2018-2019 Government Shutdown

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Post by Volkonski » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:54 pm

SHutdown will continue. Senate adjourned until Monday afternoon.

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Post by AndyinPA » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:58 pm

3:00 P. M.? That's a nice gig, if you can get it. :x



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Post by ZekeB » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:35 pm

Why be there when you're not doing anything? Sometimes I felt the same way when I was working mandatory Saturdays at a certain aviation place. I was already stretching my 7 hours of work into 8, but it didn't matter. At least the lights wouldn't be burning in my shop.


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Re: 2018-2019 Government Shutdown

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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:15 pm

Both Houses of Congress have approved back pay for furloughed workers.

I wonder if the President will sign it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... employees/


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Re: 2018-2019 Government Shutdown

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Post by Gregg » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:15 pm
Both Houses of Congress have approved back pay for furloughed workers.

I wonder if the President will sign it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... employees/

...and if he signs it on the right line. :rotflmao:


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Re: 2018-2019 Government Shutdown

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Post by Volkonski » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:16 am

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At the Richmond Hwy pop up, the line of federal employees picking up food this morning was more than 30 people deep and more were coming and going as I shopped.

This is not American greatness.
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Post by Volkonski » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:17 am

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History will not look kindly on this. And voters who had to hold their child's hand in a parking lot while they waited for food before a snowstorm? They will remember this.
I have lived with food insecurity. I remember every day.


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Re: 2018-2019 Government Shutdown

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Post by AndyinPA » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:41 am

Local stations are running a lot of stories on people and families affected by this. That won't matter to twitler or McConnell, but it will make a lot of the other US reps and senators nervous.



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Post by Kendra » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:05 pm

AndyinPA wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:41 am
Local stations are running a lot of stories on people and families affected by this. That won't matter to twitler or McConnell, but it will make a lot of the other US reps and senators nervous.
That was pointed out on AM Joy. Showed a clip of a Trump supporter now out of a pay check so Trump could get his wall and the wall might not be so important now...



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Re: 2018-2019 Government Shutdown

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Post by Volkonski » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:02 pm

I see that the White House is unable to pay its water bill during the shutdown. Sadly the DC water authority has said that they won't shut off the water supply to the WH. If they did it might shorten the shutdown. ;)


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Post by ZekeB » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:10 pm

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Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:02 pm
I see that the White House is unable to pay its water bill during the shutdown. Sadly the DC water authority has said that they won't shut off the water supply to the WH. If they did it might shorten the shutdown. ;)
They know that if Trump stayed off the toilet he’d be more FOS than ever.


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Americans blame Trump and GOP much more than Democrats for shutdown, poll says

By a wide margin, more Americans blame President Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress than congressional Democrats for the now record-breaking government shutdown, and most reject the president’s assertion that there is an illegal-immigration crisis on the southern border, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Support for building a wall on the border, which is the principal sticking point in the stalemate between the president and Democrats, has increased over the past year. Today, 42 percent say they support a wall, up from 34 percent last January. A slight majority of Americans (54 percent) oppose the idea, down from 63 percent a year ago.

The increase in support is sharpest among Republicans, whose backing for Trump’s long-standing campaign promise jumped 16 points in the past year, from 71 percent to 87 percent. Not only has GOP support increased, it has also hardened. Today, 70 percent of Republicans say they strongly support the wall, an increase of 12 points since January 2018.

Concerning the allocation of blame, 53 percent say Trump and the Republicans are mainly at fault, and 29 percent blame the Democrats in Congress. Thirteen percent say both sides bear equal responsibility for the shutdown. That is identical to the end of the 16-day shutdown in 2013, when 29 percent blamed then-President Barack Obama and 53 percent put the responsibility on congressional Republicans.

A predictable partisan divide shapes the blame game, with 85 percent of Democrats citing Trump and Republicans as the cause and 68 percent of Republicans pointing the finger at congressional Democrats. Independents fix the blame squarely on the president and his party rather than on the Democrats, by 53 percent to 23 percent. Women blame Trump and Republicans by a margin of 35 points, and men blame the president and the GOP by 13 points.



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Post by Bill_G » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:47 am

IRS restarts mortgage income verifications that were idled during government shutdown
Mortgage lenders breathed a sigh of relief after the Internal Revenue Service announced that it would resume its income verification program called Income Verification Express Service, or IVES, which was suspended when the partial government shutdown began more than three weeks ago.
Ya can't stop the wheels of commerce. Thank goodness the Dept of the Interior was funded so the Oil and Gas industry could get their permits unhindered by the shutdown.



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Post by Maybenaut » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:17 am

It’s snowing here in the DC metro area. We have about 6 inches on the ground so far and a little more expected. My husband told me that he was just notified by 0MB that he will be required to telefurlough. Or take unpaid leave.


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Post by Bill_G » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:26 am

The good news out of the shutdown: it demonstrates the government is the well spring of the economy.



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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:30 am

If they really wanted to end the "shutdown" they'd send everyone home who wasn't getting paid. It sort of defeats the purpose to call it a "shutdown" when everyone keeps working. Come to think of it, I bet the "shutdown" would cease to be a political tool if it meant everyone went home and sat on their asses until the politicians came to an agreement.



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Post by Reality Check » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:38 am

I was thinking that if this is still going in early February TSA could put the squeeze the Republicans and Trump by shutting down ATL the week of the Super Bowl. They could hit the airports of the two teams who win next week too. The hotels and airlines would be screaming about lost business. The amount of publicity would be enormous.


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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:30 am
If they really wanted to end the "shutdown" they'd send everyone home who wasn't getting paid. It sort of defeats the purpose to call it a "shutdown" when everyone keeps working. Come to think of it, I bet the "shutdown" would cease to be a political tool if it meant everyone went home and sat on their asses until the politicians came to an agreement.
Seriously. I mean, can you imagine if this happened in the private sector?

"Um, well the CEO and the Board of Directors can't decide on a final budget so we can't pay you, but,"
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Post by RVInit » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:32 am

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Bad, bad, bad idea.

If that passes, a Democrat wins in 2020, and the Democrats don't take back the Senate, we'll be stuck at current spending until 2022, or 2024, or - you get the point.
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Post by Sam the Centipede » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:33 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:17 am
It’s snowing here in the DC metro area. We have about 6 inches on the ground so far and a little more expected. My husband told me that he was just notified by 0MB that he will be required to telefurlough. Or take unpaid leave.
What's the difference between telefurloughing (a new verb for me!) and unpaid leave, other than the pay element?

Is there a regulation that furloughed employees can't take other employment? Or that they must be at home?

I've always been a simple paid employee in private enterprise or a lone contractor/consultant, so my leave (paid or unpaid) arrangements have always been straightforward.



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Post by Maybenaut » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:38 am

Sam the Centipede wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:33 am
Maybenaut wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:17 am
It’s snowing here in the DC metro area. We have about 6 inches on the ground so far and a little more expected. My husband told me that he was just notified by 0MB that he will be required to telefurlough. Or take unpaid leave.
What's the difference between telefurloughing (a new verb for me!) and unpaid leave, other than the pay element?

Is there a regulation that furloughed employees can't take other employment? Or that they must be at home?

I've always been a simple paid employee in private enterprise or a lone contractor/consultant, so my leave (paid or unpaid) arrangements have always been straightforward.
Sorry, Sam! He was joking.


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Trump understands that conservative media personalities like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh hold the keys to his base -- and so it's unlikely he's going to stray from them on the gov't shutdown / border issue. Democrats are effectively negotiating with the right-wing media.


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Post by tek » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:40 pm

Trump understands that conservative media personalities like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh hold the keys to his base -- and so it's unlikely he's going to stray from them on the gov't shutdown / border issue. Democrats are effectively in effect negotiating with the right-wing media.
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I think that's what she meant. The negotiation does not seem to be at all effective..


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