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One indirect cause of no-shows for House votes: Many have nowhere to live during lame duck.
Nearly 100 members are retiring, probably a couple dozen who slept in their offices. They lost those offices a few weeks ago. No bed, no DC, no vote.

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Volkonski wrote:
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One indirect cause of no-shows for House votes: Many have nowhere to live during lame duck.
Nearly 100 members are retiring, probably a couple dozen who slept in their offices. They lost those offices a few weeks ago. No bed, no DC, no vote.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll435.xml
How come, don't they get to keep their offices and staff thru to January?

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RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:45 am
Volkonski wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:37 am
Paul Kane @pkcapitol

One indirect cause of no-shows for House votes: Many have nowhere to live during lame duck.
Nearly 100 members are retiring, probably a couple dozen who slept in their offices. They lost those offices a few weeks ago. No bed, no DC, no vote.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2018/roll435.xml
How come, don't they get to keep their offices and staff thru to January?
No, the incoming representatives get their offices early. The outgoing ones have to use cubicals during the lame duck sessions.
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Volkonski wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:32 pm
RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:45 am
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How come, don't they get to keep their offices and staff thru to January?
No, the incoming representatives get their offices early. The outgoing ones have to use cubicals during the lame duck sessions.
Teh Donals is really ungreatful, at least he could have offered them cowboyz free meals and boarding at his outhousePost dwelling nearby, while they were coralling in the last votes for him :lol:

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Shelby suggests Trump may make a decision on whether to shut down the government by 5 pm.

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No decisions coming out of Senate GOP leaders meeting. Still up to Trump and Democrats to avoid shutdown they say
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White House suggests it could back down on $5 billion border wall demand

The White House suggested Tuesday that President Donald Trump could back down from his demand for $5 billion to fund his proposed border wall in a year-end spending bill.

Trump's push for the money has threatened a partial government shutdown when funding for seven agencies lapses after midnight Friday. Last week, the president said he would be "proud" to close parts of the government over border security.

"We have other ways that we can get to that $5 billion that we'll work with Congress," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told Fox News on Tuesday morning. She added that the Trump administration could support $1.6 billion in border security funding proposed by Senate Democrats, as long as it can "couple that with other funding resources" to get to $5 billion.

She added that "at the end of the day, we don't want to shut down the government. We want to shut down the border." Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi have cast the potential lapse in funding as the "Trump shutdown." When Pelosi goaded Trump into an Oval Office fracas last week, the characterization appeared to irritate the president.

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In Schumer/McConnell meeting about an hour or so ago, McConnell offered to pass the negotiated DHS spending bill, but with an extra $1 billion “slush fund” that Trump could use for whatever he wanted re: immigration. Dems won’t accept that. And so it goes

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Who is dumb enough to give Trump $1 Billion to use "as he pleases" and expect him to use it on something other than Trump?

The Republicans

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Jim wrote:
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Who is dumb enough to give Trump $1 Billion to use "as he pleases" and expect him to use it on something other than Trump?

The Republicans
How many campaign rallies and golf cart rentals will that buy him?
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.@Kasie: Are you convinced there won't be a government shutdown over Christmas?

Senate Majority Leader McConnell: "Yeah, I am."
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Saw rumors on twitter that trump has caved over the shutdown. He's now pushing the story he'll cobble enough funds together from other programs to pay for his wall. Personally, I like the Gofundme idea.
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Even Gallups can't believe it:
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bob wrote:
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Even Gallups can't believe it:
He's a bully. Bullies back down when challenged. ALWAYS.
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Volkonski wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:37 pm
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In Schumer/McConnell meeting about an hour or so ago, McConnell offered to pass the negotiated DHS spending bill, but with an extra $1 billion “slush fund” that Trump could use for whatever he wanted re: immigration. Dems won’t accept that. And so it goes

11:35 AM - 18 Dec 2018
Is that even legal? He could use the $$$ to build Mar-A-Lago into a fortress just cause migrants might want to storm it :?:

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Anything he wants restricted to immigration.
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Anything he wants restricted to immigration.
And Golf. That's important, too - because the Secret Service is one of the agencies that won't get paid during a shutdown, and even Trump knows that the optics of him golfing, surrounded by not-getting-paid agents, would probably be really bad, so he probably shouldn't go to Mar-E-Griftgo if there's a shutdown.
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NEWS: Shelby says they are drafting a CR to early Feb
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Mikedunford wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:59 pm
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Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:55 pm
Anything he wants restricted to immigration.
And Golf. That's important, too - because the Secret Service is one of the agencies that won't get paid during a shutdown, and even Trump knows that the optics of him golfing, surrounded by not-getting-paid agents, would probably be really bad, so he probably shouldn't go to Mar-E-Griftgo if there's a shutdown.
I am surprized to say the least. While not the whole of the Secret Service organization I would have thought that the Presidential Praetorian Guard would be among those emergency workers to keep getting their salaries.

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RTH10260 wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:20 am
Mikedunford wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:59 pm
Whatever4 wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:55 pm
Anything he wants restricted to immigration.
And Golf. That's important, too - because the Secret Service is one of the agencies that won't get paid during a shutdown, and even Trump knows that the optics of him golfing, surrounded by not-getting-paid agents, would probably be really bad, so he probably shouldn't go to Mar-E-Griftgo if there's a shutdown.
I am surprized to say the least. While not the whole of the Secret Service organization I would have thought that the Presidential Praetorian Guard would be among those emergency workers to keep getting their salaries.
No governmental employee actually gets their salaries during a governmental shutdown. The Secret Service would be required to work as essential governmental employees, however, they would not get paid until a funding bill is passed. At that point, they'd be getting back-pay for the hours that they work. And the people who process their payroll would not be considered essential government employees, and therefore there would be nobody to process the payroll until the government opens up anyways.

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WaPo - Greg Sargent
Worried about Trump’s fragile ego, Republicans negotiate the terms of his surrender ...

Yet even as we speak, lawmakers in Washington are devoting time and energy to finding ways to spend billions of immigration-related dollars assuaging President Trump’s bruised and tender ego.

That’s not an exaggeration. As the New York Times reports, now that Democrats have refused Trump’s demand for $5 billion in money for his border wall, Republicans are “casting about for ways to choreograph a compromise that would protect Mr. Trump’s ego and still be broadly acceptable.” ...

This is a bundle of distortions and misdirection. Trump conflates “border security” with “the wall,” as if they are one and the same. But they aren’t. Democrats have offered Trump border security money — $1.6 billion, provided it isn’t spent on his wall, which continues funding levels comparable with the recent past. And Democrats aren’t his only obstacle: The GOP-controlled House has refused to vote on a measure containing the $5 billion Trump wants, because many Republicans are uncertain it can pass. But Trump’s insistence that “we will win on the wall” is a key tell that this is really just about Trump winning.

Indeed, the need to create the impression that Trump isn’t losing is driving the latest developments. Senate Republicans offered Democrats a deal in which $1 billion of border money would be treated as a “slush fund” for Trump, which presumably could maybe sort of be used toward a wall. Democrats rejected it for that reason. The White House has also vaguely said Trump will somehow find wall money elsewhere.

That latter idea is in keeping with another one of Trump’s claims — that the military will build it, funded by the renegotiated NAFTA, which is meant to show that Mexico is paying for it, after all. But this math isn’t close to credible, and it’s highly likely that Trump can’t find wall money legally without congressional approval, which Democrats won’t grant. So now Republicans are talking about trying to pass a short-term funding bill without the wall money that would kick this battle into the new year, so Trump can say he’ll pick up the fight again.

In one way or another, these ideas are all about saving face for Trump. Congressional Republicans are basically in the process of negotiating his surrender.

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Daily Beast: ‘Fox & Friends’ ‘Stunned’ by Trump’s Loss to Pelosi on Border Wall Funding

News that the president decided not to shut down the U.S. government has hit his Fox News morning pals hard.
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The Hill: Michelle Malkin, other conservatives rip Trump over border wall funding

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If Thump's brain were as large as his mouth he wouldn't be backing himself into a corner every time he spouts off.
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Addie wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:55 pm
Daily Beast: ‘Fox & Friends’ ‘Stunned’ by Trump’s Loss to Pelosi on Border Wall Funding

News that the president decided not to shut down the U.S. government has hit his Fox News morning pals hard.
We need to start a list of all Trump's bragging about getting things done, and backed down when things got tough.

1) Mexico pay for wall
2) NK denuclearized
3) etc.

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