Oversight/Intel Committees - Feb 27 2019: Michael Cohen Testimony

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I'm not sure how Cohen could intentionally and substantially lie at this point — don't OSC and others pretty much have tons of documentation?

Also, didn't Cohen claim there are "tapes"? Let's hear them. :)

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What the hell kind of President has a buddy called Matt “the Squid” Calamari?

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I’m starting to get worried that there’s real, actual proof that Cohen did lie when he stated he never wanted to work in the White House. He apparently told many people that was his hope and now people like Meadows and Jordan are using that as a means of showing that he perjured himself and therefore can’t be believed about anything.

Can someone talk me down about this before I lose another night’s sleep? :(
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Sunrise wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:10 pm
I’m starting to get worried that there’s real, actual proof that Cohen did lie when he stated he never wanted to work in the White House. He apparently told many people that was his hope and now people like Meadows and Jordan are using that as a means of showing that he perjured himself and therefore can’t be believed about anything.

Can someone talk me down about this before I lose another night’s sleep? :(
They don't care whether or not there's proof. Doing that work takes a kind of rigor they are unaccustomed to.
They're just looking to make noise. Like the thing about the evidence boxes. Even after he explained they were returned, a couple others kept on about it and one of them said he should be investigated for witholding evidence.

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In terms of perjury charges from what i read its about stuff thats "material" to the case. While I don't believe a word of it, i.e. of course he was jonesing for a job in the administration, in terms of his believability on the stuff where he has documentary evidence and the stuff people actually give a shite about, it does not matter a damn.
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Maddow Wins Wednesday Night Ratings As MSNBC Has Its Highest-Rated Day Ever
According to ratings data released Thursday by Nielsen, MSNBC finished first among total viewers from 9 a.m. ET, before the Cohen testimony began, to 5 p.m., the network’s highest-rated daytime performance ever. MSNBC drew a total daytime audience of 2.652 million, ahead of Fox News Channel’s 2.252 million and CNN’s 2.011 million. Among viewers 25-54, the demographic most coveted by advertisers, CNN led in daytime, with 554,000. MSNBC was second with 421,000 followed by Fox, with 369,000.

In prime time, MSNBC’s The Rachel Maddow Show dominated the 9 p.m. hour, leading all of cable news among total viewers (3.839 million), and finishing first in the demo with 818,000 viewers. Maddow Fox News Channel’s Hannity, with host Sean Hannity reporting from Vietnam, finished second with 3.705 million total viewers and 698,000 viewers 25-54.
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Suranis wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:22 pm
Gym Jordan goes to the mat (heh heh) for Trump

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1 ... 2133299200
Rep. Jim Jordan
‏Verified account @Jim_Jordan

In yesterday’s hearing, Michael Cohen made at least six false statements.

@RepMarkMeadows and I have referred Mr. Cohen to the Justice Department for perjury.

Looks like he lied to Congress. Again.
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Finally, no referral from the Minority is required to be investigated, especially one that appears to have been drafted by a 1L at The University of Better Call Saul.

Stick to covering up sex crimes at universities. That’s where your real talent lies, Gym.

Defense rests.

Honestly, this poorly drafted excuse for an unenforceable legal document is not quite as embarrassing as your bowl cut, but it is quite close. 🙄
First, Jordan wishes he had Saul Goodman's smarts.
Second, who else laughed out loud when Jordan (or was it Meadows?) started reading (not Cohen's) tweets into the record as *evidence* of Cohen's lies? How many degrees of Kevin Bacon are we talking here?
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Gym Jordan is an ass, and that is probably the nicest thing I'll ever say about him, as to his opinions, as to his opinions, there is no measure as to how little I care.

Silly me, I thought it was just a given that at one point or another every member of the LaRump crime family lusted after and aspired to a cushy WH position, lord knows Jared certainly wanted/wants to be WH COS, a position he is spectacularly unfitted for.
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The Nation - Joan Walsh
Michael Cohen Destroyed Not Just Trump but Also His House GOP Defenders

A president who talks like a mob boss got protected by his GOP mob-boss wannabes. Cohen, a former Trump enforcer himself, made them all look ludicrous—and vulnerable. ...


But there were plenty of admissions with legal implications as well: Cohen testified that he conferred with Trump and Trump attorney Jay Sekulow before his May 2017 testimony to Congress and said the president encouraged him to deliver the message that there was no Russian collusion. He also admitted that he told the House and Senate Intelligence Committees that Trump’s Moscow tower discussions took place before the Republican primary began when they continued until June of 2016. Asked why he couldn’t talk about his final conversation with Trump, he revealed that it was about matters that were under investigation by the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, an investigation Congress apparently hadn’t previously known about. He testified that Trump lied when he denied knowing Russian mobster (and FBI informant) Felix Sater.

When Cohen confirmed that Trump pursued his Moscow Tower deal through much of 2016, lied about it repeatedly during his presidential campaign, and had Cohen and others seek Putin’s assistance with the deal, New Yorker writer Susan Glasser termed his admission the “classic definition of kompromat Putin had on Trump” on Twitter. No need for a pee tape, people.

Maybe most important, it was the first time the American people got to see one of the men at the heart of the case against the president, testifying against Trump in his own words. This is the constitutionally mandated oversight the House GOP has refused to conduct for two years. Cohen’s finest moment came when he challenged his GOP critics for attacking him by pointing out they were acting just like him.

“I did the same thing that you’re doing now for 10 years. I protected Mr. Trump for 10 years,” he said. “That puts you into the same position that I’m in. The more people who do what I did, follow Mr. Trump blindly, will suffer the same consequences I did.” He added: “Everybody’s job at the Trump Org was to protect Mr. Trump. Every day, most of us knew we were coming in and we were going to lie for him on something. And that’s exactly what’s happening right now in this country. It’s exactly what’s happening here in government.”

Cohen testified about the “code” all Trumplings understood, with no need for Trump to order them to do bad, illegal things. “If you’ve ever covered a mob trial, that’s what it sounds like,” said CNN’s John King during a break in the action.
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The Progressive: The Cohen Hearings and the Pathological Insecurity of White Men

The closing moments of the hearing seemed to serve as a therapy session for white men suffering from the uncomfortable feeling that their moral authority, as well as their power, is in decline.

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Gym Jordan’s wolffish grinning during his questioning of Cohen told all. He wasn’t asking, it was all accusatory retaliation. You could tell when he thought he was scoring big points by the stretch of his grin.

Serious people? Not the Republicans. Maybe Justin Amash...
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Cross-posting

The New Yorker
Donald Trump Went to Vietnam, and Michael Cohen Made It Hell

On a humiliating twenty-four hours for the President.


During his testimony to the House Oversight and Reform Committee, on Wednesday, Michael Cohen raised his bushy eyebrows and nodded emphatically as he read out the damning particulars of yet another alleged lie that Donald Trump has told the American people. The President, Cohen said in his opening statement, had admitted to him that his decades-old story about why he did not serve in the Vietnam War was false, revealing that he had never had bone-spur surgery, as he claimed in order to receive a medical deferment. The disclosure from Trump came during the 2016 campaign, when Cohen’s job was to shut down the bad press coverage of Trump’s dubious explanation for why he had not served in Vietnam. “You think I’m stupid?” Cohen recalled Trump telling him. “I wasn’t going to Vietnam.”

Amid Cohen’s many sensational claims of criminal wrongdoing by the President, it was perhaps understandable that this one Trump lie of many did not dominate the headlines. In seven hours of testimony, Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer testified that the President had paid hush money to cover up an affair with a porn star and produced signed checks to prove it; that he had known in advance about the WikiLeaks dump of hacked Democratic e-mails during the 2016 campaign; that he had engaged in a wide array of questionable and possibly illegal business practices; and that he had lied to the public about doing business in Russia throughout his race for the Presidency. With so much alleged wrongdoing to contemplate, Cohen’s claim that Trump was both a Vietnam draft dodger and an inveterate liar about it was almost a throwaway.

Yet Cohen disclosed this on a day when Trump was actually in Vietnam, having travelled there to broker a breakthrough deal on nuclear disarmament with the North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un. “I find it ironic,” Cohen said in his testimony, addressing the former boss he once promised to take a bullet for, “that you are in Vietnam right now.” Ironic is one word for it; incredible is another. Earlier that morning, Trump had offered a rich example of his you-can’t-make-this-up Presidency. Sitting in his Hanoi hotel room before going to one of the most important negotiating sessions of his Presidency, Trump took the time to preëmpt Cohen’s Vietnam-draft-dodger allegation with an attack of his own, Twitter-taunting the Connecticut Democratic senator Richard Blumenthal (“Da Nang Dick,” in Trumpspeak) as a Vietnam “total fraud,” because he has been accused of misrepresenting his service record. “I have now spent more time in Vietnam” than Blumenthal, Trump tweeted. Some days, Trump is so brazen it is breathtaking. Wednesday was one of those days.

By Thursday morning, however, it was clear that no amount of Trump bluster or deflection could obscure the twin disasters of the last twenty-four hours. Trump had finally gone to Vietnam, and lost the battle, if not the war. Back in Washington, the Cohen testimony had been a humiliation, the most public turning on a President by his lawyer since the White House counsel John Dean warned Richard Nixon, in 1973, that Watergate was a “cancer on the Presidency.” One striking aspect of Cohen’s testimony was that Republican members of the House Oversight and Reform Committee chose not to argue with the substance of the allegations against Trump, in effect refusing to mount a defense of the President. Instead, they concentrated their questioning on matters designed to undercut the already suspect credibility of Cohen, who will soon go to prison for, among other things, lying to Congress. In Hanoi, meanwhile, the deal that Trump had hoped to cut with Kim failed to materialize—even the shameless flattery that Trump had lavished on the young dictator was insufficient to sway Kim from his demands for immediate sanctions relief while maintaining North Korea’s nuclear arsenal. Trump had no choice but to leave Hanoi empty-handed.

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Trump's new Michael Cohen assault: Get his scrapped book

But Cohen's potential publisher said it 'never saw a manuscript from Mr. Cohen.'


President Donald Trump on Friday launched a new line of attack on his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, demanding that Congress obtain a manuscript of Cohen’s scrapped book about his relationship with Trump. ...

Trump continued in a second tweet: "Congress must demand the transcript of Michael Cohen’s new book, given to publishers a short time ago. Your heads will spin when you see the lies, misrepresentations and contradictions against his Thursday testimony. Like a different person! He is totally discredited!"

The Daily Beast reported last May that legal troubles scuttled plans for Cohen’s book, which was tentatively titled "Trump Revolution: From The Tower to The White House, Understanding Donald J. Trump." ...

It's unclear how detailed the proposal is and whether there is a longer manuscript that includes more details.

"We never saw a manuscript from Mr. Cohen," said Rolf Zettersten, the publisher of Center Street, the imprint that considered putting out Cohen's book, in an email.

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You mean Trump lied about there being a manuscript sent to publishers? Say it ain't so.

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Russia, if you’re listening, please publish Cohen's manuscript. :blink:
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The Hill
Cohen lawyer slams Trump over 'perjury' tweetstorm: ‘POTUS has yet lied again’

Lanny Davis, an attorney for Michael Cohen, blasted President Trump Friday over a series of tweets suggesting Cohen committed perjury in front of Congress regarding a possible book deal.

"Sometime in early 2018, Mr. Cohen was offered a substantial advance for a proposal regarding a book on understanding Donald Trump. Mr. Cohen ultimately elected not to proceed. In other words, POTUS has yet lied again...but what's the difference between 9000 or 9001 lies?" Davis said in a statement.

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SDNY will be ‘waiting with cuffs’ when Trump leaves the Oval Office

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Speaking with host Joy Reid, Mystal launched into a soliloquy about what the future holds for the embattled president.

“I hope it is not lost on people is that the Trump Organization, which appears to be a massive criminal front, is so small potatoes that if Trump hadn’t run for president, SDNY wouldn’t care,” he began.

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Someone asked who the other guy was sitting behind him. It is another one of his lawyers Michael Monico


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I'm at work. Any updates on today's testimony?

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Cohen’s 4th day of testimony could touch on Russia, finances

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s former lawyer is returning to Capitol Hill for a fourth day of testimony as Democrats pursue a flurry of investigations into Trump’s White House, businesses and presidential campaign.

Michael Cohen became a key figure in those investigations after turning on his former boss and cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe. He was interviewed behind closed doors by both the Senate and House intelligence committees last week and is due for another private, daylong meeting with the House intelligence panel on Wednesday.

Cohen also testified publicly before the House Oversight and Reform Committee, where he called Trump a con man, a cheat and a racist. He pleaded guilty last year to lying to Congress, campaign finance violations and other charges and is set to begin a three-year prison sentence in May.

Among the issues discussed in Cohen’s closed-door interviews with both the House and the Senate was the issue of pardons, according to people familiar with those interviews. They requested anonymity to speak about the confidential discussion.

The issue is expected to come up again during Cohen’s return visit. Though Cohen told Congress last week that he had never asked for nor would accept a pardon from Trump, a lawyer for Cohen expressed interest to the Trump legal team in a possible pardon for his client in the aftermath of a raid last April on Cohen’s hotel room, home and office, according to people familiar with the encounter who weren’t authorized to discuss it by name and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

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President Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen reportedly gave the House Intelligence Committee documents showing edits to the false statement about the construction of a Trump Tower Moscow that he delivered to Congress in 2017.

Cohen said last Wednesday during his public testimony before a separate House panel that Trump's attorney Jay Sekulow edited his 2017 statement to the House and Senate intelligence committees in which he lied about the timing of a Trump Tower project in the Russian capital
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What is likely to happen to Sekulow? Just wondering... :-

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can't link but saw a video on twitter of Cohen arriving today, with three people dragging carry-on bag size cases (assumably) full of documents.
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CNN is reporting he has something backing up that his testimony on Trump Tower was edited by Trump's lawyers.

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When Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress, should this have been an issue? If he didn't mention it then, is there a ramifications for him?

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Chilidog wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:46 pm
When Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress, should this have been an issue? If he didn't mention it then, is there a ramifications for him?
I suspect that this is why it said he lied about Trump Tower "at the direction of Individual-1."
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