Who Wrote The New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

Who wrote the NY Times Op-Ed?

Nikki Haley
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1%
Don McGahn
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7%
Dan Coats
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16%
John Kelly
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13%
Mike Pompeo
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1%
Javanka
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2%
Mike Pence or Team Pence
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25%
Another Cabinet Member or Top Official
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Lower level Official (e.g. Deputy Assistant) / Other
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Donald
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Total votes: 92

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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:10 am

The Hercule Poirot solution: It is a cabal represented by a point person who is talented at deflection. George Conway may provide information he learns from Kelly.


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:26 am


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When asked today, Trump would not rule out the death penalty for the senior official who wrote the op-ed for the New York Times. Proof that the op-ed needed to be written.

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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by pipistrelle » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:41 am

I confess surprise the answer hasn't yet surfaced.



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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:49 pm

a Trumpism - "we are going to look at that..."



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Post by Judge Roy Bean » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:03 pm

You need to add a "None of the above" to the list.


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Post by Orlylicious » Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:29 pm

Only can have 10 choices and to change it resets the votes... should have done NOTA but there is an / Other option.



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Post by NMgirl » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:13 am

Who are people betting on? Mike Pence is the culprit of choice.

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Post by MsDaisy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:40 am



Birfers are toast

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Post by TheNewSaint » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:48 pm

Hercule Parrot wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:38 pm
if anyone is obstructing the ShitGibbon's agenda then that's great. Something less bad is going to happen to America if they can just keep his tiny hands off the nuclear football for a little while longer. And if insiders are sabotaging the ambitions of Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, Teresa May, Bashar al-Assad or Benjamin Netanyahu, that's also great by me.
But they're not doing any of those things.

The very editorial itself praises Donald Trump's actions. These people aren't trying to rein him in; they're trying to minimize the damage his personality causes, while retaining the power of the presidency for the Republican Party. I certainly haven't noticed a decrease in bad ideas emanating from the Oval Office. Tariffs are still being thrown around. Kavanaugh is still going to get confirmed. What good are these obstructors doing? I don't see any.

And what happens when the GOP realizes they can nominate any old biomass for the office and make all the decisions themselves behind closed doors? That's not a good precedent.

These people need to begin removing Trump from office, follow his orders, or resign.



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Post by TheNewSaint » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:41 am
I confess surprise the answer hasn't yet surfaced.
Yeah, is really that hard to tell who's not following your orders?



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Post by Kendra » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:04 pm

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09 ... times-oped
A procession of denials by Cabinet secretaries and White House officials has done little to abate Donald Trump’s rage over the anonymous op-ed The New York Times published on Wednesday. Flying to Fargo, North Dakota, on Friday, Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One that he wants Attorney General Jeff Sessions to investigate the writer of the piece. Trump’s escalation of his war against the Times, close on the heels of the rollout of Bob Woodward’s new book, Fear, has sent the West Wing into paroxysms of paranoia and suspicion. “It’s a hall of mirrors,” one Republican close to the president told me.

Trump continues to be in a dark mood. “Rip-shit,” one person familiar with his thinking told me. “He’s punch-drunk,” one outside adviser said. “He’s been hit so hard this week he doesn’t know what to do.” Another outside adviser to the White House added, “He’s not happy he has saboteurs of unelected people trying to pull off a coup d’etat.”

With Trump so far unable to execute a strategy to stanch the drip-drip-drip of damaging disclosures, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump have taken the lead in getting control of the crisis. (The Washington Post reported that Trump said the only people he could trust were his family.) Earlier this week, they told Trump they were deeply troubled by the accounts in Woodward’s book and blamed Chief of Staff John Kelly for many of the leaks, an outside adviser close to them told me. “‘He’s destroying your presidency,’” Ivanka told her father, the outside adviser, who was briefed on the conversation, said. Their hunt for the author of the Times op-ed may bring them into the final chapter of their long-running feud with Kelly.



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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by BrianH » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:18 pm

Has the King appointed someone to be his official food and drink taster?



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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:08 pm

I cannot imagine Miller being any sort of rational influence. It is hard to imagine him as the author of the op-ed.


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Post by p0rtia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:17 pm

I'm wavering on my "It's Kelly" conviction. Whilst the text of the op-ed seems to match up remarkably well with Kelly's arrogance, anger and contempt, the headline "I am part of the resistance" implies someone who sees him or herself as part of a group. I have a hard time seeing Kelly putting himself forward as part of any group. He's got Al Haig levels of hubris.

I'm not changing my vote, but I'm listening to the analysts out there who are pointing at various second-tier advisors (chiefs of staff, speech writers, and lawyers) in the White House.

But not Pence. Never Pence. Not with Pence's knowledge.


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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by Slim Cognito » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:33 pm

SLQ wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:27 pm
much ado wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:26 pm
Chilidog wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:18 pm
Where is Kelly's denial?
I don't think we have yet seen a denial from Kelly. Maybe Foggy's wish is coming true.
I voted for Kelly, and I'm sticking to it. This Op Ed smacked of Kelly's hubris.

Off-the-record Kelly? I could see her writing then denying it. But I could see most of those lowlifes writing then denying it.


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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by bob » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:39 pm

This American Thinker article has a different take: it posits the author is an Obama holdover.

It focuses on this paragraph:
It’s not just that the special counsel looms large. Or that the country is bitterly divided over Mr. Trump’s leadership. Or even that his party might well lose the House to an opposition hellbent on his downfall.
The author refers to the president's party; the AT article asks why didn't the author say "our party" or "my party"?

(The counterpoint being, of course, that the current GOP is not the "true" GOP, e.g., "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me.")


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Post by RoadScholar » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:43 pm

That makes no sense rhetorically. Subject was Trump. Pronoun "his" party. A construction anyone might use.

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Post by stoppingby » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:38 pm

Considering many of the likely subjects employ (or have employed) speechwriters, I think it would be very easy for one of them to ask a friend, or former speechwriter, to write the op-ed expressing the official's point of view, and then high-ranking official then submits it, alleging it is from him. But can also claim he didn't "write it" because, technically, he didn't.

While you and I would consider that lying, in the Trump administration, it would one of the most honest things any Trump official has ever said.



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Re: Who wrote the New York Times Op-Ed? 9/5/18

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Post by Maybenaut » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:59 pm

I’m going with Wilbur Ross, Secretary of Commerce.



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Post by TexasFilly » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:33 pm

The Obvious Suspect
The quest to unmask the New York Times op-ed writer has been filled with speculation. But the article’s prose points to one person in particular.
By WILLIAM SALETAN

SEPT 07, 20181:15 PM

Huntsman is an obvious suspect for several reasons. The article’s themes are classic Huntsman: effusive about conservative policies, blunt about low character. In 2016, he made the same points for and against Trump. The topic that gets the most space and detail in the piece is Huntsman’s current area, Russia. (As Slate’s Fred Kaplan points out, Trump has been circumventing and undermining Huntsman.) The prose, as in Huntsman’s speeches and interviews, is flamboyantly erudite. The tone, like Huntsman’s, is pious. And the article’s stated motive—“Americans should know that there are adults in the room”—matches a letter that Huntsman wrote to the Salt Lake Tribune in July. In the letter, Huntsman, responding to a columnist who thought the ambassador should resign rather than keep working for Trump, explained that public servants such as himself were dutifully attending to the nation’s business.

*****

Country first. The op-ed glorifies the late Sen. John McCain. It calls him a “lodestar,” the word used by Henry Kissinger at McCain’s Sept. 1 memorial service to describe the senator. It concludes with this line: “There is a quiet resistance within the administration of people choosing to put country first.” “Country first” was McCain’s presidential campaign slogan in 2008. Huntsman, who idolized McCain, adopted the same slogan for his 2012 presidential campaign. A week ago, after McCain died, Huntsman lauded McCain as his mentor and recalled his motto, “Country first.” Huntsman also flew back from Moscow to attend the memorial service.

Malign. The op-ed aims its most specific criticism at Trump’s coddling of Vladimir Putin:

On Russia, for instance, the president was reluctant to expel so many of Mr. Putin’s spies as punishment for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain. He complained for weeks about senior staff members letting him get boxed into further confrontation with Russia, and he expressed frustration that the United States continued to impose sanctions on the country for its malign behavior.

That’s a lot of detail about what Trump said and did. It’s exactly the subject on which Huntsman would be most likely to get good inside information. In addition, malign—which is fancier and more correct in this context than the more popular term malignant—is one of Huntsman’s favorite words, especially when talking about Russia. Last year, at his confirmation hearing, Huntsman repeatedly denounced Russia’s “malign activity.” This summer, in briefings and interviews leading up to the July 16 summit between Trump and Putin, Huntsman criticized Russia’s “malign activity,” “malign activities,” and “malign events.” He used the word so profusely that Chris Wallace, while interviewing Huntsman on Fox News, felt obliged to quote the dictionary definition.

Much more at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... trump.html, including the terms: "moorings"; "impetuous" and "inclination." It's the most convincing discussion I've seen so far.


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Post by TollandRCR » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:48 pm

I agree with Trump about Secretary Ross: he is past his prime. I am not sure that I would label him senile, but he could not have eritten thst letter.


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