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Post by Volkonski » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:14 pm


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Today hundreds of Hopi and Navajo miners marched to oppose the Navajo Generating Station shutdown. Inside the tribes' complicated relationship with the plant:
http://
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The plant’s operator, Salt River Project (SRP), says natural gas is cleaner and cheaper. For the Navajo Nation, the loss of NGS will trigger a sudden and traumatic bow out from the coal industry while reinforcing a relationship based on exploitation and colonialism.

To SRP and the states of Arizona, California and Nevada, the Navajo Nation is simply a resource that can be used and discarded.

In 2009, SRP approached the Navajo Nation to renew their lease and extend the life of NGS until 2044. A deal was struck, and in 2013, the Navajo council passed the agreement after a grueling six months of debate, special sessions, workshops and other expenditures of time and money. However, SRP never signed the lease, and many Navajos found out when the utility announced that it would decommission the plant by 2019 – a complete reversal of its previous position and clear indication of how little concern the company had for its hosts.

When SRP announced that it would cease operations by the end of the year, it sent the entire Navajo Council scrambling to keep the plant from closing. To avoid the catastrophic shock to the Nation’s annual budget, and the sudden layoff of hundreds of workers, the Council passed a “replacement lease” which will keep the plant running until 2019 and delay its dismantlement until 2022.
The Navajo are between a rock and a hard place.


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Post by gupwalla » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:39 pm

While I sympathize with the plight of the Navajo, the hard cold economics say that coal is dead. Accept that and move your people forward, or reject it and hold your people back.

I say the same for the coal region of WV-OH-PA-KY. Stop dreaming for the world that was and start planning for the world that will be. You're already too late, but maybe you can still make a difference to your people's lives.


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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:28 pm

gupwalla wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:39 pm
While I sympathize with the plight of the Navajo, the hard cold economics say that coal is dead. Accept that and move your people forward, or reject it and hold your people back.

I say the same for the coal region of WV-OH-PA-KY. Stop dreaming for the world that was and start planning for the world that will be. You're already too late, but maybe you can still make a difference to your people's lives.
Yes on the last part. There's just something about coal miners that doesn't let them let go. I have a cousin whose dad worked in the mine and he died young of black lung disease. She's still gung-ho on coal. She really bought into 45's promises on coal. She doesn't even live in coal country any more. I've somewhat suspected that it's something about the bonding of miners over the dangers of the jobs that keeps them tied to it. But it's way past time to wake up, though. I understand change is tough, but change happens and you either adapt or get left behind.

Pittsburgh decided to adapt when we lost the steel mills. It can be done and be done well. We've adapted well enough to be in the top 20 list of HQ2 (or whatever they are calling it) for Amazon (I hope we don't get it).



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Re: Coal

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Post by Danraft » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:59 am

D9nt know if this was posted. Came across a comment about new coal subsidies and this it.
A c9ntrived subsidy to solve a non existent problem of power grid fuel shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... rick-perry


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Post by DejaMoo » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:35 am

Black Lung Study Finds Biggest Cluster Ever Of Fatal Coal Miners' Disease
Epidemiologists at the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health say they've identified the largest cluster of advanced black lung disease ever reported, a cluster that was first uncovered by NPR 14 months ago.

"This is the largest cluster of progressive massive fibrosis ever reported in the scientific literature," says Scott Laney, a NIOSH epidemiologist involved in the study.

"We've gone from having nearly eradicated PMF in the mid-1990s to the highest concentration of cases that anyone has ever seen," he said.

:snippity: "Miners are dying at a much younger age," he says, noting that in the 1990s, the clinic's PMF diagnoses typically involved miners in their 60s, 70s and 80s. Now the disease strikes miners in their 50s, 40s and even 30s with fewer years mining coal.

"A high proportion" of the miners in the NIOSH study had severely advanced disease and "coal mining tenure of less than 20 years, which are indications of exceptionally severe and rapidly progressive disease," the study says.
This is terrible news! In response, I expect the administration will cut funding for tracking and reporting such incidents.



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:35 am

The prior article mentioned in above article indicates further down a suspected cause, mining scarcer resources out of rock than mining pure coal.
Advanced Black Lung Cases Surge In Appalachia

December 15, 2016 6:13 PM ET Howard Berkes

Across Appalachia, coal miners are suffering from the most serious form of the deadly mining disease black lung in numbers more than 10 times what federal regulators report, an NPR investigation has found.

The government, through the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, reported 99 cases of "complicated" black lung, or progressive massive fibrosis, throughout the country the last five years.

But NPR obtained data from 11 black lung clinics in Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio, which reported a total of 962 cases so far this decade. The true number is probably even higher, because some clinics had incomplete records and others declined to provide data.


www.npr.org/2016/12/15/505577680/advanc ... appalachia



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Post by Volkonski » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:27 pm


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Big blast brings down two giant smokestacks at a Canadian power plant on the shores of Lake Erie in Nanticoke, Ontario.
http://
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Officials called the demolition "symbolic" of Ontario having eliminated coal-fired electricity.
11:17 PM - Feb 28, 2018


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Re: Coal

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Post by Volkonski » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:09 pm

UK to pass 1,000 hours without coal as energy shift accelerates

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... CMP=twt_gu
Britain will soon have been powered for more than a thousand hours without coal this year, in a new milestone underscoring how the polluting fuel’s decline is accelerating.

The UK’s last eight coal power plants staged a brief revival when the “beast from the east” pushed up gas prices earlier this year, causing coal plants to fire up.

However, the blip proved short-lived and immaterial, figures compiled by MyGridGB show. The country is expected to pass the threshold of 1,000 coal-free hours before the weekend is out and possibly as early as Thursday night.

The pace of coal power’s demise is speeding up. Throughout the whole of 2017 there were 624 coal-free hours, up from 210 hours in 2016.


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:06 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:09 pm
UK to pass 1,000 hours without coal as energy shift accelerates

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... CMP=twt_gu
Britain will soon have been powered for more than a thousand hours without coal this year, in a new milestone underscoring how the polluting fuel’s decline is accelerating.

The UK’s last eight coal power plants staged a brief revival when the “beast from the east” pushed up gas prices earlier this year, causing coal plants to fire up.

However, the blip proved short-lived and immaterial, figures compiled by MyGridGB show. The country is expected to pass the threshold of 1,000 coal-free hours before the weekend is out and possibly as early as Thursday night.

The pace of coal power’s demise is speeding up. Throughout the whole of 2017 there were 624 coal-free hours, up from 210 hours in 2016.
OMFSM - how will dotus put down Ms. May over this ?:? :doh: :think:



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