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Post by Addie » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:39 pm

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GOP congressional leaders to meet with Trump on Wednesday

Congressional GOP leaders will meet with President Donald Trump Wednesday afternoon, the latest in an ongoing lobbying effort to convince the president not to shutter the government before Election Day, according to multiple sources. ...

The federal government’s fiscal year ends on Sept. 30, just a few weeks before the critical midterm elections. But Trump has threatened to veto any spending measures that don’t include $5 billion for his border wall with Mexico.

With Senate Democrats loath to give in without their own immigration concessions, GOP leaders have set in motion a plan to delay the funding fight over border security until after the election. But Trump has sent mixed signals about whether or not he will go along.

GOP leaders, fighting to save their majorities in Congress, have been impressing upon the president their belief that the House could be lost if Republicans shut the government down so close to Election Day. There are some factions in the White House, however, that believe the House is already lost and that the president should fight on for his own priorities while he still can.


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Post by Addie » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:42 am

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Trump Tells Republicans He Won’t Budge on Wall, Raising Odds of Shutdown

WASHINGTON — President Trump told House Republican leaders on Tuesday that Congress must accede to his demand to include $5 billion for a southern border wall in a hefty year-end spending bill, intensifying a fight over one of his signature campaign promises that could lead to a partial government shutdown next week.

With less than 10 working days to wrestle out the details of an anticipated seven-bill spending package and deliver a measure to the president’s desk, Democrats have shown little sign of giving in to Mr. Trump’s demands. But House Republican leaders said after a private White House meeting that Mr. Trump would not back down, and sought to turn Democrats’ opposition against them.

“Are they going to shut down the government because they don’t want to keep America safe?” Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana, the No. 3 House Republican, told reporters outside the West Wing. “I think that’s a question a lot of Democrats are going to be answering very soon.”

Some signs of the potential for a deal remained. In an interview with The Washington Post published after the meeting, Mr. Trump signaled a willingness to compromise with Democrats, who oppose the construction of a concrete barrier, saying, “I might get it done another way.” And the president has made similar threats over wall funding before, only to back down.

Democrats, for their part, have long contended that they have no objections to strengthening border security — including reinforcing existing fences — but instead object to the physical structure Mr. Trump has spent years describing on the campaign trail.



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Post by Foggy » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:35 am

Dems should simply hammer again and again and again that Trump said México was going to pay for the Wall. And tell everyone that it's a horrible outrage to even suggest that American taxpayers should pay for it. Just keep asking over and over, WHY IS TRUMP NOT MAKING MÉXICO PAY FOR IT?


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Post by Jim » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:43 am

Foggy wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:35 am
Dems should simply hammer again and again and again that Trump said México was going to pay for the Wall. And tell everyone that it's a horrible outrage to even suggest that American taxpayers should pay for it. Just keep asking over and over, WHY IS TRUMP NOT MAKING MÉXICO PAY FOR IT?
Aren't we STILL waiting for Iraq to pay for the Bush needless war?



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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:43 am

Foggy wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:35 am
Dems should simply hammer again and again and again that Trump said México was going to pay for the Wall. And tell everyone that it's a horrible outrage to even suggest that American taxpayers should pay for it. Just keep asking over and over, WHY IS TRUMP NOT MAKING MÉXICO PAY FOR IT?
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Post by Addie » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:07 pm

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Democrats reject new Republican plan to pay for Trump’s wall

Congressional Democrats said Thursday they’re prepared to reject a new GOP plan to get President Trump the money he’s demanding for his border wall — escalating the chances of a partial government shutdown next week.

The new Republican plan would deliver $5 billion for Trump’s long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall by dividing the expenditure over two years — $2.5 billion in 2019 and $2.5 billion in 2020.

But Democrats, who have rejected the idea of spending $5 billion on a wall Trump claimed Mexico would pay for, said splitting the money up over two years did not make it more palatable.

“No matter how many years you spread it over, $5 billion for President Trump’s wasteful wall is too much money,” said Rep. Nita M. Lowey (D-N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee. “While we are willing to negotiate on how best to secure our border, we will never support wasting tax dollars on a wall designed to gin up the Republican base.”

Democratic lawmakers and aides in the Senate also said the plan for $5 billion over two years wouldn’t fly.

“He’s asking the taxpayers to give him money . . . for something when he gave his solemn word that taxpayers wouldn’t have to pay, the Mexicans would pay, and has threatened to shut down the government in I guess an attempt to bail out the Mexicans from his promise,” said Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), the top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. “It doesn’t make much sense.”



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Post by RVInit » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:12 am

AndyinPA wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:43 am
Foggy wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:35 am
Dems should simply hammer again and again and again that Trump said México was going to pay for the Wall. And tell everyone that it's a horrible outrage to even suggest that American taxpayers should pay for it. Just keep asking over and over, WHY IS TRUMP NOT MAKING MÉXICO PAY FOR IT?
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:yeah: Also, I expect Republicans in the Senate will be "investigating" the FBI and Obama's DOJ - behind closed doors of course, so they can selectively leak misleading testimony.

So - Democrats in the House should schedule open investigations calling those same witnesses. Republicans are masters at "outsmarting" Democrats in Congress. Not because they are smarter, but because they are sneaky and have ill intentions. Democrats need to get smarter at beating them at their own game. When they have closed door investigations where they leak - follow up with open questioning of the same witnesses. Two can play at that game, and Democrats need to up their game. Quit falling for Republican lies that they want bipartisan cooperation. They do not. If they did, they would call out Faux and do something about why that propaganda station is allowed to call themselves "news". They want their cake and eat it to. It's time for Democrats to eat the Republican cake. All of it. And, it doesn't need to be done using Avenatti tactics. They are running the country. It should be done with dignity and honesty.


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Post by AndyinPA » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:45 am

Yeah, the Democrats have been outfoxed by the republicans for a very long time. They are still thinking of the republican party as a political adversary. The republicans have treated them as the political enemy for a long time. It changes everything. This does seem like a good chance for the Democrats to change the conversation. It's a start.



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Post by Mikedunford » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:51 am

Unfortunately, there is one element that makes things a bit more complex:

Republicans are usually happy to fuck up the government, even though this inevitably results in pain to any number of Americans. Fucking up government - slicing bits and pieces off to try and get it to fit into a bathtub - is one of their goals. They're happy to hold Americans hostage in the process, and they've shown very few qualms about shooting the hostage.

Averting those outcomes without negotiation and compromise can be challenging.


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Post by Addie » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:23 pm

WaPo: Everything you need to know about the possible government shutdown that may be coming this month



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Post by Addie » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:27 pm

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Trump meeting with Pelosi and Schumer canceled as shutdown looms

A meeting between President Donald Trump and top Democratic congressional leaders on Tuesday will not take place, pushing back crucial talks just days before a potential government shutdown.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) had been scheduled to huddle privately with Trump in the Oval Office, but the meeting was canceled after the death of former President George H.W. Bush, according to a senior Democratic aide. No Republicans were invited to the session.

Congress has until Friday to act before funding for large swaths of the federal government runs out.

Trump has expressed a willingness to pass a short-term funding extension. But weekend talks between the two parties over a spending stopgap failed to lead to an agreement.

GOP and Democratic leaders couldn't agree on a one- or two-week funding deal. Democrats were initially pushing for a one-week extension, while Republicans wanted two weeks. But Democrats now appear likely to support a two-week government funding bill, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.



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Post by Addie » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:35 pm

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Trump demands border wall money; shutdown showdown nears

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — President Donald Trump said Friday that Congress should provide all the money he wants for his promised U.S.-Mexico border wall, and he called illegal immigration a “threat to the well-being of every American community.”

Trump spoke hours after signing a short-term spending bill that covers key government departments for two more weeks, until Dec. 21, setting up a pre-Christmas showdown over the wall.

The president wants the next spending package to include at least $5 billion for the proposed wall. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California rejected that a day earlier.

At an appearance in Kansas City, Missouri, Trump accused Democrats of playing a political game, and said it was one that he ultimately would win.



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Post by Notorial Dissent » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:57 pm

The way things are going, if they can actually get a budget together I'm not sure but what they couldn't override a veto at this point. They might just do it to spite him.


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Post by Addie » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:25 am

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'His word isn't good': Dems don't trust Trump to make shutdown deal

Expectations are low that anything will come of a meeting between Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump.


Donald Trump’s meeting Tuesday with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer may go a long way toward determining whether the government enters a partial shutdown before Christmas.

But as Democrats seriously re-engage with Trump for the first time in nearly a year, their broad distrust of the president has expectations for a deal at rock bottom.

“We’ve had limited success in dealing with this president,” said Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.). “His word isn’t good. Within 48 hours he reverses himself. It’s very difficult to enter into a long-term agreement.”

The House and Senate Democratic leaders have been here before. Multiple times over the past two years they thought they'd cut a deal with Trump only to see him swiftly trash “Chuck and Nancy” and demand hefty conservative concessions.

Now Trump is threatening to shut down a large swath of the federal government if he doesn’t get billions in funding for his border wall.



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Post by Addie » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:03 am

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Most Don't Want Shutdown Over Border Wall

A new NPR/PBS/Marist poll finds that 57% of Americans think President Trump should compromise on his border wall to prevent a government shutdown.

Furthermore, nearly 69% of Americans do not consider building a border wall between the United States and Mexico to be an immediate priority for the next Congress.



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Post by Volkonski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:27 am

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SCHEDULE UPDATE: @GOPLeader McCarthy tells House Rs they likely will be out of session next week Monday and Tuesday and don’t need to come back til Wednesday, sources in room say.

That leaves just three legislative days next week to strike a deal to avert government shutdown


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Post by Volkonski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:10 pm

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TRUMP: "Yes. If we don't get what we want, one way or the other...I will shut down the government. Absolutely. I am proud to shut down the govt for border security...I will take the mantle, I will be the one to shut it down. And I'm going to shut it down for border security."
Well, guess there will be no question about who to blame if there is a shutdown. :thumbs:


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Post by Addie » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:22 pm

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The Latest: Schumer calls Trump wall threat 'temper tantrum'

WASHINGTON —

The Latest on President Donald Trump's promised U.S.-Mexico border wall (all times local):

12:45 p.m.

A closed-door meeting between President Donald Trump and congressional leaders lasted barely 30 minutes Tuesday after a heated televised opening session "spiraled downwards," in the words of House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi.

Speaking outside the White House after the Oval Office meeting, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer blasted Trump over his renewed threat to shut down part of the government over funding of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Schumer said, "This temper tantrum that he seems to throw will not get him his wall."

Pelosi said Trump does not have the votes in the House to secure the billions he wants to fulfill his promise to build a wall.

Schumer says if Trump doesn't change course, "He will get no wall and he will get a shutdown."

Government funding for some agencies is set to expire on Dec. 21, threatening a partial shutdown.



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Post by Volkonski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:37 pm

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The White House explains the meeting like this: “President Trump had a constructive dialogue with Democrat Leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi ... Major disagreement remains on the issue of border security and transparency," @PressSec says.
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:21 pm

Trump has already lost the shutdown fight

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... be29cbf149
The first rule of shutdown fights is never say you are for a shutdown. Voters invariably oppose this kind of stunt and see it as evidence of incompetence and unnecessary rancor by the governing party. In short, since Republicans control everything and are likely to be blamed for shuttering the government, the last thing President Trump wants to do is say he is for a shutdown. And that’s exactly what he said Tuesday, no doubt to the joy of Democrats who are trying to convince Americans the GOP is unfit to govern.

:snippity:

Ironically, it was Democrats who tried to spare Trump the embarrassment. (“Pelosi and Schumer repeatedly sought to end the open press portion of the meeting," CNN reports, "telling the President they should debate in private, not in front of the cameras. ‘Let us have our conversation and then we can meet with the press again,’ Pelosi said.”)

It was an extraordinary moment when Trump not only lost the high ground as president but made Democrats look like the grown-ups. ("The American people recognize that we must keep government open, that a shutdown is not worth anything, and that we should not have a Trump shutdown,” Pelosi said, sounding more like a president than the actual president.)

As if that was not enough, Trump declared, “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.” Schumer was on solid ground later describing Trump’s performance as a “temper tantrum." In a terse written statement, Pelosi and Schumer said,“We gave the President two options that would keep the government open. It’s his choice to accept one of those options or shut the government down.”


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Post by Volkonski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:30 pm

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Aide in rm when Pelosi described Oval mtg to colleagues said she crowed about Dems having gotten him to “fully own” a shutdown. Also said wall is “like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him.”
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:35 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/11/us/p ... &smtyp=cur
The two New Yorkers early on feigned a great mutual understanding and sent signals that they could do business. They had earlier held a “cheeseburger summit,” and they dined on Chinese spiced beef, but with little to show for it. On Tuesday, Mr. Schumer adopted a more confrontational posture. When the president asked Mr. Schumer if he wanted to speak, the senator replied, “Yes, we have a lot of disagreements here. The Washington Post today gave you a whole lot of Pinocchios because they say you have constantly misstated how much of the wall is built.” That prompted an angry retort from Mr. Trump, saying the last time the government shut down, “you got killed.”

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Mr. Trump said that “Nancy is in a situation where it is not easy for her to talk right now,” concluding a response to a reporter with a demand for border security.

Ms. Pelosi’s riposte? “Mr. President, please don’t characterize the strength that I bring to this meeting as a leader of the House Democrats who just won a big victory.”

She then adopted the pose of fact checker, challenging index cards that Mr. Trump had waved around: “What the president is representing in terms of his cards over there are not factual. We have to have an evidence-based conversation about what does work and what money has been spent and how effective it is.”


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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:10 pm
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TRUMP: "Yes. If we don't get what we want, one way or the other...I will shut down the government. Absolutely. I am proud to shut down the govt for border security...I will take the mantle, I will be the one to shut it down. And I'm going to shut it down for border security."
Well, guess there will be no question about who to blame if there is a shutdown. :thumbs:
Stamping his wee liddle feet. :roll: Seems that dotus does not comprehend what a shutdown really means. The government workers wil thank him yuuugely :sarcasm:



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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:08 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:30 pm
Julie Davis @juliehdavis

Aide in rm when Pelosi described Oval mtg to colleagues said she crowed about Dems having gotten him to “fully own” a shutdown. Also said wall is “like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him.”
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