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Thoughts and prayers for Gaetz in this trying time.
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:34 pm
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I’ve personally apologized to @MichaelCohen212 4 referencing his private family in the public square. Regardless of disagreements, family members should be off-limits from attacks from representatives, senators & presidents, including myself. Let’s leave the Cohen family alone.

6:18 PM - 27 Feb 2019
You can feel the panic setting in.
Meh. He may have deleted the original tweet, but the message it sent wasn’t rescinded.

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Post by fierceredpanda » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:58 pm

Imagine Gaetz's disappointment that none of his knowledge about Cohen's girlfriends and how bad his wife wants to step out managed to make it into the hearing today.
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Fox's Napolitano: Cohen testimony included 'at least four potential felonies' against Trump

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano said Wednesday that President Trump faces "at least four potential felonies" if Michael Cohen's testimony before Congress is found to be truthful.

“If Cohen is being truthful and if the government can corroborate what he said today, there’s at least four potential felonies of which he has accused the President of the United States,” Napolitano said of Trump's former lawyer on Fox News. “Those are big ifs.”

Napolitano said that Cohen painted a "potentially grave picture" during his hours-long testimony before the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Wednesday.

Cohen, who was sentenced to prison last year after pleading guilty to financial crimes and campaign finance violations, accused Trump of playing a role in multiple crimes. <SNIP>
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Post by Suranis » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:54 pm

Beavis has been tweeting every single thing that looks in anyway bad to Cohen. Unfortunately he is so FUCKING DUMB that he cant tell when people are saying Cohen is telling the truth.

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No one on Trump’s team would retweet this unless they were INCREDIBLY STUPI—oh.

And yes, I double checked. Beavis DID retweet this.
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Post by Chilidog » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:07 pm

According to Cohen, even Trump thinks Beavis is a moron.

Which presents a bit of a conundrum.

I am forced to admit that Trump is actually right about something

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Chilidog wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:07 pm
According to Cohen, even Trump thinks Beavis is a moron.

Which presents a bit of a conundrum.

I am forced to admit that Trump is actually right about something
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The Atlantic: The Most Important—And Neglected—Moment of the Michael Cohen Hearing

It wasn’t what the president’s former attorney said. It was how Elijah Cummings responded.
Baltimore Sun: Maryland Congressman Cummings redeems Cohen hearing with passionate, poetic closing remarks
Yahoo News: Cohen brought to tears by Rep. Cummings at end of House hearing
Adding:


New York Times OpEd: How Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Won the Cohen Hearing

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Chilidog wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:07 pm
According to Cohen, even Trump thinks Beavis is a moron.

Which presents a bit of a conundrum.

I am forced to admit that Trump is actually right about something
My sympathy, Chili.
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The Atlantic - Ken White: Republicans Committed the Classic Cross-Examination Blunder

Trump’s supporters in Congress did not successfully destroy Michael Cohen’s credibility.
New York Times OpEd: Republicans Sink Further Into Trump’s Cesspool

What they left out of their questioning of Michael Cohen says more about the degradation of my former party than anything they said.
Rolling Stone: How Republicans Tried to Sabotage the Michael Cohen Testimony

Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan and others were more concerned with protecting President Trump than finding the truth
The Atlantic: An Interlude of Moral Clarity

Michael Cohen’s testimony was a reminder that this presidency isn’t normal.
CNN: Michael Cohen's shocking picture of Trump's mob-like world
Independent: The Michael Cohen hearing was the perfect metaphor for the maggot-eaten rotting corpse of the Republican party under Trump

It’s hard to feel sympathy for a man who harassed journalists and paid off porn stars, but it’s possible that these GOP Congressional members achieved it. Bravo
The Atlantic: The Day Trump Lost Control of the Conversation

Michael Cohen showed he learned some tricks from his former mentor.
CNBC: Porn star Stormy Daniels tells Michael Cohen ‘I’m proud of you’ as Trump’s ex-lawyer and fixer testifies to Congress about hush money he paid her

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Post by fierceredpanda » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:07 am


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1h1 hour ago

President Trump called @mattgaetz last night from Hanoi to talk the Cohen testimony and the threats (since rescinded) Gaetz made about Cohen.
"I was happy to do it for you. You just keep killing it," Gaetz was heard telling him.
(Gaetz told me he doesn't discuss calls w/POTUS)
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Replying to @IsaacDovere @mattgaetz

.@TheFlaBar, this is relevant to your investigation of @mattgaetz: (1) he threatened a committee witness; (2) he's not a committee member; (3) his allegations were not raised in the hearing, suggesting he had no basis; and now (4) he reportedly admitted to doing it for Trump.
7:06 AM - 28 Feb 2019
I retract my statement yesterday that Gaetz was being politically smart. This is categorically, galactically stupid, and he would be well advised to (at minimum) hire himself a good ethics defense attorney in Florida if he wants to keep his license.
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I want to see his sixth grade civics grades.
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I’ve personally apologized to @MichaelCohen212 4 referencing his private family in the public square. Regardless of disagreements, family members should be off-limits from attacks from representatives, senators & presidents, including myself. Let’s leave the Cohen family alone.
I like how he's now telling other people how to behave.

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Well hell, you can't prosecute a guy who says that, can you? :smoking:
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Post by Gregg » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:22 pm

Chilidog wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:07 pm
According to Cohen, even Trump thinks Beavis is a moron.

Which presents a bit of a conundrum.

I am forced to admit that Trump is actually right about something

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Newsweek: GOP Tried to Destroy Michael Cohen Out of 'Fear' His Anti-Trump Testimony Is True, Ex-Bush Official Says
Law & Crime: A Day After Republicans Write Off Cohen for Lying to Congress, They Welcome Oliver North to CPAC
Vanity Fair: “Oh My God”: The Inside Story Behind Cohen’s Deposition, the Stormy Checks, and His Final Months of Freedom

Cathartic musings on a legal pad, a trip to the basement, and a eureka moment all led Cohen, Trump’s disgraced former lawyer, to a moment of public triumph.
Business Insider: Everything you need to know about Matthew Calamari, Trump's employee of nearly 40 years who went viral after being implicated in Michael Cohen's blockbuster testimony

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Fact-checking the Michael Cohen hearing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ost&wpmm=1
A colleague said The Fact Checker faced an existential question about the Michael Cohen testimony: What if a convicted liar says he’s telling the truth about a person he says is a liar?

Actually, a person’s impression of the Cohen testimony mainly falls in the realm of political commentary, which is not our purview. But here’s a roundup of statements made at the hearing that were wrong or subject to dispute.
Short version - Cohen was more honest that his GOP inquisitors.
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House Intelligence Chair Rep. Adam Schiff says that Michael Cohen "was fully cooperative, and answered all of our questions" in closed door hearing.

"None of the questions we had for him went unanswered." http://abcn.ws/2Tliui3
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Politico
Lawmakers to grill Cohen again next week after ‘productive’ closed-door session

“None of the questions we had for him went unanswered," Schiff says.


President Donald Trump’s former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen was “fully cooperative” with the House Intelligence Committee in his closed-door testimony on Thursday, the panel’s chairman said, and Cohen will return for a second round of questioning next week.

“This has obviously been an excruciating time for him, and we are very grateful that he was as forthcoming as he was,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told reporters after Cohen’s eight-hour testimony. “None of the questions we had for him went unanswered.”

Cohen briefly addressed reporters after three straight days of testimony on Capitol Hill, announcing that he will return to the Intelligence committee on March 6 for another closed-door session.

“It was very productive and like I said, I’m committed to telling the truth,” Cohen said, capping off a marathon week of interviews with the Senate Intelligence Committee, the House Oversight Committee, and the House Intelligence panel.

The chairman declined to discuss specifics of Cohen’s testimony, but said his panel’s investigators were able to “go into great detail” about some aspects of Cohen’s bombshell public appearance before the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday, in addition to topics that were not addressed in the open oversight hearing.
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The Hill: Michael Cohen to go before House Intel again next week

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WaPo - Michael Gerson
The GOP performance at the Cohen hearing was a study in moral corruption ...

The House of Representatives has always been the shallower end of the legislative pool. But the performance of Republicans at the Cohen hearing was in a class of its own. Their game plan seemed to consist of shouting, vilification and shouted vilification. Most of them apparently got their degrees from the Roy Cohn School of Law.

But chihuahuas are not intimidating, even when they travel in packs. What passed for a cutting Republican taunt? “Liar. Liar. Pants on Fire!” Honestly, has the ban on child labor been lifted for House staffers?

At some point, kissing up involves moral corruption. And Republicans passed that milestone some time ago. Many in Trump’s army of enablers have lost the ability to distinguish political realism from moral surrender. Now they are left to impugn the reputations of the president’s accusers, as though the whole Republican Party had signed on as part of Trump’s legal team. How did Republicans do? Cohen started the hearing with an absolutely awful reputation and still came across looking more trustworthy than his accusers.

Yet the alternatives to this strategy for Republicans are not obvious. Normally, defending a sitting president would involve witnessing to his character. Something along the lines of: “Trump has too much integrity to direct Roger Stone to deal with WikiLeaks.” Or: “That isn’t possible. Trump is too good a man to pay hush money to a porn star.” Or: “It is inconceivable that Trump would have had foreknowledge of a meeting at Trump Tower with shady Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. His conscience wouldn’t allow him to go so low.”

Any of these lines spoken aloud at the Cohen hearing would have gotten peals of laughter. Of course Trump is capable of all these disreputable things. The real question is: Was he foolish enough to do them and get caught? So Republicans are staking the future and reputation of their party on the intelligence, or at least cunning, of Donald Trump.

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Watching them yesterday was downright embarrassing for anyone with even a touch of a moral compass. One of the Democratic Congressmen who was at the closed-door meeting today said (I think on Chris Hayes show) that most of the republicans on the committee today didn't attend or barely attended. They are all a bunch of morons interested only in their base, serving (or servicing?) twitler, and getting re-elected. That's no way to run a country, but it's a good way to run it into the ground.

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Post by Suranis » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:22 pm

Gym Jordan goes to the mat (heh heh) for Trump

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1 ... 2133299200
Rep. Jim Jordan
‏Verified account @Jim_Jordan

In yesterday’s hearing, Michael Cohen made at least six false statements.

@RepMarkMeadows and I have referred Mr. Cohen to the Justice Department for perjury.

Looks like he lied to Congress. Again.

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov ... ferral.pdf
12:37 PM - 28 Feb 2019
The link is to Jim Jordans letter detailing his accusations.

There was a detailed debunking by an alt account

https://twitter.com/AltUSPressSec/statu ... 0912690176
Fine, let’s debunk this. 🙄

1. You claim Cohen lies about defrauding a bank. Fraud has a specific legal meaning. What Cohen pleaded guilty to was making false statements to a financial institution.

That’s not the fraud statute, so no, not perjury, just a bad faith claim.

2. You say Mr. Cohen lied about not wanting a job at the White House.

Cohen has a letter from a law firm containing contempernous documentation that he should not seek a position at the White House to preserve attorney-client privilege with Mr. Trump (Individual 1.)

3. You asked whether Mr. Cohen created the Women for Cohen account.

He replied that it was created as a joke on his behalf by a woman at a consultancy, Red Finch.

That’s not contested. No perjury.

4. The form to which you refer asks about contracts with “foreign government entities.”

That is also a precise legally defined phrase. An airline owned partly by South Korea and a bank owned partly by Kazakstan don’t meet the definition.

It encompasses entities like the GRU.

5. Alleged conflicts between written and spoken testimony are specious, de minimus, explanatory based on your own questioning, or outright fabricated.

No perjury.

6. You compare Mr. Cohen’s statements of his state of mind with SDNY’s perception of his state of mind.

Claim that conflict over whether Mr. Cohen’s crimes were committed purely out of loyalty to Individual 1 or with additional element of greed do not meet elements of perjury.

Finally, no referral from the Minority is required to be investigated, especially one that appears to have been drafted by a 1L at The University of Better Call Saul.

Stick to covering up sex crimes at universities. That’s where your real talent lies, Gym.

Defense rests.

Honestly, this poorly drafted excuse for an unenforceable legal document is not quite as embarrassing as your bowl cut, but it is quite close. 🙄
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