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Shutdown’s economic damage: $1 billion a week

The mounting toll is adding new risks to the Trump administration’s economic hopes for 2019. ...


And a hit to the nation’s financial standing is on the horizon with a warning from Fitch Ratings on Wednesday about downgrading the government’s credit rating if the shutdown persists.

Estimates from President Donald Trump’s chief economist peg the cost to the overall U.S. economy at about $1.2 billion for each week the shutdown persists. While that’s just 0.05 percentage points off the GDP growth rate, it could be among the factors complicating the administration’s aspiration of reaching sustained 3 percent growth.

The shutdown – now in its 19th day — could also cost the U.S. government more than a billion dollars in lost productivity for 350,000 workers who are forced to stay home.

The government will likely give back pay to furloughed workers in addition to those forced to perform their duties without pay during the partial shutdown. The Obama administration estimated that the payroll cost alone for the 16-day government shutdown in October 2013 cost $2.5 billion, not counting lost revenue from government entities like national parks that were unable to collect fees.



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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:45 pm

Surely, twitler won't be satisfied with anything less than the longest shutdown ever. I think that would mean by early next week. :brickwallsmall:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... 38e67d6de1
Longest funding gaps under current shutdown rules

Dec. 1995
21 full days
Current gap
18 full days
Oct. 2013
16
Nov. 1995
5
Jan. 2018
3
Nov. 1983
3
Dec. 1982
3
Oct. 1990
3

Note: There were substantial federal funding gaps in the late 1970s, including a 17-day long gap beginning Sept. 30, 1978, but gaps were taken less seriously before legal opinions by then-Attorney General Benjamin Civiletti said most government work had to cease until funded by Congress.



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House Republicans mostly hold the line. Only EIGHT Rs join Dems to vote YES to reopen parts of the government. Defections held under double digits.
Well waddya know, my sweet, soulless rep, Elise Stefanik, was one of the eight. Nice to see that the non-stop drumbeat of righteous constituent anger directed at her inaction and deceit via twitter and fb is paying off.


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Mikedunford wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:54 pm
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Right, because they're just sitting around watching The View anyway, right?
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Post by Flatpointhigh » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:03 pm

SLQ wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:15 pm
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New York Times

The Art Of The Deal - applied to governing :lol:
:yeah: It's just theater.

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It isn't "theater"



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OHS is offering free pet food to federal employees and contractors affected by the government shutdown. Food will be available on Thursday, Jan. 10 from 12 to 1:30 p.m. at 8001 NE 14th Ave, just north of the OHS shelter.
One bag of dog food and one bag of cat food plus cat litter will be available to pet owners on a first come, first served basis. OHS is working with Mud Bay and other vendors to ensure we have enough food and litter to help
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Kendra wrote:
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OHS is offering free pet food to federal employees and contractors affected by the government shutdown. Food will be available on Thursday, Jan. 10 from 12 to 1:30 p.m. at 8001 NE 14th Ave, just north of the OHS shelter.
One bag of dog food and one bag of cat food plus cat litter will be available to pet owners on a first come, first served basis. OHS is working with Mud Bay and other vendors to ensure we have enough food and litter to help
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{redact name} As a furrrloughed worker with a kitty I got at OHS, I very much appreciate this. So does Ruth Bader Ginspurr.


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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:25 pm

A friend who's furloughed said he was thinking of getting a dog. He wants to use the time off to bond and train. He's going to name it Furlow. I hope he does it. :lovestruck:


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Post by Gregg » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:51 am

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Surprised they didn't suggest having your children do slave labor or sell one of your kids as a tip.


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Post by Gregg » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:52 am

Dan1100 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:51 pm
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Surprised they didn't suggest having your children do slave labor or sell one of your kids as a tip.
I'm waiting for, "Men in bus stations will pay for oral sex from both men and women. Other places to look to provide oral sex for money or otherwise sell your body include highway rest areas outside major cities, airport long term parking areas and any place where "18 wheeler" trucks congregate. . . . "
Don't forget airport restrooms frequented by homophobic right wing politicians.


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Post by Lani » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:00 am

Lani wrote:
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Has anyone heard whether the TSA employees will be paid? This will sound selfish but we are scheduled to fly to Hawaii on Friday to visit our Navy son. I expect our trip to turn into a clusterfuck.
I'm flying into Honolulu on Wednesday morning and departing during the afternoon. I'll let you know how it goes. Unfortunately, we're in the height of the winter tourist season, so the airports will be jammed anyway. The TSA problem is definitely going to create more than usual crush.
Well, the line did go out the door and at least half way down the outside of the commuter terminal. However, that was between 10am and 2pm. Long lines are common during those hours on Monday and Friday during the offseasons and almost everyday December to March.

Apparently, the shutdown hasn't caused unusual delays yet. "Shutdown strain could lead to longer airport lines"
https://www.kitv.com/story/39762087/shu ... port-lines


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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:19 am

Democrats keep voting to reopen the government, and Donald and Republicans keep it closed. On Friday when workers don't get paid, and when this goes to a full month, there will be hell to pay. Every day is already a disaster (like the IRS, which has to change it's systems for the GOP tax scam from last year. Those poor billionaires may have to wait for their refunds!) :(

It's ridiculous and cruel to deprive hardworking and overworked government employees of their paychecks when they have nothing to do with it. Time is not on Donald's side here.


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Post by Adrianinflorida » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:04 am

Gregg wrote:
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Don't forget airport restrooms frequented by homophobic right wing politicians.
Ah, back before the days of man spreading, the much simpler times of having a Wide Stance.



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Post by Addie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:19 am

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Before 1980 the federal government did not shut down ...

Instead of senators huddled around a cocktail napkin, America was treated to Mr Trump and Democratic congressional leaders making their cases on prime-time TV. Mr Trump called the border “a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs”, though most come through ports of entry and a wall would not stop them. The number of migrants apprehended at the border rose late last year, but from record lows. Overall numbers are far below where they were a decade ago. If there is a crisis, it is in America’s creepingly slow-moving asylum system. Yet that is a far less compelling argument than Mr Trump’s assertion that foreigners are sneaking across the border to behead American citizens, and that the only way to stop them is to build a big wall. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader in the senate, reiterated his party’s offer: continue negotiating over border security and pass bills to reopen the other shuttered parts of the government.

Most Senate Republicans would happily accept this deal. Some who are up for re-election in two years, such as Cory Gardner of Colorado and Susan Collins of Maine, have begun pushing for a resolution without a wall. Even John Cornyn of Texas, the majority whip until recently, backed the sort of hybrid solution—physical barriers, along with technology, drones and more personnel—that Democrats could support. But far more Republican senators face re-election in solidly Republican states next year, and they fear a primary challenge from the right more than losing to a Democrat. Hence Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, vowed not to bring forward a bill that the president does not support, despite having called shutdowns “a failed policy” in 2014, when he also urged the then-Democratic Senate to set “national priorities [rather than] simply waiting on the White House to do it.”

For his part, Mr Trump feels he holds a winning hand. Immigration hawkishness helped propel him to victory in 2016 and remains crucial to satisfying his base. Though a recent Reuters poll showed that most Americans blame him for the shutdown (perhaps because he accepted blame in a televised interview), earlier polling data suggest that may fade by 2020. During the two previous extended shutdowns, approval ratings for the incumbent presidents both fell, but they rebounded relatively quickly. Yet that pattern may not hold if this shutdown lasts months.

Members of both parties fear that Mr Trump will reach not for Mr Schumer’s solution but a more drastic one: invoking emergency powers to circumvent Congress and build a wall using previously authorised military funds. That would set a precedent that terrifies conservative senators: what is to stop a future Democratic president from doing the same thing to deal with climate change or guns?

It would also precipitate a genuine constitutional crisis and a fierce court battle. Perversely, that could suit Mr Trump well. He may not get his wall, but he would get to keep fighting for it, and he would still have useful enemies—judges, Democrats—to blame for it having not been built yet.



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calling it what it is...
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tek wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:52 am
calling it what it is...
Because that's what he said it was,

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“It’s not going to change a damn thing, but I’m still doing it,” Mr. Trump said of the border visit, according to one of the people, who was in the room. The trip was merely a photo opportunity, he said. “But,” he added, gesturing at his communications aides Bill Shine, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Kellyanne Conway, “these people behind you say it’s worth it.”


To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

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Post by SuzieC » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:07 pm

Lani wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:00 am
Lani wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:02 am
SuzieC wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:39 pm
Has anyone heard whether the TSA employees will be paid? This will sound selfish but we are scheduled to fly to Hawaii on Friday to visit our Navy son. I expect our trip to turn into a clusterfuck.
I'm flying into Honolulu on Wednesday morning and departing during the afternoon. I'll let you know how it goes. Unfortunately, we're in the height of the winter tourist season, so the airports will be jammed anyway. The TSA problem is definitely going to create more than usual crush.
Well, the line did go out the door and at least half way down the outside of the commuter terminal. However, that was between 10am and 2pm. Long lines are common during those hours on Monday and Friday during the offseasons and almost everyday December to March.

Apparently, the shutdown hasn't caused unusual delays yet. "Shutdown strain could lead to longer airport lines"
https://www.kitv.com/story/39762087/shu ... port-lines
Thanks Lani. Since we're getting to the airport at 5 am I hope we don't have long lines.



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Representatives for FBI special agents petitioned the White House and Congress to end the government shutdown Thursday, calling it a matter of national security to ensure that nearly 13,000 agents do not miss their first paycheck Friday. http://ow.ly/QMw030ngyxB @BBuchman_CNS


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During the shutdown, with Joshua Tree National Park open but no staff on duty, visitors cut down Joshua trees so they could drive into sensitive areas where vehicles are banned.

"We had some pretty extensive four-wheel driving." https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2 ... egal-roads
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Joshua trees, which can live hundreds and even thousands of years, are already in trouble from climate change.

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During the shutdown, with Joshua Tree National Park open but no staff on duty, visitors cut down Joshua trees so they could drive into sensitive areas where vehicles are banned.

"We had some pretty extensive four-wheel driving." https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2 ... egal-roads
I fucking hate people

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The comments at the link actually has people justifying cutting the tree down as it looked "dead" and decrying this a "Fake News"



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Note that many of the most affected states are in the west. :o


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