What's Worse for a Post-Trump GOP -- A Blow Out or a Close Race?

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:43 pm

While most people who oppose Trump want to see him blown out in November, with a strong repudiation of his racism, misogyny, xenophobia and hate mongering, would that result bring change to the GOP, or would the Party Elders simply shrug off the result to an anomalous candidate and continue as they have been?

Would a close result cause the party to see that there may be some electoral gold to be found in a conservative populism?

Or will it make no difference?

I guess I am rationalizing that a close result wouldn't be that bad because it will cause the Republican Party to reorganize itself. But will it?

Having said all that, I still want a blow out. I want the schadenfreude. I want Trump and Trumpism to be crushed.

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Post by Jim » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:49 pm

I think the results down ticket will determine it more than the presidency. Too many built-in excuses.

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Post by Notorial Dissent » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:21 pm

I think Jim has a point here, a lot of what the party that does not learn from its past mistakes, GOP, is what happens with the rest of the ticket. I am hoping, really really hoping, that LaRump will have a contagion effect and take down a large number, or at least enough, of the incumbent or running GOP to get the message across that Trumpism, racism, sexism, and the scarism that they have been relying on isn't going to cut it as far as votes is concerned, at least that is my hope. Probably a vane home, but still I can hope. Remember that I said this is the party that doesn't learn from past mistakes. So as Stern puts it I will happily settle for a blow out. I want the schadenfreude. I want Trump and Trumpism to be crushed. I quite frankly think LaRump is the vilest thing that the GOP has come up with in a very long tome, and I really really hope they pay for it, DEARLY.......
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Post by Foggy » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:26 pm

I hope - and expect - a yoooge classy landslide, a crushing victory. We know Trump will claim the election was rigged, and a close election makes that more credible. A crusher is harder to explain, even with lies.

The 40% of Republicans who support him will still support him. But the semi-sane Republicans will realize that they can't be in the same boat as the crazoids. I really do think a crusher will break the party, and leave only one big national party, and a bunch of splinters.

A crusher will leave Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell in a bigly weak position, especially if they don't ditch the Orange Menace before the election.

I want a crusher so intense that the Trumpsters understand how far out of the mainstream they really are. :dance:
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Notorial Dissent wrote:I think Jim has a point here, a lot of what the party that does not learn from its past mistakes, GOP, is what happens with the rest of the ticket. I am hoping, really really hoping, that LaRump will have a contagion effect and take down a large number, or at least enough, of the incumbent or running GOP to get the message across that Trumpism, racism, sexism, and the scarism that they have been relying on isn't going to cut it as far as votes is concerned, at least that is my hope. Probably a vane home, but still I can hope. Remember that I said this is the party that doesn't learn from past mistakes. So as Stern puts it I will happily settle for a blow out. I want the schadenfreude. I want Trump and Trumpism to be crushed. I quite frankly think LaRump is the vilest thing that the GOP has come up with in a very long tome, and I really really hope they pay for it, DEARLY.......
What happens then? Do the 1/3 of the Republican Party that doesn't care about Paul Ryan economics or Right Wing Christian religious values (no abortions, gays, porn, fornication, gambling, booze, weed or fun in general) but are really just White Identity/neo-confederate/racists/Nativists get thrown out of the party?

Do they form their own UKIP like party with 10% to 15% of the electorate? Or do they just drop out, stop voting and stay home with their guns?
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Post by June bug » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:48 pm

Cassandra asks that we please remember we may not be looking at a Post-Trump GOP, but a Post-Clinton Democratic Party.
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Post by Hektor » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:04 pm

Well, as the saying goes, "it depends."

I agree that what happens downticket will have enormous implications for the GOP. But a lot depends on the details. For instance, if major Republican Senate and House candidates decide after Labour Day that to save their own seats they need to start trashing Trump, the whole Dolchstoßlegende sort of thing comes to mind, particularly if it is close. In that case, even if the GOP managed to keep both houses of Congress it might be a Pyrrhic victory.

Similarly, a blow out where the GOP loses both houses might actually be the "best" thing for the GOP, particularly if the Republican base maintains its traditional "our losing candidate retroactively became not a true conservative for all the time we supported them" the first Wednesday after the first Monday in November.

Trump could also do some serious backstabbing himself. Regardless of whether there is actual shenanigans on the behalf of senior party candidates and leadership, Trump's, um concession speech can go a myriad number of ways, including "We would have won if not for..."

I think a lot depends on a) who betrays whom and b) who will the core Trump supporters recognize next as "being their voice." If that voice is some one individual (or at least mostly one individual) that can be, for lack of a better term, controlled by the party leadership, then regardless of whether it's a blowout or not, the GOP will continue onward. If it's more of a bomb-throwing demagogue (or even worse a bunch of different bomb-throwing demagogues who hate each other almost as much as they hate the RNC), then the GOP is in serious trouble.

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Post by TollandRCR » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:31 pm

Several of us have compared Trump to a Fascist leader of the 20th century, most often Mussolini. My basis for the comparison is that Trump is running as the Strong Man, the only one who can solve the problems that he thinks he sees. His "America First" slogan rings of both extreme German nationalism of the 1920s-1940s and the organization of that name in the U.S. that fought U.S. entry into World War II.

If that comparison has validity, then we would be well advised to watch carefully what occurs after Trump loses.

In the German Reichstag election of 1928 the NSDAP got 2.63% of the vote. In 1930 it got 18.3%. Then the terror on the streets began, and the Weimar democratic parties collapsed.

As Sinclair Lewis wrote, It Can't Happen Here. Except that it did in his fiction. We can hope that there is no Milton Mayer preparing to write of us, They Thought They Were Free.

I think there has been no greater threat to American democracy than the campaign of Donald Trump. Yes, the Civil War was an enormous threat to the nation, but that war was not about democracy.

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Post by Notorial Dissent » Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:50 pm

Foggy wrote:I hope - and expect - a yoooge classy landslide, a crushing victory. We know Trump will claim the election was rigged, and a close election makes that more credible. A crusher is harder to explain, even with lies.

The 40% of Republicans who support him will still support him. But the semi-sane Republicans will realize that they can't be in the same boat as the crazoids. I really do think a crusher will break the party, and leave only one big national party, and a bunch of splinters.

A crusher will leave Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell in a bigly weak position, especially if they don't ditch the Orange Menace before the election.

I want a crusher so intense that the Trumpsters understand how far out of the mainstream they really are. :dance:
I'm with you leben hunerd and lebenty leben percent. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.

Ryan and McConnell are to put it bluntly political whores, and not very bright ones at that. They whored themselves out to the Tea Party and look where it got them, they are both more impotent figurehead than anything else with at best a tenuous grasp on their positions, and no real discernible control of their house parties, which have pretty effectively splintered. The Tea Party doesn't want either of them, and I don't think the real GOP base wants them either. If there were any real justice in the world Ryan would lose the upcoming election, but I don't really see that happening, unless, again, the Tea party splinters the vote enough that his challenger gets in, that would indeed be heart warming. The thing is, that I don't think either of them are smart enough, or more importantly, astute enough to realize that they need to drop LaRump like the plague rat he is and hope they can salvage their political careers, I'm not sure they can at this point. If he gets in they are doomed, and if the GOP takes the drubbing I am hoping for they are even worse doomed as the stench from the Orange Menace will cling worse than skunk. LaRump is NOT the real GOP and what he represents should be anathema to them.
Dan wrote:What happens then? Do the 1/3 of the Republican Party that doesn't care about Paul Ryan economics or Right Wing Christian religious values (no abortions, gays, porn, fornication, gambling, booze, weed or fun in general) but are really just White Identity/neo-confederate/racists/Nativists get thrown out of the party?

Do they form their own UKIP like party with 10% to 15% of the electorate? Or do they just drop out, stop voting and stay home with their guns?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but if I understand you I'll give it a shot. First, I'll go with a quote from many elections ago towit: "the moral majority is neither", and say that while I do think the nutbar faction that has gravitated to the GOP of late is a significant number but I also don't think/hope it is that significant. They are loud, bullying and highly visible, but the real headcount I think is considerable smaller than their current power warrants. They started migrating to the GOP when it first cozied up to the religious right and then it was an easy step to go from that to quietly accepting the "White Identity/neo-confederate/racists/Nativists" types and all their baggage. The plain and simple answer to your question, is YES, they need absolutely to not only show them the door, but to flat out toss them through and tell them NEVER EVER to return, to do otherwise is to guarantee further rehashes of the McCain and Romney fiascos. Then again, they also didn't learn from those, and we have another Bullwinkle moment, "of this time fer shure" and I don't think it will be any different than it was last time. That faction of the GOP needs to be marginalized and marginalized hard, and it will be to the eternal shame of the GOP, always assuming they are capable of it any longer, that they allowed those factions to hijack their party for what is realistically a very minority and unacceptable viewpoint.

Hektor, in reply to part of your comment, I don't think there will be any question of LaRump backstabbing, although I don't think it will matter whether he wins or loses, it is his nature so he'll do it, the only difference is that it will probably be worse if he loses, he is a very sore loser.

And again, I agree wholeheartedly with TollandRCR's last comment.
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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:40 am

I know Stern didn't include the third option that Trump wins, but.... The only scenario where I see this happening is if enough shit is flung to get low-information voters to believe just long enough that Hillary is too crooked and corrupt. This is not what I am hoping for, but America will survive Trump if it occurs. However, I believe that it will be the death knell for the GOP. Trump will be a complete disaster as President and the GOP establishment won't have anywhere to hide. A Trump victory will cripple the GOP for decades.

Complacency among the Democrats and Hillary's unfavorable ratings can very well doom the election. Remember, Trump luvs, those "low education voters." They just might come through for him, esp. if there is an October surprise. :smoking:

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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:32 am

I think the Republican party has the problem of deciding where it wants to be on the political right and whether that includes the far right RWNJ, racists, KKK, conspiracy types etc. At present it doesn't appeal to the centrists who voted Bush and Regan in the past, because it has gone out of its way to appeal to the far right. Now it has appealed to the far right and selected Benito Trumpolini as candidate, let him loose and the smoky back room politicians suddenly realise they now have a stupid bigot as potential leader and have alienated the centrist vote for the guaranteed RWNJ vote. At the same time, the guaranteed 27% (- that's a long standing meme/joke thing ) isn't enough to get Trump elected but it also guarantees that a lot of Republicans will be looking to lose their seats in Congress because of the 27% RWNJs.
I also find it ironic that the Republicans have been saying for years what they don't want, without offering much in the way of an alternative, but now they have a guy in Trump saying what he will do (sort of, maybe) that it turns the voters off. It's like Trump started with 48% of the vote and is seeing how far down he can get his support by what he says when he is campaigning.
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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:38 am

Mr. Gneiss wrote:This is not what I am hoping for, but America will survive Trump if it occurs. However, I believe that it will be the death knell for the GOP. Trump will be a complete disaster as President and the GOP establishment won't have anywhere to hide. A Trump victory will cripple the GOP for decades.
If Trump wins then Congress will go Democrat, maybe not immediately but pretty quickly. Trump's presidency will be a series of unconstitutional edicts overturned by courts and a string of policies which have unexpected consequences especially on his supporters.
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Post by Adrianinflorida » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:12 am

We all know that if/when Trump loses, the Alt Right will blame it on the fact that he wasn't "Conservative Enough". The GOP as a party will do another post-mortem and say that next time they'll reach out to Hispanics and African Americans, and proceed to nominate Eric Trump in 2020

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Post by Family Liberty Patriot » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:21 am

Adrianinflorida wrote:We all know that if/when Trump loses, the Alt Right will blame it on the fact that he wasn't "Conservative Enough".
Earlier, my sig quoted, in part, this column from Ed at Gin and Tacos:
Ed wrote:The best part about this as an outsider who actively wishes ill upon the entire conservative movement is the knowledge that its reaction to this crisis will be to insist that it needs to get even more conservative and vicious. I can't wait.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:56 am

Family Liberty Patriot wrote:
Adrianinflorida wrote:We all know that if/when Trump loses, the Alt Right will blame it on the fact that he wasn't "Conservative Enough".
Earlier, my sig quoted, in part, this column from Ed at Gin and Tacos:
Ed wrote:The best part about this as an outsider who actively wishes ill upon the entire conservative movement is the knowledge that its reaction to this crisis will be to insist that it needs to get even more conservative and vicious. I can't wait.
Indeed.
I was among those who mocked Republicans in 2009 when they did exactly that, and in 2010 they took back Congress.

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Post by BillTheCat » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:16 pm

I don't care what happens to that awful party.

But Trump needs to be utterly crushed, demolished, wiped out. His ideology must be rejected absolutely, as we did with Nazism in the 40's. :nope:
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Post by Karen Walker » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:00 pm

A close race would be worse for the GOP (and America). They'd have less reason to reject the bigotry some are "suddenly shocked" to find in their voters.

Although - even with a blowout they'll refuse to learn from their mistakes and continue forward with their backwards policies. In other words - if we thought the obstruction against Obama was bad it'll be even worse against Hillary.

I do suspect either way a few will split off and try to form a hybrid Conservative/Libertarian type party. Think Ted Cruz conservatism minus the pot-smoking, ghey marriage endorsing hippies from the libertarian faction.

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Post by rifleman1635 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 1:43 pm

What would be the worst for the GOP? A close race where Drumpf wins. There will be no dealing with his arrogant a-holery: The tea-baggers will remain their same obstructionist selves, the more moderate GOP will be further marginalized and G-d Himself only knows what agenda "the Donald" will actually push for (he's already come out saying that "the Wall" won't happen even if he's elected.)

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Post by much ado » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:03 pm

rifleman1635 wrote: :snippity: (he's already come out saying that "the Wall" won't happen even if he's elected.)
According to Politico, Trump said this yesterday:
“We’re going to build a wall, don’t worry about it,” Trump said. “We’re going to build the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it, 100 percent. And it’s going to be a big wall. It’s going to be a real wall. It’s going to be as beautiful as a wall can be, but it’s going to be a real wall.”
Love the title of the article: Trump gnaws at shorter leash. It makes him sound like the mad dog he is.

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Post by rifleman1635 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:35 pm

much ado wrote:
rifleman1635 wrote: :snippity: (he's already come out saying that "the Wall" won't happen even if he's elected.)
According to Politico, Trump said this yesterday:
“We’re going to build a wall, don’t worry about it,” Trump said. “We’re going to build the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it, 100 percent. And it’s going to be a big wall. It’s going to be a real wall. It’s going to be as beautiful as a wall can be, but it’s going to be a real wall.”
Love the title of the article: Trump gnaws at shorter leash. It makes him sound like the mad dog he is.
Guess the wailing Ann Coulter was doing got him to flip-flop again: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/a ... ion-227392
This is what she got pissed about:
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Post by Fortinbras » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:07 am

I remember after the Goldwater debacle in 1964, the immediate reaction in the press, just days after the Election, was a flurry of articles on the theme of " is the Republican Party facing its end." But four years later the Republicans won the White House and did fairly well in other elections.

I expect that this election will find the Republicans flattened or very nearly and, if they resort to a sort of telethon to raise money, then maybe the time is ripe for revenge for the way the Reaganoids sabotaged the Democrats' telethon in 1981.

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Post by Piffle » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:48 am

TollandRCR wrote:Several of us have compared Trump to a Fascist leader of the 20th century, most often Mussolini. My basis for the comparison is that Trump is running as the Strong Man, the only one who can solve the problems that he thinks he sees. His "America First" slogan rings of both extreme German nationalism of the 1920s-1940s and the organization of that name in the U.S. that fought U.S. entry into World War II.

If that comparison has validity, then we would be well advised to watch carefully what occurs after Trump loses.

In the German Reichstag election of 1928 the NSDAP got 2.63% of the vote. In 1930 it got 18.3%. Then the terror on the streets began, and the Weimar democratic parties collapsed.

As Sinclair Lewis wrote, It Can't Happen Here. Except that it did in his fiction. We can hope that there is no Milton Mayer preparing to write of us, They Thought They Were Free.

I think there has been no greater threat to American democracy than the campaign of Donald Trump. Yes, the Civil War was an enormous threat to the nation, but that war was not about democracy.

Maybe I am exaggerating things. I sincerely hope so.
:yeah: Anything less than a thorough thrashing will leave the door open for fascism in our future.

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Post by Flatpointhigh » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:09 pm

Trump is already laying the groundwork for an insurrection when he loses by continually beating the "voter fraud"/"rigged" kettledrum. While we laugh, we should be vigilant to the his Aristotelean use of rhetoric:
“An emotional speaker always makes his audience feel with him, even when there is nothing in his arguments; which is why many speakers try to overwhelm their audience by mere noise.” — Aristotle, Rhetoric.
Donald Trump is a master of classical rhetoric — what Plato called “the art of winning the soul by discourse.”

Yes, while Donald Trump may seem to be a clown or buffoon, he is in fact one of the most effective practitioners of persuasive rhetoric the political world has seen in a long time. If he wins the GOP nomination it will be in large part because of his mastery of rhetoric.

I use the term rhetoric here not with its current negative connotation of overly ornate and stylized speech that is utterly unlike the way real people speak. Rather I use the term in its more classical, Aristotelian sense — the art of persuasion using the figures of speech specifically to match the way real people speak. The fact that Trump sounds more like a real person than his political competition shows precisely how upside-down our current view of rhetoric is.

...a rhetorician could persuade any audience, no matter how intelligent, that he was more of a doctor than a real doctor. The Elizabethans certainly viewed rhetoric that way. One best-selling 16th-century handbook asserted that mastery of rhetoric and the figures of speech makes the orator “the emperour of men’s minds & affections, and next to the omnipotent God in the power of persuasion.”
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Post by TollandRCR » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:47 pm

Piffle wrote:Anything less than a thorough thrashing will leave the door open for fascism in our future.
I am afraid that the door has been open for a long time. I am also afraid that a ~40% share for Trump will not constitute a thorough thrashing. Hitler's 2.3% worries me.
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Post by noblepa » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:53 pm

Dan1100 wrote:
Notorial Dissent wrote:I think Jim has a point here, a lot of what the party that does not learn from its past mistakes, GOP, is what happens with the rest of the ticket. I am hoping, really really hoping, that LaRump will have a contagion effect and take down a large number, or at least enough, of the incumbent or running GOP to get the message across that Trumpism, racism, sexism, and the scarism that they have been relying on isn't going to cut it as far as votes is concerned, at least that is my hope. Probably a vane home, but still I can hope. Remember that I said this is the party that doesn't learn from past mistakes. So as Stern puts it I will happily settle for a blow out. I want the schadenfreude. I want Trump and Trumpism to be crushed. I quite frankly think LaRump is the vilest thing that the GOP has come up with in a very long tome, and I really really hope they pay for it, DEARLY.......
What happens then? Do the 1/3 of the Republican Party that doesn't care about Paul Ryan economics or Right Wing Christian religious values (no abortions, gays, porn, fornication, gambling, booze, weed or fun in general) but are really just White Identity/neo-confederate/racists/Nativists get thrown out of the party?
Do they form their own UKIP like party with 10% to 15% of the electorate? Or do they just drop out, stop voting and stay home with their guns?
I suspect that, if Trump loses, they will leave the party voluntarily and spend the next four years crying on the internet that Trump didn't go far enough, or that the election was stolen. I don't think that there is anything in the "traditional" republican party to keep them.

I've said it before, the Trump campaign is not a sign of things to come; it is a cult of personality. Without the Donald at the head, the alt-right crazies will not suddenly become republicans.

My hope is that the sane, moderate republicans will regain control of the party and purge the party of both the alt-right white nationalists and the teabaggers.

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