The Democrats have to impeach him....

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Post by pipistrelle » Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:03 am

Gregg wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:48 am
You can't hold much in the way of hearings if the Administration is playing "Fuck the Pope, how many tanks does he have" and just defying subpeonas, refusing to let witnesses testify and the Justice Department can't be bothered to pursue Contempt charges. At best he can fight, ignore, appeal and defy every step of process to compel him to follow the law and we can have to courts finally say (hopefully, but not a sure bet right now) "no, the President cannot execute material witnesses on Fifth Avenue without trial" by about 2030 or so.
We are just about two steps from cancelling elections and declaring him Maximum Leader for Life, people.
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Post by Danraft » Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:16 am

I skimmed through this quickly, so if its been said, I think it still bears repeating.

Its about the process, not the outcome. How was the Clinton impeachment? It wasn't a victory at the end.

Its about WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED.
Because the GOP controlled House and Senate there were not open hearings. Unlike other controversies such as Nixon, Iran-Contra, Anita Hill, etc the House and Senate investigations played out in private arenas (and we still don't know what was said.)

If these had been "live" the constant misrepresentation of facts which led to the tremendous divide between what people believe (right down partisan lines) would be a shadow of what it is now.

Look at how much difference the Cohen hearing made--and he had lied to Congress before.

This needs the disinfectant of sun light upon it or it will always be" the crazy demented liberals just couldn't accept the 2016 loss".

Meanwhile, getting every bit of fact out there possible with ads and articles in whatever demographically appropriate media it can be. Challenge Tucker et al to debate the salient points?

It is being played (and believed )as a partisan witch hunt based on a Russian dossier.

Of course, there isn't logic to work with, so it has to be trusted sources, few that there are, speaking truth.

But, if there can be sufficient open testimony, hell yes, do it. It will be devastating.
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Post by ZekeB » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:18 pm

Gregg wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:48 am
We are just about two steps from cancelling elections and declaring him Maximum Leader for Life, people.
Step number one being the House and Senate buildings burning down during some night and blaming it on the Mexicans.
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Post by RVInit » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:57 pm

We all may have different ideas on who we think might be sitting in front of the congressional committees on TV giving testimony. Mueller can clearly be asked, and can clearly confirm a shitload of extremely harmful information that is contained in his report and not redacted. There is no way Barr or Trump can prevent him from repeating and confirming every unredacted detail in that report. As well, there are a number of other people outside the control of Barr and Trump that can testify to details in that report. Including the FACT that the report says, among other things, that lying by Trump campaign officials and destruction of correspondence is part of the lack of sufficient evidence and that it may have made a difference as to whether there was sufficient evidence. And that only talks about what he doesn't have. The report contains over 400 pages of what he DOES have. So, I respectfully disagree that there are not sufficient number of people who can and will testify in front of congressional committees.
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Post by Gregg » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:57 pm

If Mueller tries to testify Trump will claim Executive Privilege (he's an employee of the Justice Department, after all) and again, the courts will decide to let him testify for my grandkids, maybe.

They're not playing by the rules, and they don't have any shame about it.
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Post by voxpopuluxe » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:34 am
Trump's biggest fear is likely his fan base finding out he's a colossal failure and has been all his life. That's the only way I can explain the constant stream of how he's the bestest, bigliest, most awesome president ever ...
Yeah, I’m thinking that his fan base doesn’t care that he’s a failure because to them he isn’t—he’s making the rules and to them it’s all about power. All they care about is that he’s hurting the people they want to hurt. They aren’t going to suddenly discover that he’s a failure because he isn’t a failure to them. He’s a wrecking ball. I wish more people understood this.
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Post by June bug » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:33 pm

voxpopuluxe wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm
pipistrelle wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:34 am
Trump's biggest fear is likely his fan base finding out he's a colossal failure and has been all his life. That's the only way I can explain the constant stream of how he's the bestest, bigliest, most awesome president ever ...
Yeah, I’m thinking that his fan base doesn’t care that he’s a failure because to them he isn’t—he’s making the rules and to them it’s all about power. All they care about is that he’s hurting the people they want to hurt. They aren’t going to suddenly discover that he’s a failure because he isn’t a failure to them. He’s a wrecking ball. I wish more people understood this.
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Post by Sunrise » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:01 pm

Vic, you nailed it perfectly. Sad but so on target.
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Post by Gregg » Wed May 08, 2019 6:06 pm

I'm telling y'all, this could fall apart very suddenly if there's something that's he's fighting to protect so hard.

Nixon was a lock to be acquitted in The Senate until about the 30th of July, 1974.
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Post by sad-cafe » Wed May 08, 2019 6:25 pm

either that or burn it all the fuck down. When he strikes Iran we are soooooooooo fucked anyway

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Post by Slim Cognito » Thu May 09, 2019 9:09 am

sad-cafe wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 6:25 pm
either that or burn it all the fuck down. When he strikes Iran we are soooooooooo fucked anyway
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Post by Gregg » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:39 pm

I'm having to come back to this, because..., Casey Anthony.

Lemme explain.

I wrote off Florida being a sane place when Casey Anthony was acquitted. And now all the lawyers can back me into a corner and beat me about the head, because I didn't sit through the trial and I didn't see every piece of evidence and ....ad infinitum. She's entitled to a fair trial, good defense (who it turns out was working for sex at least part of the time) and , and and. I get it. But every since then I have missed few opportunities to point out that it is settled law in Florida that its legal to murder your 2 year old if she was a drag and you're a hot party girl.

That's a point I will stand by. And I know I didn't see all the evidence, but apparently the Jury didn't either. The State failed to present the right case, the media made it impossible to seat a jury with an average IQ over their shoe size, the Judge let the defense toss metric phucktonnes of nothing up against the wall to see what sticks, Pick one or all of the above. The final end is, someone got away with killing that baby. Because somebody else failed to do any number of things to hold anyone accountable. (and fuck you Nancy Grace for making sure that every living person in the western hemisphere knew so much about the case, including the eventual jurors, that when the state didn't disprove all the crazy conspiracy theories on the internetz, they concluded that meant "reasonable doubt")

But I digress.

We all know Trump is so crooked he has to screw his pants on in the morning. Everyone in America knows it. In 50 years, the Republicans will be looked on with all the sympathy we now feel for National Socialists and the people in Italy who made the trains run on time. I would venture that most, a lot, some, a big minority, a few maybe one Republican loathes Trump as much as I do but they're afraid to stand up to him because of politics. They'd get a primary challenger who is more pure on the Master Race theory than they are, otherwise they're as anxious as anyone to shuttle Emperor Cheeto off to the home, if not a medium security prison I'd prefer. But they don't want to lose an election.

Because of that, they may win another election or two, but they are going to lose history. I guess they're cool with that. Fuck 'em.

But if the Democrats don't impeach him in the House, even knowing the Senate will never convict, for no other reason than they are afraid it will hurt them politically, how, on this one issue, are they any better than Lindsey phucking Graham or Devin "call my Cow and tell her I'm com ing" Nunnes?

If the guy across the street is running a rape room in the basement (or his Pizza Place or not), and everyone knows it, should I keep my mouth shut because some of the neighbors think he's just a great guy? Because if I call him out, I will never go to the July 4th Block Party again?

Because, eventually, it will out what the guy is doing. And when that day comes, I don't want to have to explain why I didn't say anything.

Democrats in Congress should be like that.
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Post by Clairez » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:54 pm

/clap Bravo, Bravo! A righteous rant if I have ever heard one!!

If the Democrats don't impeach this amoral monster, they are just as guilty as the Republicans! Impeachment is not supposed to be a political issue, instead, it is supposed to be a constitutional duty when you have someone this corrupt in office.

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Post by AndyinPA » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:14 pm

Yes! I see this as more about the constitution than about politics (but then I'm not a politician; they see everything through a different lens).

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Post by tek » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:23 pm

Gregg wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:39 pm
We all know Trump is so crooked he has to screw his pants on in the morning.
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I think what bothers me is that house democrats have known for months that they were eventually going to have to begin impeachment proceedings. I agree that they need solid evidence to start that (to avoid sour grapes problems), but they've pissed away months when they could/should have been getting that evidence. So today they are no further down that path then they were in March.

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