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:54 am

RVInit wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:26 pm
Trump supporters would shit their pants if they really understood how much tax and Social Security is paid in by people who have fake SSNs and therefore can't file for a tax refund and will never collect Social Security. The SSA used to display the amount prominently on their website. They may think they want to deport 11 million people...until Social Security completely disappears about 2 years before they retire.
They wouldn't believe that and they don't care.


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