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I am confuzzled this morning, :swoon:, but there was this last month. Something? Anything? You hafta help me. :swoon:

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U.S. judge says he will order State Dept. to begin releasing Ukraine records in 30 days

A federal judge said Wednesday that he will order the State Department to begin releasing Ukraine-related documents in 30 days, potentially making public sensitive records and communications at the heart of an ongoing House impeachment inquiry into President Trump.

The decision, by U.S. District Judge Christopher R. “Casey” Cooper of Washington, D.C., came in a public records lawsuit filed Oct. 1 by a government watchdog group, American Oversight.

The group in May asked the State Department for records related to alleged efforts by Trump and his administration to pressure Ukraine to investigate a political opponent, former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

Using the Freedom of Information Act, the group sought communications, such as those between Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani. It also sought records and communications since March 2018 related to the recall of U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch.

Cooper said during an emergency hearing Wednesday that he would order the State Department to begin producing records in 30 days, American Oversight said. The 30-day deadline falls amid a House impeachment inquiry, which Democratic leaders have signaled they wish to conclude by year’s end.

“Despite the ongoing obstruction of Congress, the Trump administration will now have to start releasing records concerning its dealings with Ukraine,” Austin Evers, the executive director of American Oversight, said in a statement.

Cooper cited the critical importance of the documents and ordered the State Department to fast-track the release by working with American Oversight to search and process requested, nonexempt records.
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Interesting timing of this leak.

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So AFAIK, this watchdog group FOIA'd the State Department for documents relating to their dirty business in Ukraine. After having been ignored, they sued to enforce their FOIA requests. The judge agreed with the Plaintiffs, and gave the State Department until today to comply with the court order. Likely they will turn over some stuff, probably heavily redacted OR they will wait until the last minute and file some sort of dilatory motion to drag this out.

I don't think the subject documents are related to Lindsey's planned ridiculous hearing (which wants to go after what Biden did while he was VP)
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ty, Tex. Maybe I'll be able to sleep tonight. 8-)

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Weirdly, this is gone from Faux News' page today. (It may have been there earlier, but I didn't look.) It's also possible it's still there, but buried further down in their page. But all the headlines are about impeachment.
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Justice Dept. watchdog finds political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI’s Russia probe but documents other errors

The Justice Department’s internal watchdog is expected to find in a forthcoming report that political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, while at the same time criticizing the bureau for systemic failures in its handling of surveillance applications, according to two U.S. officials.

The report due out Dec. 9 from Inspector General Michael Horowitz will allege that a low-level FBI lawyer inappropriately altered a document that was used as part of a controversial application for electronic surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser, the officials said. The inspector general referred that finding to U.S. Attorney John Durham, so that he may investigate it as a possible crime, they said.

But Horowitz will conclude that the application still had a proper legal and factual basis, according to the officials, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive report.

In broad terms, the report refutes accusations of a political conspiracy by senior law enforcement officials against the Trump campaign to favor Democrat Hillary Clinton, while also knocking the bureau for procedural shortcomings, said the officials. On balance, they said, it provides a mixed assessment of the bureau and department’s undertaking of a probe that became highly politicized and divided the nation.

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Justice Dept. watchdog finds political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI’s Russia probe but documents other errors
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Also too George Papadopolous is still guilty!
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BUT... But.... but.... HILLARY !!! Emails !!!! Ukrain server !!!! :blackeye:

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/p ... tw-nytimes

Russia Inquiry Review Is Said to Criticize F.B.I. but Rebuff Claims of Biased Acts

A watchdog report will portray the pursuit of a wiretap of an ex-Trump adviser as sloppy, but it also debunks some accusations by Trump allies of F.B.I. wrongdoing.

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https://heavy.com/news/2018/06/kevin-clinesmith-e/
Kevin Clinesmith is a former FBI lawyer expected to be cited for wrongdoing in an upcoming report by the Justice Department’s inspector general. The New York Times reported Friday that the inspector general’s report is expected to accuse Clinesmith of altering an email that officials used when preparing to seek court approval for the renewal of a wiretap of former Trump campaign advisor Carter Page.

In 2018, GOP congressman Mark Meadows publicly accused Clinesmith of possibly being the FBI lawyer described in the inspector general’s report as writing anti-Trump messages, including one that declared “viva le resistance.”

Meadows, a Republican from North Carolina, released the identities of Clinesmith and Sally Moyer during a hearing on the Inspector General’s report into the FBI’s investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails. According to The New York Post, Meadows did so over the objections of the FBI, and the Inspector General and FBI have not confirmed the identities. The lawyer mentioned in the IG report worked on both the Clinton and Russian investigations but left the latter after the IG shared his instant messages with the special counsel. However, The New York Post later revealed that Moyer was not the lawyer that Meadows had implied.

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Kendra wrote:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/p ... tw-nytimes

Russia Inquiry Review Is Said to Criticize F.B.I. but Rebuff Claims of Biased Acts

A watchdog report will portray the pursuit of a wiretap of an ex-Trump adviser as sloppy, but it also debunks some accusations by Trump allies of F.B.I. wrongdoing.
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tek wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:36 pm
Kendra wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:34 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/p ... tw-nytimes

Russia Inquiry Review Is Said to Criticize F.B.I. but Rebuff Claims of Biased Acts

A watchdog report will portray the pursuit of a wiretap of an ex-Trump adviser as sloppy, but it also debunks some accusations by Trump allies of F.B.I. wrongdoing.
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Meh. I think what they found was slim pickens, hence the vague announcement, instead of fanfare. They had to come up with something. I remain skeptical that what they found amounts to much.
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Sorry if this is a dupe. I can't keep up.

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Justice Dept. watchdog finds political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI’s Russia probe but documents errors

The Justice Department’s internal watchdog is expected to find in a forthcoming report that political bias did not taint top officials running the FBI investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign in 2016, while at the same time criticizing the bureau for systemic failures in its handling of surveillance applications, according to two U.S. officials.

The much-anticipated report due out Dec. 9 from Inspector General Michael Horowitz will allege that a low-level FBI lawyer inappropriately altered a document that was used during the process to renew a controversial warrant for electronic surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser, the officials said. The inspector general referred that finding to U.S. Attorney John Durham, and the lawyer involved is being investigated criminally for possibly making a false statement, they said.

The Justice Department inspector general faults low-level FBI lawyer for altering document

But Horowitz will conclude that the application still had a proper legal and factual basis, and, more broadly, that FBI officials did not act improperly in opening the Russia investigation, according to the officials, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive report.

The report generally rebuts accusations of a political conspiracy among senior law enforcement officials against the Trump campaign to favor Democrat Hillary Clinton while also knocking the bureau for procedural shortcomings in the FBI, the officials said. On balance, they said, it provides a mixed assessment of the FBI and Justice Department’s undertaking of a probe that became highly politicized and divided the nation.
Adding:
Daily Beast: According to The New York Times, Inspector General Michael Horowitz is expected to state that he found no evidence of political bias from FBI Director James Comey, ex-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, or former FBI agent Peter Strzok at the beginning stages of the Trump-Russia investigation.

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:rotflmao:

Reuters
Trump predicts report on origins of Russia probe will be 'historic'

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump predicted on Friday that a government watchdog report on the origins of the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, which engulfed two years of his presidency, will be historic.

“The word is it’s historic,” Trump told Fox News Channel about an upcoming Justice Department watchdog report on the FBI’s adherence to Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requirements during the 2016 campaign.

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Addie wrote:
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Reuters
Trump predicts report on origins of Russia probe will be 'historic'
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Meaning he ignored what his aides told him about the result. :brickwallsmall:
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His aides could tell him 2 + 2 = 4 but if Hannity told him it equaled 5, he'd be bragging how he, and only he, was able to solve that impossible math equation to reveal the correct answer of 5.

And thank you in advance for his Nobel Prize in Economics.
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So AFAIK, this watchdog group FOIA'd the State Department for documents relating to their dirty business in Ukraine. After having been ignored, they sued to enforce their FOIA requests. The judge agreed with the Plaintiffs, and gave the State Department until today to comply with the court order. Likely they will turn over some stuff, probably heavily redacted OR they will wait until the last minute and file some sort of dilatory motion to drag this out.

I don't think the subject documents are related to Lindsey's planned ridiculous hearing (which wants to go after what Biden did while he was VP)

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Big fuc*ing deal, E&O. Hope they gave the guy a heads up, why did they have to release his name? They're going to go after him. Really nice for Thanksgiving. From that NY Times story:

Investigators for the inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, uncovered errors and omissions in documents related to the wiretapping of a former Trump campaign adviser, Carter Page — including that a low-level lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email that officials used to prepare to seek court approval to renew the wiretap, the people said.

Mr. Horowitz referred his findings about Mr. Clinesmith to prosecutors for a potential criminal charge. Mr. Clinesmith left the Russia investigation in February 2018 after the inspector general identified him as one of a handful of F.B.I. officials who expressed animus toward Mr. Trump in text messages and resigned about two months ago, after the inspector general’s team interviewed him.

Though Mr. Trump’s allies have seized on the messages from Mr. Clinesmith and his colleagues as proof of anti-Trump bias, Mr. Clinesmith has not been a prominent figure in the partisan firefight over the investigation. His lawyer declined to comment, as did a spokeswoman for Mr. Horowitz.
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This is also significant, also in the Times story:
The report is also said to conclude that Joseph Mifsud, a Russia-linked professor who told a Trump campaign official that Russia had damaging information on Mrs. Clinton in the form of hacked Democratic emails — a key fact used to open the investigation — was not an F.B.I. informant. That undercuts an assertion of conservative critics of the inquiry.

None of the evidence used to open the investigation came from the C.I.A. or from a notorious dossier of claims about Trump-Russia ties compiled by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent whose research was funded by Democrats, the report concludes, according to the people briefed on it.
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Cuomo's show (three exclusives blowing Donald & Co out of the water, Chris notes how silent the right got today, plus Devin's connection to all this).





Hannity wasn't even on tonight, Jason Chafetz guest hosted. He hadn't read the NY Times report, it's all old news he's using.







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Weirdly, this is gone from Faux News' page today. (It may have been there earlier, but I didn't look.) It's also possible it's still there, but buried further down in their page. But all the headlines are about impeachment.
This may have something to do with a WAPO story on that, which examined the leaks and spotted something not so nice about them. I could link it, but fuck that, lets link to a Wonkette story about the story!

https://www.wonkette.com/gop-declares-f ... -fisa-lies
The only wrongdoing appears to have been a low-level attorney who "erroneously indicated he had documentation to back up a claim he had made in discussions with the Justice Department about the factual basis for the application. He then altered an email to back up that erroneous claim." Which is really bad. That person has been forced out of the Justice Department and reportedly referred to John Durham for possible criminal prosecution. Your Wonkette cosigns, don't do that.

But SURPRISE, three years of GOP howling about Andy McCabe, Peter Strzok, James Comey, Lisa Page, and some kind of Deep State conspiracy to take down Donald Trump turns out to be bullshit. Some line attorney fucked up, but everyone else was doing their damn jobs. Except for James Comey, who was performatively kicking Hillary Clinton in the shins on television to prove NO BIASSSS in the mistaken assumption that she was guaranteed to win.

And the line attorney's fuckup doesn't change the fact that Carter Page was meeting with members of the Kremlin in the middle of a Kremlin campaign to boost Trump's election. Which is exactly what the inspector general found.
The Justice Department inspector general has found evidence that an FBI employee may have altered a document connected to court-approved surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser, but has concluded that the conduct did not affect the overall validity of the surveillance application, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter. [Emphasis added.]
If this is the big reveal and the rest is just procedural criticisms, they got nuthin'. To be fair, though, we have no idea if Inspector General Michael Horowitz turned up any serious issues with the FBI's use of foreign surveillance in the Russia investigation. We'll just have to wait until the report drops on December 9, followed by IG Horowitz's Senate testimony on the 11th. Having no goddamn idea won't stop your favorite congressliars from spinning this shit as if they've found the smoking gun, of course.
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and CNN just gave Carter Page air time.. :torches: :torches:

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Watched a tiny bit of F&F. Jason Chaffetz was on at the top of the first hour. They're all over this new report and how BAD it's going to be for all the former guys at the top.

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