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“A lot of TSA agents are calling out sick," @David_Kerley reports. "There is a fear that if they aren’t paid, many of them may quit...That means a shortage of officers at the security checkpoints. That will mean lines.” https://abcn.ws/2D1EMwA
Anyone here been to an airport recently?


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Appearing on CNN on Thursday afternoon, a TSA agent who works out of Chicago’s O’Hare airport said she may be homeless soon after receiving an eviction notice because she is working without pay and can’t pay her rent.

Speaking with host Brianna Keilar, agent Christine Vitel said that she received an eviction notice on property she owns despite explaining her situation and providing documentation from the government about her working but unpaid status.



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. Trump got his shutdown wish. Why doesn't he look more proud? Maybe because of this?

[H]ere’s a couple of very quick and simple facts from the polling. The newest poll shows a+4 increase of people who hold Trump responsible as opposed to a similar poll taken only a couple of days after the shutdown started. Simply put, the longer the shutdown goes on, the more the blame pendulum swings in Trump’s direction. It also shows that Trump is now nearly 20 points underwater on the “blame game” on the shutdown, leaving the Democrats a distant second in a race that they don’t want to win. And third, 32% is far below the alleged “floor” of Trump’s base, meaning approximately 8% of his own supporters either credit him with, or blame him for the shutdown.

This polling spells deep trouble for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, on two fronts. First, this polling is a clearly marked, 4 lane wide off ramp for vulnerable 2020 GOP Senators to split with Trump, and put increasing pressure on McConnell to bring those bipartisan bills Pelosi’s House already passed to the floor for a vote. This puts McConnell in the uncomfortable position of having to determine how many GOP Senate defections represent the tipping point between giving in to his caucus’ wishes, and facing an open revolt to his leadership. And any submission by McConnell to his caucus to pass the Democratic CR’s puts him squarely in Trump’s sites as a traitor to the cause.

The funny thing is that it doesn’t have to be a particularly large number of GOP defectors to put pressure on McConnell to fold. Senator Susan Collins has already stated publicly that she wants the government to be reopened. Collins is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Jeff Flake already proved that in a committee with a one vote difference, withholding that one vote ground the committee to t halt on forwarding judicial nominees to the floor for confirmation. And more importantly, sometime soon Trump’s nominee for Attorney General, Bill Barr, is going to have his confirmation hearing in front of the committee. Collins has all the leverage in the world over McConnell to bring those CR votes to the floor.

But the bigger problem for McConnell, and by extension Trump, is that if he folds on the issue of reopening the government, he sets a precedent. I’m fond of reciting an old Catholic rhyme, “In order to keep your faith intact, make sure it remains unsullied by fact.” Devotion requires an acceptance of things you personally cannot control or change. If McConnell lets his caucus force him into bringing the Democratic CR’s to the floor, the first stone has just popped out of the McConnell/Trump dam.


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AndyinPA wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:15 pm
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/tsa-ag ... ifications
Appearing on CNN on Thursday afternoon, a TSA agent who works out of Chicago’s O’Hare airport said she may be homeless soon after receiving an eviction notice because she is working without pay and can’t pay her rent.

Speaking with host Brianna Keilar, agent Christine Vitel said that she received an eviction notice on property she owns despite explaining her situation and providing documentation from the government about her working but unpaid status.
Typo? Did they mean "property she RENTS?"


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Post by AndyinPA » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:00 pm

Yeah, I noticed that, too. I'm assuming typo.



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Post by AndyinPA » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:20 pm

I'm not sure at what's going on here, but it makes you wonder. Way too little to quote, but basically Mitch McConnell had a secret meeting with Rupert Murdoch this week.

http://www.gtpronews.com/2018/11/an-emp ... ll-is.html

I'm just assuming this is the best thread to drop this in.



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Post by Volkonski » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:24 pm

neonzx wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:55 pm
AndyinPA wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:15 pm
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/tsa-ag ... ifications
Appearing on CNN on Thursday afternoon, a TSA agent who works out of Chicago’s O’Hare airport said she may be homeless soon after receiving an eviction notice because she is working without pay and can’t pay her rent.

Speaking with host Brianna Keilar, agent Christine Vitel said that she received an eviction notice on property she owns despite explaining her situation and providing documentation from the government about her working but unpaid status.
Typo? Did they mean "property she RENTS?"
She owns the building but rents the land. Very common situation in trailer parks.


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Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:24 pm
She owns the building but rents the land. Very common situation in trailer parks.
Well, if she can't pay rent, she probably can't pay to move it. WTH are they going to do then, pay to move it for her?



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“It’s like a ghost city—totally dead": Nowhere is the government shutdown felt more than in Washington, where 145,000 public servants are furloughed, contractors are idled, lobbyists have fewer people to lobby and diners are empty. ⁦@stavernise⁩
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Jim wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:40 pm
Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:24 pm
She owns the building but rents the land. Very common situation in trailer parks.
Well, if she can't pay rent, she probably can't pay to move it. WTH are they going to do then, pay to move it for her?
They usually just bar them from coming on the property.



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Jim wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:40 pm
Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:24 pm
She owns the building but rents the land. Very common situation in trailer parks.
Well, if she can't pay rent, she probably can't pay to move it. WTH are they going to do then, pay to move it for her?
The park will file a lien against the home. If she can't pay the back rent quickly then the park will get her home.


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Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:49 pm
The park will file a lien against the home. If she can't pay the back rent quickly then the park will get her home.
That's what Trump would do.


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ZekeB wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:09 pm
Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:49 pm
The park will file a lien against the home. If she can't pay the back rent quickly then the park will get her home.
That's what Trump would do.
That's pretty much the standard trailer court business model, or least it was here 20 years ago.

Someone falls say, $500, behind in their rent. The landlord sues and gets a judgment for possession of the pad and $500 plus costs and maybe attorney's fees. Tenant can't afford to move the trailer, so they are screwed. Sheriff throws them out, the landlord files an execution against the trailer, deals with any lienholder, and gets a trailer they can turn around and sell for a lot more than they would have made in rent from a good tenant.

Just another little way to screw poor people out of everything they've worked for. Maybe some states have rules to protect the tenant's equity in the trailer, but I doubt it. :twisted: :evil:


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The Majority Leader just cleared a bill by UC that would provide back pay to federal employees once Democrats reach an agreement with the President to end the partial shutdown.


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AndyinPA wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:15 pm
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/tsa-ag ... ifications
Appearing on CNN on Thursday afternoon, a TSA agent who works out of Chicago’s O’Hare airport said she may be homeless soon after receiving an eviction notice because she is working without pay and can’t pay her rent.

Speaking with host Brianna Keilar, agent Christine Vitel said that she received an eviction notice on property she owns despite explaining her situation and providing documentation from the government about her working but unpaid status.
That's a bit hard to believe, as the first missed paycheck hasn't occurred yet. The eviction (on property she owns? **) almost surely stems from something that occurred weeks or months ago.

** An eviction for a judgment on unpaid water or sewer bills? A judgment of foreclosure or nonjudicial foreclosure? Any of these usually provide a mandatory grace period for the homeowner to vacate before eviction procedures can occur. (It depends on state law.)


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SLQ wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:53 pm
AndyinPA wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:15 pm
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/tsa-ag ... ifications
Appearing on CNN on Thursday afternoon, a TSA agent who works out of Chicago’s O’Hare airport said she may be homeless soon after receiving an eviction notice because she is working without pay and can’t pay her rent.

Speaking with host Brianna Keilar, agent Christine Vitel said that she received an eviction notice on property she owns despite explaining her situation and providing documentation from the government about her working but unpaid status.
That's a bit hard to believe, as the first missed paycheck hasn't occurred yet. The eviction (on property she owns? **) almost surely stems from something that occurred weeks or months ago.

** An eviction for a judgment on unpaid water or sewer bills? A judgment of foreclosure or nonjudicial foreclosure? Any of these usually provide a mandatory grace period for the homeowner to vacate before eviction procedures can occur. (It depends on state law.)
She doesn't own the property, just the house/trailer that sits on the property. An eviction notice can go out the day after a rent payment is missed. That doesn't mean the sheriff shows up to enforce it though. It just means the landlord can start the court proceedings. One of our tenants is 2 days late (he pays on the 7th) EVERY MONTH and we could legally stick an eviction notice on his door every month on the 5th if we wanted to. Rent due on the 1st, late after the 5th, and he signed the lease telling him that. We can't go change the locks or take his shit on the 6th, but we could go to court and get the process started. Meanwhile, if we were assholes, he would have an eviction notice on his door. I suspect it's the same situation with her, especially if she's in a trailer park. From the day you are late until they actually put your shit on the curb here can be 6 months or more.



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In Illinois-
A park owner may evict a tenant for:

Not paying rent after the owner gave a 5-day notice to pay rent within 5 days;
What the TSA woman in the article received was most likely not an court's eviction notice but a notice to pay rent. The landlord probably issued this because the woman warned the landlord that she would not be paid.
The park owner must allow the number of days in the eviction notice to expire before filing a court case. If the tenant does not appear at the court hearing, the judge may rule in favor of the park owner.

The tenant has the right to present a defense as the court hearing. For example, if the eviction is for failure to pay rent, the tenant may have a defense that the rent was improperly increased. If the tenant loses at the hearing, the court will order the tenant to move by a specific date. If the tenant owns the mobile home, the court will also order that either the tenant moves the mobile home or sells it by a specific date. If the tenant does not move by this date, the court can order the sheriff to remove the tenant.


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I've been speaking with correctional officers, who fear losing their jobs at the end of the government shutdown. If they get behind on their bills and hurt their credit, that shows up in their routine background checks.


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“We Just Want to Get Back to Work”—Thousands of Federal Employees March on the White House

On Thursday afternoon, approximately 2,000 federal workers and contractors from across the country braved icy winds and freezing temperatures to gather outside of the DC headquarters of the AFL-CIO to protest the ongoing effects of the government shutdown on their lives and work.

“This lockout is yet another manufactured crisis looking to score political points,” AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka told the crowd. “Workers are fed up. We are tired of being the ones who are always being hurt. And we are not going to take it.”

After speakers finished, the protestors marched to the White House, chanting “shut the shutdown” and “furlough Trump.” Smaller rallies were also held across the country in cities including Louisville, Chicago, and Atlanta.


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The Hill: Federal workers sue Trump administration over shutdown, allege work without pay violates 13th Amendment:
Five federal government employees are suing President Trump and members of his administration, alleging that they've been unlawfully required to work without pay and barred from seeking alternative jobs during the ongoing partial government shutdown.

The lawsuit, which was filed Wednesday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, argues that requiring workers to report for duty without pay during the shutdown violates the 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery and involuntary servitude.

The lawsuit also claims that the government violated the plaintiffs' Fifth Amendment rights by limiting their ability to seek alternative employment during the shutdown, which began Dec. 22.

The plaintiffs are not identified, but two work for the Department of Justice, and the other three work for the Departments of Transportation, Agriculture and Homeland Security. Four of the individuals have been required to work without pay during the shutdown, while one has been deemed nonessential, according to the lawsuit.

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Two federal employees' unions have already sued the Trump administration over the partial government shutdown, which has dragged on for 20 days and counting.

The National Treasury Employees Union, which represents 150,000 members at 33 federal agencies, filed a lawsuit on Tuesday alleging that hundreds of thousands of workers are being illegally forced to work without pay.

The American Federation of Government Employees union announced a similar lawsuit last week.
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Note that many of the most affected states are in the west. :o
Is that per 100,000 federal workers or per 100,000 all workers? If it's only per federal workers, doesn't it simply show that the emptier states have few administrative facilities (big offices) and the largest number of outdoors staff because they have the national parks, farms, prisons, etc. Not really surprising then ... but still interesting.

If it's per all workers then it shows the dependence of those states on federal funding, despite their claims of self-reliance, and that the collateral effect on the economic activity in those states will be very bad.



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Sam the Centipede wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:20 am
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Note that many of the most affected states are in the west. :o
Is that per 100,000 federal workers or per 100,000 all workers? If it's only per federal workers, doesn't it simply show that the emptier states have few administrative facilities (big offices) and the largest number of outdoors staff because they have the national parks, farms, prisons, etc. Not really surprising then ... but still interesting.

If it's per all workers then it shows the dependence of those states on federal funding, despite their claims of self-reliance, and that the collateral effect on the economic activity in those states will be very bad.
I haven't done the math, but assuming all furloughed workers apply for unemployment, I wonder what that looks like on the jobs report?


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Danraft wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:31 am
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:20 am
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:33 pm


Note that many of the most affected states are in the west. :o
If it's per all workers then it shows the dependence of those states on federal funding, despite their claims of self-reliance, and that the collateral effect on the economic activity in those states will be very bad.
I haven't done the math, but assuming all furloughed workers apply for unemployment, I wonder what that looks like on the jobs report?
It has to be for all workers. Those western states are relatively sparse in population compared to others. I think it's too soon to see the impact reflected in the jobs / unemployment reports as of yet.

Also, too, this graphic doesn't attempt to portray the 'trickle-down' economic impact of the #TrumpShutdown on businesses and workers not directly employed or contracted by the Federal government.

(*note to self: JimBot, don't rent housing to any Federal employees/contractors until Trump is gone)


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