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Post by Addie » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:49 pm

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House votes to protect health-care law as Democrats put GOP on record

In the first health-care vote since Democrats seized the House majority, the chamber on Wednesday gave itself the power to intervene legally after a federal judge ruled that the Affordable Care Act was unconstitutional.

Wednesday’s vote was largely symbolic — Democrats voted last week to authorize legal action as part of a broader rules package — but it was the first time that lawmakers were presented with a discrete measure dealing with what was a dominant issue in the Nov. 6 midterm elections.

In forcing the vote, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who was crucial in ensuring passage of the 2010 law, now has Republicans on record on the lawsuit, and those votes could be used in campaign ads next year.

The measure passed 235 to 192, with all Democrats supporting it and all but three Republicans opposing it.

“A campaign is part of forming a government, and no issue resonated with the American people in the last election like the issue of preexisting conditions,” said House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.). “There’s no arguing with the following statistic, that today, between 17 million and 20 million Americans have health insurance that didn’t have it before the Affordable Care Act.”

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Post by Volkonski » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:42 am

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BREAKING: 7 million Americans have lost insurance under Trump as he has steadily undermined the law & people.
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Post by Adrianinflorida » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:40 am

Trump to tweet that they were all Democrats and MS 13 members in 3,2,1....

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Post by Addie » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:10 pm

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Uninsured rate under Trump surges to highest level since Obamacare began

The percentage of American adults without health insurance surged upward in 2018, reaching levels not recorded since before President Trump took office, according to a new national survey that revealed widespread coverage losses over the last two years.

At the end of 2018, 13.7% of U.S. adults were uninsured, up from 10.9% at the end of 2016, when President Obama was completing his second term.

The new number represents the highest uninsured rate since the beginning of 2014, when the Affordable Care Act began providing billions of dollars in aid to help low- and middle-income Americans get covered, according to the survey by Gallup.

The new report also indicates that some 7 million American adults have likely lost or dropped coverage since 2016.

“After years of progress it is deeply troubling to see more Americans becoming uninsured,” said Chris Hansen, president of the advocacy arm of the American Cancer Society.

“Research shows uninsured individuals are more apt to skip cancer screenings, delay getting necessary care and ultimately are more likely to have their cancer diagnosed at a later stage when survival is less likely and costs are higher. … We urge the administration and Congress to reverse this alarming trend and work together to enact bipartisan measures to protect access to quality health care for all Americans.”

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Post by MsDaisy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:21 am

The end for Obamacare? Trump administration says it will ask a court to throw out entire health law
The Trump administration told a federal court late Monday that it would ask judges to toss out the entire Affordable Care Act, a decision that cast further uncertainty over the future of a federal law that has extended health insurance to millions of Americans.

Justice Department attorneys said in a letter filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans that a lower court's ruling the health law is unconstitutional "should be affirmed" and that the "United States is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgement be reversed."

A coalition of Republican-led states brought a lawsuit, Texas v United States, arguing the entire health law should be tossed out.

In a ruling last December, U.S. District Court Judge Reed O’Connor in the Northern District of Texas agreed with the GOP-led states argument that the health law was unconstitutional. The judge ruled that the constitutional foundation for the law – the requirement that people buy insurance or pay a penalty – was no longer constitutional because Congress had repealed the penalty. O'Connor ruled that because that provision was so central to the health law, the whole thing had to be invalidated.
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Post by GreatGrey » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:13 am

MsDaisy wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:21 am
The end for Obamacare? Trump administration says it will ask a court to throw out entire health law
The Trump administration told a federal court late Monday that it would ask judges to toss out the entire Affordable Care Act, a decision that cast further uncertainty over the future of a federal law that has extended health insurance to millions of Americans.

Justice Department attorneys said in a letter filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans that a lower court's ruling the health law is unconstitutional "should be affirmed" and that the "United States is not urging that any portion of the district court's judgement be reversed."

A coalition of Republican-led states brought a lawsuit, Texas v United States, arguing the entire health law should be tossed out.

In a ruling last December, U.S. District Court Judge Reed O’Connor in the Northern District of Texas agreed with the GOP-led states argument that the health law was unconstitutional. The judge ruled that the constitutional foundation for the law – the requirement that people buy insurance or pay a penalty – was no longer constitutional because Congress had repealed the penalty. O'Connor ruled that because that provision was so central to the health law, the whole thing had to be invalidated.
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Post by MsDaisy » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:29 pm

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:54 pm

I think that was a typo: Trump meant:
The Republican Party will become “The Party of Wealthcare!”

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Post by Volkonski » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:39 pm

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President Trump met w Senate GOP today to tell them to do a health care plan. He provided no policy specifics besides it must cover preexisting conditions. Rs left the meeting divided on what he meant. Some think repeal, others think reduce health costs. (For some, thats same)

1:46 PM - 26 Mar 2019

Trump's "real mission statement of the day was ‘take up a Republican health care package,'" said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.). “He really feels like right now he has some wind at his back, its time to propose serious policy and work on it and healthcare is one he wants to work on.”
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Post by Turtle » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:04 pm

Because it went so well for him last time when they had a GOP-controlled House and Senate.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:08 pm

Trump is that Pictionary partner who keeps yelling out the same answer over and over and over and...
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Post by Addie » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:58 pm

Daily Beast
'WTF Is Wrong With Them': Republicans Horrified as Trump Goes After Obamacare Again

Over the past 24 hours, Republican officials have watched in horror as the Trump administration once again fully embraced the repeal of Obamacare, just over a year after the issue proved toxic for the party at the ballot box.

The embrace came in two steps: with the Department of Justice siding with a lower court ruling that declared the health care law invalid in toto and with the president tweeting that the Republican Party would become the party of health care reform. And it quickly complicated what was widely viewed as one of the best weeks of Trump’s presidency. Ebullient over a four-page summarization of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s meddling—a summarization that said the president was not guilty of collusion—Trump suddenly found himself back in a debate that has vexed his administration.

GOP officials couldn’t help but marvel at Trump’s inability to enjoy a rare grace period. “They are completely tone deaf,” texted one of the party’s top strategists. “How bout a few more victory laps on Mueller while you can get away with it? WTF is wrong with them?”

But seasoned Trump hands were hardly surprised at the rake Trump had placed his foot on. “And there’s something unusual about him stepping on a good message?” one former administration official said, laughing when asked about the timing of the announcement. ...

Trump did little to alleviate the anxiety later on Tuesday, when he addressed Senate Republicans and reiterated his desire to tackle health care reform again but, according to several senators, didn’t offer any specifics. ...

Those close to the president say that part of what motivates him on continuing his pursuit in scrapping the Affordable Care Act, even after past failures, is his inability to move beyond setbacks. When other party stalwarts or members of the Republican elite see a liability and political third rails, Trump simply sees the visceral satisfaction of erasing a cornerstone of the Obama legacy.

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Post by Fortinbras » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:56 pm

The Republicans in Congress have little to worry about .... their fingerprints will not be found on the corpse of Obamacare, the dirty work will be done by Trump's judges. The Republicans can excuse themselves with "Well, I was for ACA, but you can see that it was the judges who decided that ACA was unconstitutional."

The entire ACA may not be gone in a single stroke, it may require the death of a thousand cuts. This is going to be ugly, and even the election of a Democratic president and both Houses entirely Democratic may not be enough to rescue or revive ACA until a flock of newer judges can be put in place (and since Trump won't leave any vacancies unfilled, it may take a long while).

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Post by Dan1100 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:08 am

Fortinbras wrote:
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The Republicans in Congress have little to worry about .... their fingerprints will not be found on the corpse of Obamacare, the dirty work will be done by Trump's judges. The Republicans can excuse themselves with "Well, I was for ACA, but you can see that it was the judges who decided that ACA was unconstitutional."

The entire ACA may not be gone in a single stroke, it may require the death of a thousand cuts. This is going to be ugly, and even the election of a Democratic president and both Houses entirely Democratic may not be enough to rescue or revive ACA until a flock of newer judges can be put in place (and since Trump won't leave any vacancies unfilled, it may take a long while).
As far as I am concerned, the ACA was private insurance's last (and undeserved) chance to show they could get the job done. If the Democrats take both houses of Congress and the Presidency, there is no reason to resurrect the ACA. It would be time to go directly to a single payer system modeled on the already court blessed Medicare system.
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Post by Suranis » Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:40 am

Seems Trumps move came over the objections of pretty much his entire cabinet.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/ ... et-1238359
White House Obamacare reversal made over Cabinet objections

The heads of the Justice Department and Health and Human Services Department opposed the unexpected switch in legal tactics.

By ELIANA JOHNSON and BURGESS EVERETT

03/26/2019 09:33 PM EDT

The Trump administration’s surprising move to invalidate Obamacare on Monday came despite the opposition of two key cabinet secretaries: Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and Attorney General Bill Barr.

Driving the dramatic action were the administration’s domestic policy chief, Joe Grogan, and the acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russ Vought, according to three sources with direct knowledge of the decision. Both are close allies of White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, who helped to engineer the move.

But Monday’s terse, two-sentence letter from the Department of Justice to a federal appeals court, which reversed the administration’s previous partial opposition to a lawsuit challenging the 2010 health care law, took many Republicans aback — in part because they see it as bringing high political risk for a party that has failed to unite behind an Obamacare alternative and which lost House seats in the 2018 midterms when Democrats made health care a focus of their attacks.

The new challenge to Obamacare follows a heated internal administration debate that began late last year and continued through yesterday's announcement. Azar argued against backing a lawsuit seeking the full repeal of the health care law at a White House meeting in late December, citing the lack of a Republican alternative, according to two sources briefed on internal discussions, while Mulvaney said that taking a bold stance would force Congress into repealing and replacing the law.

In a statement, HHS insisted there was no dispute between Azar and Mulvaney over the lawsuit.

“Secretary Azar fully supports the Administration’s litigation position in the ACA case, which bears his name,” HHS spokeswoman Caitlin Oakley said in a statement. “Any insinuation that Secretary Azar has ‘butted heads’ with Mulvaney on this issue is false.”

Barr also opposed the decision, and now finds himself in the uncomfortable position of running the department that leads the new charge against Obamacare. His opposition was based in part on skepticism among conservative lawyers about the wisdom of seeking to overturn the law, officially known as the Affordable Care Act. The Supreme Court in 2012 upheld the constitutionality of Obamacare's individual mandate, which the current lawsuit is once again challenging. The attorney general, who was confirmed only a month ago, was overruled by the White House.
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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:52 pm

How does the WH intend to move new legislation thru Congress when they are lacking the House majority? Are they speculating on some Democrats jumping the fence?

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Post by Slim Cognito » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:24 pm

My WAG is trump expects the courts to strike down the ACA, with no stay, just pull the rug out from under everyone, leaving them vulnerable, then threaten the House they'd better agree or they'll get blamed for not passing trumpcare.

Sadly, it will work on the trumpies.

And although I'm usually on the If At First You Don't Succeed... team, after ten years and a dozen failed attempts, I don't see the GOP pulling off anything remotely acceptable.

Also, too also, I bet Susan Collins is pissed. She's up for reelection in 2020 and she's still smarting from the last Acme safe McConnell dropped on her. Although, now that the Senate GOP has a slightly larger majority, she may be able to get away with voting no.
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Post by much ado » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:26 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:24 pm
My WAG is trump expects the courts to strike down the ACA, with no stay, just pull the rug out from under everyone, leaving them vulnerable, then threaten the House they'd better agree or they'll get blamed for not passing trumpcare.

Sadly, it will work on the trumpies.
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Post by tencats » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:22 pm

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The cartoon above shows Donald Trump unplugging the life support system of a sick person. Some of you may think that's over-the-top. I don't. The latest move by the Trump administration would do exactly that -- by abolishing Obamacare and taking health insurance away from many millions of Americans. For many of them, that would amount to a death sentence.

A handful of Republican-controlled states have filed suit to have Obamacare declared unconstitutional and abolished -- and they got a right-wing judge in Texas to rule in their favor. The case is now pending before an appeals court. The federal government had stayed out of the case -- until Monday.

On Monday, the Trump administration filed in federal court, agreeing with the red states and the decision of the Texas judge. Trump wants Obamacare to be declared unconstitutional.
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Post by Addie » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:01 pm

Mother Jones: Republicans Are Privately Begging Trump to Drop His New Effort to Kill Obamacare

The president, unsurprisingly, appears to be ignoring his party’s concerns.

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Post by MN-Skeptic » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:39 pm

From Bloomberg -

Trump’s Group Health Plan Rules Struck Down as ACA ‘End-Run’
One of President Donald Trump’s health-care initiatives intended as a cheaper alternative to Obamacare suffered a crucial defeat when a judge ruled the policy violates the Affordable Care Act.

U.S. District Judge John Bates in Washington on Thursday blocked new rules governing so-called association health plans, or AHPs, which let businesses and individuals band together to create group health plans that offer less expensive coverage than the ACA -- but without some of its protections.

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The final rules governing AHPs were created by the Labor Department to comply with an executive order issued by Trump in October 2017. The agency has been phasing them in since August. The legal challenge was brought by nearly a dozen Democratic state attorneys general.

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While association health plans are bound by some ACA protections, they don’t have to adhere to a minimum set of benefits. The plans can also use demographic factors such as age, gender and occupation to set premiums.

They’re also not part of the same risk pools as Obamacare plans, raising concerns that they could siphon healthier people away from the ACA markets with lower premiums. Proponents of AHPs argued many of those people were already priced out, and the policy would offer them more affordable coverage.
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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:10 pm

:twisted: Who knew that governing by Executive Orders would be so difficult....

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Post by Turtle » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:35 pm

John Kasich: if you go around telling people you're gonna take away their healthcare, they're not gonna vote for you.

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Post by Addie » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:58 pm

New York Times
Dealing Another Blow to Trump, Federal Judge Strikes Down Rule Skirting Requirements of Health Act

WASHINGTON — A federal judge on Thursday struck down a Trump administration rule that allows small businesses to band together and set up health insurance plans that skirt requirements of the Affordable Care Act.

The rule is “clearly an end-run around the A.C.A.,” said the judge, John D. Bates, of the Federal District Court for the District of Columbia.

The ruling was the second big defeat this week for President Trump on a top-priority item on his health care agenda as he has sought to use the courts to obliterate his predecessor’s signature achievement. Another judge on Wednesday blocked Medicaid work requirements in Arkansas and Kentucky. ...

In the economic report of the president released last week, the White House said the small-business plans — known as association health plans — showed how consumers benefit when the government reduces federal regulations and increases “choice and competition in health care markets.”

But Judge Bates said that the rule authorizing such health plans was unlawful and must be set aside because it “does violence” to the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974, the framework for employer-sponsored health plans covering tens of millions of Americans.

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