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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:01 pm

Run, Joe, run! If you're the Republican nominee, the Kochs won't give you any money. They have standards. Low, but they care about being declared supporters of an anti Semite like you.

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Ariz. Republic: County paid $1 million to settle Arpaio-era immigration lawsuit:
Maricopa County has paid nearly $1 million in attorneys fees as final settlement of an ongoing lawsuit over former Sheriff Joe Arpaio's workplace immigration raids.

The case, filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and the immigrant advocacy group Puente Arizona, originated in 2014, when Arpaio was raiding businesses and arresting immigrants who were then charged with identity theft because they had used false documents to pretend they were in the country legally.

At the center of the case was the use of a federal immigration document, called an I-9 form, that authorities were using to investigate or prosecute state identity-theft or forgery violations.

In early 2015, a U.S. District Court judge imposed a preliminary injunction on the tactic, ruling that state law was pre-empted by federal law. Prosecutors dismissed 229 cases in progress.

* * *

In the end, all that remained of the ACLU lawsuit was a permanent injunction against using the federal form in state prosecutions — and the legacy of how the Maricopa County Sheriff's and County Attorney's Offices changed how they investigated and prosecuted workplace identity theft.

And under federal law, that was enough to require the defendants to pay attorneys fees.

In October, the court awarded the plaintiffs $1,056,116.86 in fees and expenses. A settlement reached Jan. 26 arrived at a final figure of $995,030.60, which, according to ACLU attorneys, has already been paid.
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KOLO: Crowds protest Joe Arpaio's visit to Douglas County:
More than 50 people protested former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio’s visit to Douglas County February 18, 2018.

Arpaio was the keynote speaker for the annual Lincoln Reagan Dinner and fundraiser hosted by the Douglas County Republican Central Committee.

"Bringing him here reflects poorly on our community, it reflects that we support a racist, misogynist, horrible man. I am here to say that we stand with immigrants, we stand with minorities against hate and bigotry," said Ann Keasling, demonstrator.
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Ariz. Rep.: Roberts: Joe Arpaio just cost Arizona taxpayers another $7 million:
Laurie Roberts: Add another $7 million to Maricopa County taxpayers' tab for ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio's treatment of jail inmates.

The Joe Arpaio era may be over but Arizona taxpayers are still paying for it.

On Wednesday, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is scheduled to pay $7 million to settle yet another federal lawsuit from Arpaio’s days as sheriff.

This one, to the family of a mentally ill man who was arrested for a misdemeanor and wound up dead, having been beaten and shocked with a Taser while being booked into one of Arpaio’s jails.
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Clark County GOP cancels planned event with Arpaio, seeks 'less controversial speaker'

A planned high-profile appearance for controversial former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio at the Clark County Republican Party’s May convention has been shelved.

Party chairman Carl Bunce confirmed to The Nevada Independent that the 85-year-old Arpaio’s planned speech at the party’s convention on May 5 — the Cinco de Mayo holiday — had been cancelled, and said the majority of the county party’s executive board wished to obtain a “less controversial speaker” for the event. The news was first reported by conservative activist Chuck Muth.

Arpaio, who was defeated by Democrat Paul Penzone in the 2016 election after 24 years as sheriff of Maricopa County, has been a lightning rod of controversy over his treatment of inmates and focus on unauthorized immigrants. The lawman was pardoned by President Donald Trump last year after being found guilty of criminal contempt by violating a court order by continuing to target immigrants in patrols.

Bunce said the party was working on finding a new speaker for the convention and would know more next week.

Arpaio made an earlier appearance as a headliner at a Douglas County Republican Party fundraiser in February, and appeared in Las Vegas last September to accept an award from the conservative Citizen Outreach Foundation.

Arpaio announced his intention to run for Arizona’s open U.S. Senate seat vacated by Republican Sen. Jeff Flake in January, and will face off against Rep. Martha McSally and Kelli Ward in the state’s Republican primary.
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Flake’s son seeks new trial against Arpaio in Arizona: report

Sen. Jeff Flake’s (R-Ariz.) son is reportedly seeking a new civil trial against ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio, who is running to replace Flake in the Senate.

Austin Flake and his ex-wife lost a lawsuit late last year that alleged Arpaio pursued felony animal cruelty charges against them in an effort to hurt the senator politically. The case was dismissed in December.

Austin Flake’s lawyer told The Associated Press that he will seek another trial because authorities did not turn over evidence that he believes could have swayed the jury in Flake’s favor.

In June 2014, Austin Flake and his then-wife were charged in a case relating to the deaths of 21 dogs at a kennel when the air conditioning in the room they were staying in stopped working. Austin Flake and his wife were watching the dogs at while his in-laws, who operated the kennel, were out of town. <snip 2 paragraphs about Arpaio but doesn't involve this case>
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:51 pm


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Now: 9th Circuit appoints special prosecutor to defend Arizona judge's order against Joe Arpaio in contempt/ pardon dispute
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Post by bob » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:09 pm

Tallman dissents, arguing the appointment of a special prosecutor (to pick up what the DOJ has dropped) is unnecessary and ill-advised (because it is really a backdoor attempt to collaterally attack the pardon). But nb.:
Tallman wrote:Arpaio effectively conceded his guilt by accepting the pardon
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Nat'l L.J.: With DOJ Asking to Vacate Joe Arpaio's Contempt Record, Ninth Circuit to Appoint Special Prosecutor:
In dissent from the motion panel's order, Circuit Judge Richard Tallman wrote that Perkins Coie, which has represented amici pushing for a special prosecutor, should be precluded from getting the nod since the firm "represented President Trump’s former political rival, Hillary Clinton."

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John “Jack” Wilenchik, one of Arpaio’s lawyers at Wilenchik & Bartness in Phoenix, said in an email Tuesday that the Ninth Circuit’s appointment of a special prosecutor “is nothing new in this case, which has been a battle from day one between the law and deep-seated judicial prejudice.”
Oh, the irony.

Bonus:
Although the motions panel held off actually naming a special prosecutor in Tuesday’s order, Tallman wrote in a footnote to his dissent that Perkins Coie should be out of the running.
Tallman wrote:Given that the law firm serving as the primary signor for amici represented President Trump’s former political rival, Hillary Clinton, their possible opposing interests should at least preclude them from appointment as special counsel, as they requested[.]
Reached by email Tuesday, the lead Perkins Coie lawyer on the case, Jean-Jacques “J” Cabou of the firm’s Phoenix office, clarified that the firm hadn’t requested to be appointed in their brief, but rather said that they “stand ready to recommend a qualified practitioner to serve this role pro bono if that would assist [the Ninth Circuit].”

“We did not ask the court to appoint us,” Cabou said. “We asked the court to appoint a qualified practitioner, which we are confident the court will now do.”
Of course, the additional briefing will delay the 9th's decision. Which will, of course, also be Zullo and Gallup's excuse for not doing anything (other than the ole :yankyank: on Freedom Friday, etc.).
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In Tallman's dissent:
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Tallman's dissent is nonsensical.
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PBS: Sessions defends Trump’s pardons of Joe Arpaio, Scooter Libby:
Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday defended President Donald Trump’s right to pardon former Sheriff Joe Arpaio and former Bush administration official I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.

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Sessions made the comments at a Senate subcommittee hearing where Sen. Chris Van Hollen, a Maryland Democrat, reminded him that as a Republican senator from Alabama, Sessions had once defended the role and value of the Justice Department’s pardon attorney.

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He acknowledged under questioning that he could not recall any pardon during President Barack Obama’s administration that did not go through the Justice Department, but he complained about pardons from President Bill Clinton that he considered objectionable.

“I would just say that pardons that President Clinton were made were stunning, shocking and unacceptable on the merits,” he said in a raised voice. That was likely a reference to the 2001 pardon of fugitive businessman Marc Rich, an act that later came under federal investigation.

He defended Arpaio as a legitimate pardon candidate because of the former Arizona sheriff’s advanced age of 85 and misdemeanor contempt-of-court conviction. He also said Libby had “contributed greatly to America.” Libby, a former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was convicted in 2007 of lying to investigators and obstruction of justice following the 2003 leak of the covert identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame, though no one was ever charged for the leak.
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Post by Fortinbras » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:47 pm

Trump's pardons are, so far, inexplicable except for suggesting a political favoritism.

The drawback is that he cannot use them on his his own colleagues - at least until his last day in office - because the instant they get blanket pardons, they can no longer plead the Fifth Amendment and can thus be compelled by courts or Congressional committees to tell Everything that they know.

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Post by GreatGrey » Mon May 07, 2018 1:11 pm

Still costing Maricopa County money...

I am not "someone upthread".
Trump needs to be smashed into some kind of inedible orange pâté.

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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Mon May 07, 2018 1:27 pm

Elections sometimes have consequences. There is hope that property taxes go up in MC (And a lot of prices in the whole US )
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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Mon May 07, 2018 1:37 pm

bob wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:43 pm
PBS: Sessions defends Trump’s pardons of Joe Arpaio, Scooter Libby:
Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday defended President Donald Trump’s right to pardon former Sheriff Joe Arpaio and former Bush administration official I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.

* * *

Sessions made the comments at a Senate subcommittee hearing where Sen. Chris Van Hollen, a Maryland Democrat, reminded him that as a Republican senator from Alabama, Sessions had once defended the role and value of the Justice Department’s pardon attorney.

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He acknowledged under questioning that he could not recall any pardon during President Barack Obama’s administration that did not go through the Justice Department, but he complained about pardons from President Bill Clinton that he considered objectionable.

“I would just say that pardons that President Clinton were made were stunning, shocking and unacceptable on the merits,” he said in a raised voice. That was likely a reference to the 2001 pardon of fugitive businessman Marc Rich, an act that later came under federal investigation.

He defended Arpaio as a legitimate pardon candidate because of the former Arizona sheriff’s advanced age of 85 and misdemeanor contempt-of-court conviction. He also said Libby had “contributed greatly to America.” Libby, a former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, was convicted in 2007 of lying to investigators and obstruction of justice following the 2003 leak of the covert identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame, though no one was ever charged for the leak.
The Marc Rich pardon was much worse than the Lewinsky affair and much worse than the Arpaio / Libby pardons. In my opinion it disqualified in a political sense Hillary Clinton as well.
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Post by RVInit » Mon May 07, 2018 2:49 pm

Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 1:37 pm
The Marc Rich pardon was much worse than the Lewinsky affair and much worse than the Arpaio / Libby pardons. In my opinion it disqualified in a political sense Hillary Clinton as well.
That is utter and complete bullshit. Bill and Hillary Clinton are married, but they are separate individuals. Hillary is not in any way, shape, or form responsible for Bill's decisions and actions, and Bill is not in any way, shape, or form responsible for Hillary's decisions and actions.

Also, at least Bill Clinton seemed to understand that his pardon of Rich was wrong and likely has at least an understanding of the lack of ethics in that action- which is probably why he waited until the last possible minute to execute the pardon. The current POTUS has no shame and not even enough ethics to understand how awful was that pardon of Arpaio.
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Post by bob » Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm

GreatGrey wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 1:11 pm
Still costing Maricopa County money...
The 9th's decision lists who might be on the hook for cleaning up Arpaio's mess. The suspect are:

1. Arpaio: Nope; he was acting in his official capacity;
2. MCSO: Nope; not a legal entity;
3. Arizona: Nope; the county supervises the sheriff.

...leaving Maricopa County holding the bag. The party line (back when Arpaio was pulling his stunts) was the board of supervisors lacked the authority to ... errr ... supervise the sheriff. I'm guessing every supervisor who used that line in the past is going to pull a Ryan.
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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm

1.So the fact that BC knew that he did wrong when he did it is an excuse?

2.In my opinion - which is just an opinion and nothing more - HC became political responsible for the Lewinsky and Rich affairs when she decided to stay with BC (and do not tell me she did this out of love and affection ).
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Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm
So the fact that BC knew that he did wrong when he did it is an excuse?
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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Mon May 07, 2018 3:30 pm

bob wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 3:14 pm
Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm
So the fact that BC knew that he did wrong when he did it is an excuse?
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I somehow intended to answer to your own post of April 26. Sorry.
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Post by RVInit » Mon May 07, 2018 3:31 pm

Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm
1.So the fact that BC knew that he did wrong when he did it is an excuse?

2.In my opinion - which is just an opinion and nothing more - HC became political responsible for the Lewinsky and Rich affairs when she decided to stay with BC (and do not tell me she did this out of love and affection ).
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1. I don't believe anyone here, including me, said it's an excuse. I clearly said it was unethical and that he seemed to know it was unethical. That isn't an excuse. 2. You are entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to tell you that I think your logic is...wanting...to say the least.
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Post by RoadScholar » Mon May 07, 2018 7:45 pm

Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm
1.So the fact that BC knew that he did wrong when he did it is an excuse?

2.In my opinion - which is just an opinion and nothing more - HC became political responsible for the Lewinsky and Rich affairs when she decided to stay with BC (and do not tell me she did this out of love and affection ).
I see. So the playbook is: Republicans do 5000 unethical things, no problem. Democrats do two, they’re evil traitorous fuckers who should never be respected for anything positive they ever did.

OK. Just so I understand.
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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Tue May 08, 2018 1:44 am

RoadScholar wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 7:45 pm
Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Mon May 07, 2018 3:13 pm
1.So the fact that BC knew that he did wrong when he did it is an excuse?

2.In my opinion - which is just an opinion and nothing more - HC became political responsible for the Lewinsky and Rich affairs when she decided to stay with BC (and do not tell me she did this out of love and affection ).
I see. So the playbook is: Republicans do 5000 unethical things, no problem. Democrats do two, they’re evil traitorous fuckers who should never be respected for anything positive they ever did.

OK. Just so I understand.
Not my playbook that you described there.
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Post by Suranis » Tue May 08, 2018 10:01 am

Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,[1][2][3] which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6] When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world.[7][8][9]

The term "whataboutery" has been used in Britain and Ireland since the period of the Troubles (conflict) in Northern Ireland.[10][11][12] Lexicographers date the first appearance of the variant whataboutism to the 1990s[1][10] or 1970s,[13] while other historians state that during the Cold War Western officials referred to the Soviet propaganda strategy by that term.[7][14] The tactic saw a resurgence in post-Soviet Russia, relating to human rights violations committed by, and criticisms of, the Russian government.[7][15][16] The technique received new attention during Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea and military intervention in Ukraine.[17][18] Usage of the tactic extended to Russian President Vladimir Putin and his spokesman, Dmitry Peskov.[19][20][21]

The Guardian deemed whataboutism, as used in Russia, "practically a national ideology".[22] Journalist Julia Ioffe wrote that "Anyone who has ever studied the Soviet Union" was aware of the technique, citing the Soviet rejoinder to criticism, And you are lynching Negroes, as a "classic" example of the tactic.[23] Writing for Bloomberg News, Leonid Bershidsky called whataboutism a "Russian tradition",[24] while The New Yorker described the technique as "a strategy of false moral equivalences".[25] Jill Dougherty called whataboutism a "sacred Russian tactic",[26][27] and compared it to the pot calling the kettle black.[28]
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