Iran Sanctions Bills/Iran Deal

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:08 pm

Addie wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:02 am
New York Times

Growing Chorus Confronts Trump Against Leaving Nuclear Deal

WASHINGTON — President Trump is coming under mounting pressure from European allies and fellow Republicans to preserve the Iran nuclear deal. With the president widely expected to disavow the agreement when he outlines his Iran strategy on Friday, defenders and even erstwhile opponents of the deal are urging him not to unravel it completely.

Mr. Trump’s top national security aides are united behind a plan to decertify the deal, but leave it in place, with a goal of revising its terms. But in pursuing that course, the president will set off a volatile sequence of events that some warn could end up mortally wounding the agreement.

On Capitol Hill, lawmakers will have to decide whether to reimpose punitive sanctions on Tehran, a move that would almost certainly scuttle the 2015 deal that was brokered by world powers. In European capitals, allies are showing signs of resisting pressure to join the United States in trying to renegotiate its terms.

“While the Trump administration is making a very fine distinction between a decertification that is a report to Congress rather than leaving the deal, I’m concerned that that distinction will be lost on our allies and adversaries,” said Senator Chris Coons, a senior Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee.
Late to the party, and as I reply to above Trump has just announced his intent to d(r)ump the deal.

IIRC Teh Donald needs Congress to reinstate sanctions and I believe he did not get that guarantee. As to "renegotiation", Iran has no need to participate. They have the guarantee of the other signing nations, so those (and other Europeans) will most likely not not join any future sanctions until Iran were to inhibit the inspections and return to nuclear production. Also too, the US has its State Department still in shambles. No way that they can build a negotiation team of a couple of hundred of career diplomats that are knowlegable on the discussion subjects. And he cannot send those same diplomats that under Kerry negotiated the deal, they would be seen by Iran as non-entities with "lost face".



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Re: Iran Sanctions Bills/Iran Deal

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Post by RVInit » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:15 pm

This is not an administration that believes that need a cadre of experienced, knowledgeable career State Department employees to negotiate a deal. They think using career personnel is what was wrong with previous governments. All they need is The Donald.


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Re: Iran Sanctions Bills/Iran Deal

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:22 pm

RVInit wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:15 pm
This is not an administration that believes that need a cadre of experienced, knowledgeable career State Department employees to negotiate a deal. They think using career personnel is what was wrong with previous governments. All they need is The Donald.
Does Teh Donald have the stamina to work for 13 years to sign the next deal?
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Post by RVInit » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:26 pm

He's not worried about a deal with Iran. All he cares about is blowing up anything that Obama did. He will bluster and bluff about "replacing" all of Obama's achievements, but I doubt he's given any consideration to actually doing any of the work of replacing anything. He's nothing but a vile, hateful, jealous, destructive moron. And, in his mind, the only one who can pretty much do anything.


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Post by neeneko » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:46 pm

RVInit wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:26 pm
He's not worried about a deal with Iran.
Beyond that, I do not think he is interested in any kind of deal with Iran. At most he might be hoping for a second match on the US's humiliation during the revolution, so nothing short of the destruction of their current government and the placement of a US puppet would sooth his ego.

Which, since Iran is backed by Russia, isn't going to happen. I could see him ordering strikes in order to show his supporters just how manly he is, but he probably would not dedicate the time an attention for actual regime change.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:58 pm

RVInit wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:15 pm
This is not an administration that believes that need a cadre of experienced, knowledgeable career State Department employees to negotiate a deal. They think using career personnel is what was wrong with previous governments. All they need is The Donald.
And Jared.



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Post by RVInit » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:05 pm

:yeah: this.


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Post by Addie » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:48 am

BBC News
Iran nuclear deal: Global powers stand by pact despite Trump threat

Global powers, including key US allies, have said they will stand by the Iran nuclear deal which US President Donald Trump has threatened to tear apart.

Mr Trump said on Friday that he would stop signing off on the agreement.

The UK, France and Germany responded that the pact was "in our shared national security interest". The EU said it was "not up to any single country to terminate" a "working" deal.

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani said the US was "more isolated than ever".

"Can a president annul a multilateral international treaty on his own?" he asked.

"Apparently he doesn't know that this agreement is not a bilateral agreement solely between Iran and the United States."


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Post by PaulG » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:05 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:58 pm
RVInit wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:15 pm
This is not an administration that believes that need a cadre of experienced, knowledgeable career State Department employees to negotiate a deal. They think using career personnel is what was wrong with previous governments. All they need is The Donald.
And Jared.
"Jared" is the closest he ever gets to actually doing something himself. Otherwise, he hopes somebody else will do the work and he will get take the credit. If nobody else is interested...



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:42 pm

Addie wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:48 am
BBC News
Iran nuclear deal: Global powers stand by pact despite Trump threat

Global powers, including key US allies, have said they will stand by the Iran nuclear deal which US President Donald Trump has threatened to tear apart.

Mr Trump said on Friday that he would stop signing off on the agreement.

The UK, France and Germany responded that the pact was "in our shared national security interest". The EU said it was "not up to any single country to terminate" a "working" deal.

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani said the US was "more isolated than ever".

"Can a president annul a multilateral international treaty on his own?" he asked.

"Apparently he doesn't know that this agreement is not a bilateral agreement solely between Iran and the United States."
:yeah:
Even Iran knows this :o



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Re: Iran Sanctions Bills/Iran Deal

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Post by MsDaisy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:56 am

I didn't see this one posted.

Trump just slapped new sanctions on Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
Analysts say the measures could cause Iran to retaliate.
The Trump administration on Friday announced new sanctions against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the powerful security and military organization that is key to Iran’s regional influence, as part of Trump’s broader agenda to get tough on Iran for its support for terrorism in the Middle East.

The Treasury Department authorized the sanctions against the IRGC using a 9/11-era executive order that George W. Bush’s administration used to block financing to terrorist organizations.

The new designation freezes the IRGC out of the US financial system. The Treasury Department also announced new sanctions against three Iranian companies and a Chinese company for supporting the Iranian military or the IRGC.

Experts say the move could put a dent in Iran’s fragile economy and cause the IRGC to retaliate against US military forces in the Middle East.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/13/16 ... -sanctions

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Re: Iran Sanctions Bills/Iran Deal

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Post by tencats » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:22 pm

Iran’s Khamenei: We’ll observe Deal if Europe does, despite “Charlatan,” Trump
By Juan Cole | Oct. 19, 2017
Iran’s clerical Leader, Ali Khamenei, said on Wednesday that he did not intend to engage in a tit for tat with Donald Trump, who had attacked Iran in a speech last week.

“Naturally, I do not want to spend time right now in replying to the fables and falsehoods of this charlatan president of the republic. . .” He added that replying to such as Trump is “a waste of time.”
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He complained that the US has gone about roiling the Middle East, supporting Israeli oppression of the Palestinians and of Lebanon, and creating ISIL [this is a false allegation — JC] and supporting extremist groups that routinely excommunicate Shiites and other Muslims from the religion. He said the US regime is angry with Iran because Tehran had foiled their dastardly plots in the region, including in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. He quoted sardonically former secretary of state Condi Rice’s saying that a new Middle East is being born. Sure it is, he said, and it isn’t the one Washington imagined.

Khamenei said that the new US president had shown himself to be a moron, but nevertheless, Iranians should not let their guard down in the face of the sly tricks of the US.

https://www.juancole.com/2017/10/khamen ... latan.html



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Re: Iran Sanctions Bills/Iran Deal

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Post by Addie » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:39 pm

Associated Press
Officials: Iran deal survives, Trump to waive sanctions

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Friday will extend waivers on Iran nuclear sanctions, keeping alive the landmark 2015 deal for at least another several months despite his past vows to scuttle the deal, officials said

Three officials said the waivers will be accompanied by other, targeted sanctions on Iran for human rights abuses and a stern warning that Trump will pull out of the nuclear deal negotiated by the Obama administration if fixes aren’t made by spring. The next deadline for extending nuclear sanctions relief will come in mid-May.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to publicly preview the decision. They said Trump’s waiver announcement will also include harsh criticism of Iran’s response to recent protests against the Islamic Republic’s leadership. ...

Trump received a formal recommendation from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Defense Secretary James Mattis and national security adviser H.R. McMaster on Thursday, officials said. Their advice is opposed by some Republican lawmakers.


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