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That deal strikes me as being potentially legit, in that it's not great for either side. I don't think it would have delighted anyone, but it does look like something that could - at least in the absence of interference from POTUS - get the votes to pass.


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Mikedunford wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:31 pm
That deal strikes me as being potentially legit, in that it's not great for either side. I don't think it would have delighted anyone, but it does look like something that could - at least in the absence of interference from POTUS - get the votes to pass.
I agree, Mike. Not a great deal but could have passed if "All the President's Men" hadn't manipulated our stable genius into blowing it up.



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Several lawmakers independently confirmed to TPM following the meeting that Kelly came unprepared to discuss either of two bipartisan immigration proposals recently put forward, the one in the Senate crafted by Sens. Lindsay Graham (R-SC) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) or the one in the House written by Reps. Will Hurd (R-TX) and Pete Aguilar (D-CA).

“I was surprised he didn’t even know what the Hurd-Aguilar bill was,” Chu said. “He knew about the Goodlatte bill,” she added, referring to a Republican-only proposal that, among other hardline provisions opposed by Democrats, strips federal funding from sanctuary cities.
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Kelly’s insistence that far-right immigration hardliners be included in negotiations, Gutierrez said, is “like saying, ‘I want to reform baseball,’ but you insist on including people who say, ‘We should eliminate baseball altogether. I hate baseball.’ You can’t reform it like that.”

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NMgirl wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:25 pm
hispanic-caucus-leaves-post-shithole-talk-with-john-kelly-confused-defiant
:snippity:

Several lawmakers independently confirmed to TPM following the meeting that Kelly came unprepared to discuss either of two bipartisan immigration proposals recently put forward, the one in the Senate crafted by Sens. Lindsay Graham (R-SC) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) or the one in the House written by Reps. Will Hurd (R-TX) and Pete Aguilar (D-CA).

“I was surprised he didn’t even know what the Hurd-Aguilar bill was,” Chu said. “He knew about the Goodlatte bill,” she added, referring to a Republican-only proposal that, among other hardline provisions opposed by Democrats, strips federal funding from sanctuary cities.
:snippity:

Kelly’s insistence that far-right immigration hardliners be included in negotiations, Gutierrez said, is “like saying, ‘I want to reform baseball,’ but you insist on including people who say, ‘We should eliminate baseball altogether. I hate baseball.’ You can’t reform it like that.”

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I agree. I have a White Male Activist List and update them on when to call the Congress critters 'cause my voice is unheard. I also believe there is a "keep them barefoot and pregnant" agenda with the opposition to birth control and Planned Parenthood.


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Post by Volkonski » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:40 pm

Freedom Caucus pushes its own immigration bill as a quid pro quo for voting for the CR.

Shutdown watch: Are there enough House Republicans to keep the government open?
But then 90 minutes later, the House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows emerged from their own closed door meeting to announce the votes weren't there for the leadership's proposal -- and the conservative caucus had demands, throwing the entire Republican strategy -- House, Senate and White House -- into question.

How to read this: Leadership aides were telling allies Tuesday night they thought they could still get the votes for their proposal, despite the resistance from House Freedom Caucus members. They will whip the vote -- hard -- Wednesday, to try and set up a Thursday vote to pass the proposal.

Here's the reality: If you don't give House Speaker Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, this short-term spending bill, he's going to have to negotiate with Democrats (or the Senate has to go first on this, which creates a whole new set of messes). Republicans don't want to deal with Democrats on this. So, getting their votes on their own, however much they hate continuing resolutions, is the logical path forward.

:snippity:

And along those lines: The Freedom Caucus is precisely why Senate Democrats were mostly keeping their powder dry on Tuesday regarding a possible shutdown. No sense in taking a hard position when, as one aide put it, "House Republicans have a history of stepping on their own rakes."


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Deirdre Walsh

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.@GOPLeader throws some shade at Freedom caucus - when asked about Meadows saying CR doesnt have the votes/some in HFC oppose, McCarthy replies: "they want a shutdown? I don't think they'd want to shut down"


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#BREAKING: Four more GOP senators come out in support of bipartisan immigration deal http://hill.cm/8lVJC0C
Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Mike Rounds (S.D.)


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Volkonski & The Hill wrote: More
#BREAKING: Four more GOP senators come out in support of bipartisan immigration deal http://hill.cm/8lVJC0C

Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Mike Rounds (S.D.)
Unless they're willing to vote against the CR, it isn't going to make any difference.



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Post by Addie » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:56 pm

Cross-posting

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Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall

Chuck Schumer is taking his big spending boost for Donald Trump’s border wall off the table.

The Senate minority leader, through an aide, informed the White House on Monday that he was retracting the offer he made last week to give Trump well north of the $1.6 billion in wall funding Trump had asked for this year, according to two Democrats. And now they say Trump will simply not get a better deal than that on his signature campaign promise. Schumer “took it off,” said Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat. “He called the White House yesterday and said it’s over.”

In the now-infamous cheeseburger summit last Friday with Trump, Schumer offered a large increase in border wall spending as a condition for a broader deal to help Dreamers. But after that offer was rebuffed — prompting the three-day government shutdown — the president has now “missed an opportunity to get the wall,” one Democratic aide said.

Some key Republicans — including Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona, a key GOP immigration negotiator — had already considered using the promise of border wall funding totaling more than $1.6 billion to lure more conservative votes. A Dreamer plan written by a bipartisan group of six senators, including Flake, had included Trump’s $1.6 billion request as part of a broader, $2.7 billion border security package.


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White House: Graham-Durbin immigration bill 'dead on arrival'
The White House on Tuesday hardened its position against a bipartisan proposal in the Senate that would shield young immigrants living in the U.S. from deportation.

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders gave her strongest indication yet that President Trump would not sign the measure, written by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), if it reaches his desk.

“It’s totally unacceptable to the president and should be declared dead on arrival,” she told reporters.

President Trump previously dismissed the proposal in profane fashion when it was first presented to him in the Oval Office, remarks that helped lead to a government shutdown.

The White House has reiterated its opposition to the measure, and officials say they are escalating criticism to kill it as immigration talks resume.
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MsDaisy wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:25 pm
White House: Graham-Durbin immigration bill 'dead on arrival'
The White House on Tuesday hardened its position against a bipartisan proposal in the Senate that would shield young immigrants living in the U.S. from deportation.

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders gave her strongest indication yet that President Trump would not sign the measure, written by Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), if it reaches his desk.

“It’s totally unacceptable to the president and should be declared dead on arrival,” she told reporters.

President Trump previously dismissed the proposal in profane fashion when it was first presented to him in the Oval Office, remarks that helped lead to a government shutdown.

The White House has reiterated its opposition to the measure, and officials say they are escalating criticism to kill it as immigration talks resume.
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Maybe Durbin and Graham can hand it off to a couple of other senators, and let them put their name on it. Would Trump notice?


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https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy ... ssion=true
The “Hastert Rule,” the reason a DACA deal could fail in the House, explained
Paul Ryan’s dueling promises on immigration.


It all comes down to a promise Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) made in 2015, before taking over the speaker’s office: He assured the most conservative members of his conference — the very ones who ousted his predecessor John Boehner — that he would not let an immigration bill pass without the support of the majority of House Republicans.

It’s called the Hastert Rule, an unwritten Republican leadership principle named after former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert. (Yes, the same Dennis Hastert who went to prison for a bank fraud conviction related to him molesting young boys.) And it has dictated how the immigration debate has lived and died in Congress over the past decade.


The basic premise of the rule — that House leaders will use their leverage over the floor agenda to keep measures off the floor that might divide the majority party — has guided House majority party leaders at least since the early 1980s.
When the “majority of the majority” rule is violated, it’s usually on must-pass pieces of legislation, like spending bills or emergency disaster relief funding.


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How hard would it be to rename that the #PedophileSpeakerRule?


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Slim Cognito wrote:
Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:08 am
How hard would it be to rename that the #PedophileSpeakerRule?
Just a tweet away.


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All the times the White House changed its position on DACA

Confusion on the White House’s immigration platform is par for the course.

Lawmakers want to know what President Donald Trump wants on immigration. But nearly five months of meetings, memos, tweets, and press conferences have provided little clarity. Trump and White House staff have repeatedly muddled their message on the future of the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which the administration plans to fully sunset by March 5.

It’s become a seemingly never-ending routine between the two branches of government: Congress stalls negotiations, waiting for clarity from Trump, the White House releases guidance, then backpedals, leaving DACA, and the nearly 700,000 undocumented immigrants the program protects, in limbo. Rinse. Repeat. Confusion is par for the course.

Trump is expected to release an “outline” for a bipartisan immigration deal — again — on Monday that calls for a path to citizenship for 1.8 million undocumented immigrants who came to the country as children, $25 billion to fund a southern border wall, substantial curtailing of family immigration, and throwing out the diversity visa lottery program, which some say could gut the legal immigration system.

White House adviser Stephen Miller briefed Republican congressional staff on the plan Thursday. The proposal is the first indication from the White House that Trump is willing to make some concessions on the hardline immigration views his administration has espoused thus far.

The proposal has already been lost in translation. The White House has given congressional aides on both sides of the immigration debate the impression that the proposal could be amended to their liking — to be more liberal, and to be more conservative.


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Post by mmmirele » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:33 pm

This is only important for people like me who live in heavily Mormon areas and/or are represented by Mormons in Congress. The following is a statement issued today by the LDS (Mormon) Church.
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is established in 188 nations around the globe. Issues of immigration and legal status are of concern for many of our members. Most of our early Church members emigrated from foreign lands to live, work and worship, blessed by the freedoms and opportunities offered in this great nation.

"Immigration is a complex and sometimes divisive issue. As we have stated before, we believe that our first priority is to love and care for one another as Jesus Christ taught. Each nation must determine and administer its policies related to immigration. The Church does not advocate any specific legislative or executive solution. Our hope is that, in whatever solution emerges, there is provision for strengthening families and keeping them together. We also acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders and that all persons subject to a nation's laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them.

"We welcome the sincere efforts of lawmakers and leaders to seek for solutions that honor these principles and extend compassion to those seeking a better life. Specifically, we call upon our national leaders to create policies that provide hope and opportunities for those, sometimes referred to as “Dreamers,” who grew up here from a young age and for whom this country is their home. They have built lives, pursued educational opportunities and been employed for years based on the policies that were in place. These individuals have demonstrated a capacity to serve and contribute positively in our society, and we believe they should be granted the opportunity to continue to do so."
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... -DACA.html

My congresscritter, Andy Biggs (R-AZ), is on record as saying that he won't consider DACA until the wall is *built*. Here's his church saying something different. This position is also similar to that taken by my evil, too big to fail bank employer.



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Post by Volkonski » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:52 pm



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Trump immigration plan hits wall of opposition
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For the bipartisan gang of 20 senators trying to hammer out an agreement to protect the "Dreamers," it’s clear the Trump outline — intended as an olive branch to Democrats — gets them no closer to a deal. One of the key negotiators of the group, Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), warned that Trump’s plan places the White House’s "hardline immigration agenda … on the backs of these young people."

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who will need to sign off on any deal for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in the upper chamber, echoed those sentiments on Twitter on Friday. Trump is using DACA recipients as “a tool to tear apart our legal immigration system and adopt the wish list that anti-immigration hardliners have advocated for for years,” he wrote.

Trump’s plan did get an endorsement from a pair of key conservatives, Sens. David Perdue (R-Ga.) and Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), with the latter characterizing the plan as “generous and humane” and “responsible.”

But for the most part, conservative outside groups, members of the House Freedom Caucus and other vocal immigration hard-liners all panned the White House plan, saying providing a path to citizenship for 1.8 million “Dreamers” amounted to “mass amnesty” for law breakers.


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Post by AndyinPA » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:35 pm

Any plan that Cotton endorses can't be good.



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AndyinPA wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:35 pm
Any plan that Cotton endorses can't be good.
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:36 am

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/trumps ... ssion=true
Trump’s path to citizenship for 1.8 million will leave out nearly half of all Dreamers

...[T]he Migration Policy Institute estimates that more than 3.6 million unauthorized immigrants entered the U.S. before the age of 18. Their data show that slightly more than 1.8 million unauthorized immigrants met the criteria for applying for DACA. Why, then, did only about 800,000 actually receive it?

DACA only applied to undocumented immigrants who were younger than 31 as of June 15, 2012 and had come to the U.S. before age 16. They had to be in or have graduated from high school, had to have obtained a general education development certificate, or had to have served in the military. This left out some people.
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Additionally, some who were eligible did not apply out of fear that signing up might lead to them or their families being deported. Indeed, after Trump assumed office a number of DACA recipients were arrested and detained.

However, the proposal would limit relief to about only one-half of Dreamers, ignoring the 1.8 million that never registered for DACA. The Trump legalization plan would also only cover a minority of the total undocumented immigrant population – about 16 percent. According to the Pew Research Center, the total undocumented population in the United States is more than 11 million.

Ultimately, the Trump proposal would leave roughly 9 million undocumented immigrants subject to deportation.


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CNN
White House rejects bipartisan immigration plan pushed by McCain, Coons

(CNN)The White House is dismissing an immigration deal brokered by a bipartisan group of lawmakers as a non-starter just hours before it is expected to be formally introduced in the Senate.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain and Delaware Democratic Sen. Chris Coons are slated to introduce a bill Monday that would grant eventual citizenship to young undocumented immigrants who have been in the country since 2013 and came to the US as children, but it does not address all of the President's stated immigration priorities, like ending family-based immigration categories -- which Republicans call "chain migration" — or ending the diversity visa program.

It also would not immediately authorize the $30 billion that Trump is seeking to build the border wall, instead greenlighting a study of border security needs. The bill would also seek to address the number of undocumented immigrants staying in the US by increasing the number of resources for the immigration courts, where cases can take years to finish.

The bill is a companion to a piece of House legislation that has 54 co-sponsors split evenly by party.


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Addie wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:08 pm
CNN
White House rejects bipartisan immigration plan pushed by McCain, Coons

(CNN)The White House is dismissing an immigration deal brokered by a bipartisan group of lawmakers as a non-starter just hours before it is expected to be formally introduced in the Senate.

Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain and Delaware Democratic Sen. Chris Coons are slated to introduce a bill Monday that would grant eventual citizenship to young undocumented immigrants who have been in the country since 2013 and came to the US as children, but it does not address all of the President's stated immigration priorities, like ending family-based immigration categories -- which Republicans call "chain migration" — or ending the diversity visa program.

It also would not immediately authorize the $30 billion that Trump is seeking to build the border wall, instead greenlighting a study of border security needs. The bill would also seek to address the number of undocumented immigrants staying in the US by increasing the number of resources for the immigration courts, where cases can take years to finish.

The bill is a companion to a piece of House legislation that has 54 co-sponsors split evenly by party.
54 evenly divided co-sponsors and dems are the ones trying to obstruct?


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Addie wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:08 pm
CNN
White House rejects bipartisan immigration plan pushed by McCain, Coons

(CNN)The White House is dismissing an immigration deal brokered by a bipartisan group of lawmakers as a non-starter just hours before it is expected to be formally introduced in the Senate.
:snippity:
I am waiting for the Congress to push thru a bipartisan legislation and give it to the clown-in-chief for signing. He has said in the past that he would sign anything that comes along. Egg on his face real soon now for vetoing?



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RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:54 pm
I am waiting for the Congress to push thru a bipartisan legislation and give it to the clown-in-chief for signing. He has said in the past that he would sign anything that comes along. Egg on his face real soon now for vetoing?
:thumbs: Although I am afraid that was before Miller and Kelly got a hold of him.


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