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Post by kate520 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:59 am



Angry Antonin.  Good.  I wish him years of apoplexy.
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Post by Chilidog » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:01 am



I'm doing the "interpretive Jiggery-Pokery"  

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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:08 am



One biggie down and one to go.  6-3, too.  Let me guess.  Scalia, Thomas and Alito, were they the three?

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Post by gatsby » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:11 am



One biggie down and one to go.  6-3, too.  Let me guess.  Scalia, Thomas and Alito, were they the three?​Is the pope a liberal Catholic?

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Post by mimi » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:14 am



They're taking the news well:Hide Your Grandparents! The Five Most Panicked Right-Wing Reactions To King v. Burwellhttp://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hide-you ... -v-burwell my fav is wayne allyn root.  lol 

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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:25 am



If they want to call it SCOTUS care, fine  by me.  They can call it SATAN scare if they want to.  It's the law of the land.  They can always refuse medical care if they feel it is so tainted by socialism.  (NADT)

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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:37 am



THANKS, OBAMA!!!!!!

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Post by AuBricker » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:45 am



They're taking the news well:Hide Your Grandparents! The Five Most Panicked Right-Wing Reactions To King v. Burwellhttp://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hide-you ... -v-burwell my fav is wayne allyn root.  lol ​I'm offended that Michelle Malkin not only quotes what might be my favorite Cole Porter number, but seems to miss the point of the song's humorous barbs. 

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Post by Jim » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:45 am



I like how Roberts pointed out the conservatives' dissent in an earlier ACA case...

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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:58 am



So, Justice Roberts gave a big smile in response to Scalia's scolding.  Heh, heh.I just checked to see how the markets were responding to the big news.  Not much except a sigh of relief from a couple of the biggest insurance companies, but mostly the health care sector is flat.   That tells me the investors in this sector were pretty confident of the outcome and it ruling for Obamacare had been factored in for awhile.  Flat means stability and there is nothing the market likes better than predictability and stability.The health insurance industry breathed a big sigh of relief, and a national organization representing state regulators from both political parties said the court's decision will mean stable markets for consumers."This decision allows (state officials) to move forward with a level of confidence that their markets will not see significant disruption due to a paradigm shift," said Ben Nelson, CEO of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners and a former Democratic senator from Nebraska.Shares of publicly traded hospital operators including HCA Holdings Inc. and Tenet Healthcare Corp. soared after the ruling relieved those companies of the prospect of having to deal with an influx of uninsured people. Investors had worried that many patients would drop their coverage if they no longer had tax credits to help pay.Republicans said the ruling would not mean the end of the political fight over the law, widely dubbed "Obamacare." http://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-c ... 26205.html 

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Post by magdalen77 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:04 pm



Scalia: "Normal rules of interpretation seem always to yield to the overriding principle of the present Court: The Affordable Care Act must be saved,"​Crybaby.

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Post by vic » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:13 pm



For something which was so obvious to the dissenters, it sure took a long time before anyone noticed it in the bill.

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Post by Addie » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:22 pm

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Post by SuzieC » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:29 pm



Scalia:  "Pure applesauce."  How many of you kids think he wanted to write "pure bullshit" but his clerks talked him out of it?  And what has he got against applesauce?

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Post by Slim Cognito » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:44 pm

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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:59 pm



http://www.thestreet.com/story/13198069 ... =YAHOOWell, this drug company is not doing well today because a study has come out showing a correlation of the use of with an increase in melanoma cases.  (not causal)  They link it to they type of lifestyle of uses rather than the drug itself.  This is not good news for rich old horny toads.In other better news for the health sector, the SCOTUS decision has caused some joy on Wall Street.  Praise for Roberts and his 'judicial restraint'  and frowns for Scalia and his obsessive 'textualism.'   Whodathunk it?  Congress gets a raspberry as well.  Sloppy?   Our Congress....sloppy and careless?Priceless commentary.You gotta read the whole thing:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/congresss ... 10001.html

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Post by Reality Check » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:12 pm



Mark Joseph Stern at Slate.com makes an important point about the decision and how this is devastating to foes of the ACA:To my mind, the most astonishing aspect of Chief Justice John Roberts’ opinion in King v. Burwell is that it actually puts Obamacare’s opponents in a worse position than they were in before the lawsuit. Pre-King, the IRS had simply promulgated a rule that subsidies must be available to people in every state, regardless of the presence of an exchange. The Obama administration argued that, if the court found the text ambiguous, it should defer to the IRS and allow its rule to go forward. (This is the so-called Chevron deference.) Under that logic, a future administration could revoke the subsidies in states with no exchange just as easily as the Obama administration made the subsidies universally available.But on Thursday, Roberts held that the Chevron deference doesn’t apply. The subsidy question, he explains, is one of deep “economic and political significance” that cuts to the core of the law. Thus, “his is not a case for the IRS. It is instead our task to determine the correct reading of” the disputed section. Roberts then writes that “Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them,” so the court must hold that the “correct reading” of the law required subsidies to be made available in all 50 states.This is a breathtaking holding—and an absolutely devastating defeat for the conservatives who brought this challenge to Obamacare. What might have been an ambiguous portion of the text—and an opportunity for a future president to wreck the law—has now been made unambiguous by the court.No wonder, then, that Justice Antonin Scalia was hopping mad, writing in his dissent that the majority’s logic is “ure applesauce” and “interpretive jiggery-pokery.” The court didn’t just save Obamacare from this challenge; it also saved it from potential future sabotage. The court’s hardcore conservatives may be furious—but the president has a lot of celebrating to do.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... nyone.html 
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Post by Dolly » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:26 pm



MAY 26, 2015  from SalonGOP’s Obamacare scam undone: A former Republican senator exposes her party’s ACA lieRepublicans claim Congress meant to withhold Obamacare subsidies, but Olympia Snowe says that's nonsenseAt the center of King v. Burwell, the Supreme Court case that threatens to invalidate Obamacare health insurance subsidies in the majority of states, is a flagrant lie. The people who dreamed up the legal challenge to the Affordable Care Act argue that a single four-word phrase in the law’s text prevents the federal government from providing those subsidies to states that refused to set up their own health insurance exchanges. They also contend that Congress intended to draft the law this way, claiming that the provision served as a sort of incentive for states to build those exchanges. They don’t have much evidence to back up this gross rewriting of Obamacare’s history, but that’s the story they’re going with..........The Democrats who actually drafted and wrote the bill say this is all nonsense and that the entire case rests on a deliberate misreading of imprecise legislative language. But that’s exactly what they would say, right? Well, the New York Timesinterviewed the legislators and staffers who wrote the bill, and they – Republican and Democrat alike – all say that the King case rests on a legislative hiccup, and that Congress very much intended for the law’s subsidies to be universal.Notably, former Republican senator Olympia Snowe is among those swatting down the idea that Congress meant to withhold subsidies from certain states:“I don’t ever recall any distinction between federal and state exchanges in terms of availability of subsidies,” said Olympia J. Snowe, a former Republican senator from Maine who helped write the Finance Committee version of the bill.“It was never part of our conversations at any point,” said Ms. Snowe, who voted against the final version of the Senate bill. “Why would we have wanted to deny people subsidies? It was not their fault if their state did not set up an exchange.” The four words, she said, were perhaps “inadvertent language,” adding, “I don’t know how else to explain it.” <SNIP>http://www.salon.com/2015/05/26/gops_ob ... s_aca_lie/ 
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Post by mimi » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:49 pm



Scalia:  "Pure applesauce."  How many of you kids think he wanted to write "pure bullshit" but his clerks talked him out of it?  And what has he got against applesauce?​I thought it was cuz of Will Rogers.  I only ever heard the phrase cuz of Pat Cunningham's political blog, Applesauce.I tell you folks, all politics is applesauce.WILL ROGERS, The Illiterate Digest, 1924

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Post by Dolly » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:50 pm



Senate panel advances spending bill that chips away at ObamaCareThe Senate Appropriations Committee on Thursday advanced a nearly $153.2 billion bill that chips away at ObamaCare, just after the Supreme Court upheld a key portion of the healthcare law.It marks the first time the full committee reported the measure in two years.The measure would fund the departments of Health and Human Services (HHS), Labor and Education in the next fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1. Those departments would receive $3.6 billion less than Congress enacted for this year and a whopping $14.5 billion less than President Obama’s request.“This bill prioritizes programs that will provide a significant benefit to all Americans including providing the National Institutes of Health with a $2 billion increase to focus on advancing medical treatments, Precision Medicine and research to find a cure for Alzheimer's and cancer,” said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo), the chairman of the subcommittee that oversees the bill.During the Thursday markup, Republicans blocked amendments from Democrats such as one that would boost funding above budget caps that will return in October for a slew of health and education programs.Another blocked amendment would have reversed language in the bill that blocks funding to state-based exchanges operating under ObamaCare.  <SNIP>http://thehill.com/policy/finance/24615 ... -obamacare  
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Senate panel advances spending bill that chips away at ObamaCareThe Senate Appropriations Committee on Thursday advanced a nearly $153.2 billion bill that chips away at ObamaCare, just after the Supreme Court upheld a key portion of the healthcare law.It marks the first time the full committee reported the measure in two years.The measure would fund the departments of Health and Human Services (HHS), Labor and Education in the next fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1. Those departments would receive $3.6 billion less than Congress enacted for this year and a whopping $14.5 billion less than President Obama’s request.“This bill prioritizes programs that will provide a significant benefit to all Americans including providing the National Institutes of Health with a $2 billion increase to focus on advancing medical treatments, Precision Medicine and research to find a cure for Alzheimer's and cancer,” said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo), the chairman of the subcommittee that oversees the bill.During the Thursday markup, Republicans blocked amendments from Democrats such as one that would boost funding above budget caps that will return in October for a slew of health and education programs.Another blocked amendment would have reversed language in the bill that blocks funding to state-based exchanges operating under ObamaCare.  <SNIP>http://thehill.com/policy/finance/24615 ... -obamacare  
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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:23 pm



Thank you President Obama and everyone who has kept the faith. I have a Florida Blue private policy and with all the uncertainty just kept the non ACA version. Now I'll start looking next cycle and I bet many others will as well. The constant fighting and threats of repeal and lawsuits have slowed down the progress, yet these Republicans want to keep the uncertainty going. Maybe we should send them Losing Side charm bracelets. Profiles in courage:Jeb Bush, via a statement:    "I am disappointed by today’s Supreme Court ruling in the King v. Burwell case. But this decision is not the end of the fight against Obamacare. ...  As President of the United States, I would make fixing our broken health care system one of my top priorities.  I will work with Congress to repeal and replace this flawed law with conservative reforms that empower consumers with more choices and control over their health care decisions. Here is what I believe: We need to put patients in charge of their own decisions and health care reform should actually lower costs."Marco Rubio, via a string of tweets:    I disagree with the Court’s ruling and believe they have once again erred in trying to correct the mistakes made by President Obama... and Congress in forcing ObamaCare on the American people. Despite the Court’s decision, ObamaCare is still a bad law that is having a negative impact on our country and on millions of Americans. I remain committed to repealing this bad law and replacing it... with my consumer-centered plan that puts patients and families back in control of their health care decisions. We need Consumer Care, not ObamaCare.Mike Huckabee, via a statement:    Today's King v. Burwell decision, which protects and expands ObamaCare, is an out-of-control act of judicial tyranny. Our Founding Fathers didn't create a "do-over" provision in our Constitution that allows unelected, Supreme Court justices the power to circumvent Congress and rewrite bad laws. The Supreme Court cannot legislate from the bench, ignore the Constitution, and pass a multi-trillion dollar "fix" to ObamaCare simply because Congress misread what the states would actually do. The architects and authors of ObamaCare were intentional in the way they wrote the law. The courts have no constitutional authority to rescue Congress from creating bad law. The solution is for Congress to admit they screwed up, repeal the "nightmare of ObamaCare", and let states road-test real health care reforms.Rick Perry, via a statement:    The Obama Administration has ignored the text of the Affordable Care Act time and again, and today’s ruling allows them to continue to disregard the letter of the law. While I disagree with the ruling, it was never up to the Supreme Court to save us from Obamacare. We need leadership in the White House that recognizes the folly of having to pass a bill to know what’s in it. We need leadership that understands a heavy-handed, one-size-fits-all policy does nothing to help health outcomes for Americans.Carly Fiorinia, via Facebook:    It is outrageous that the Supreme Court once again rewrote ObamaCare to save this deeply flawed law despite the plain text and in the face of overwhelming evidence that the law is not working for the majority of Americans. … The lasting solution here is what we've been saying all along. We need to repeal ObamaCare. It hasn't worked. We need to do the one thing we've never tried in our healthcare system—real competition. We know that competition provides lower prices and higher quality. But instead of a free market, healthcare so far has been a regulated oligopoly. We used to regulate insurance companies in all 50 states and now, we’ve nationalized that process. All Americans agreed with President Obama's goals of quality, affordable care, but that is not what we got.
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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:32 pm



Here's the thing about that.  They are starving and killing the research projects that are working on treatments and cures for diseases that affect every single person including Congress people and their donors and all their own families.  None of them are immune.  Here in this area, we have one of the primary medical research hot spots in the country and the world with some of the most brilliant and dedicated researchers from all over the world.  Yet they are having to lay off their staff and close up their labs because of the funding cuts that have hit them so hard.  They have a state of the art facility that has been completed in Mission Bay.  My dermatologist (from England/Canada medical director for skin stem cells research. UCSF prof) just told me two weeks ago that the new  facility is silent, half empty due to lack of funds for staffing.  She had a print out on the waiting room side table describing her lab and its work and asking for donations.  When I asked her about it, she said that, yes, they were reduced to begging.  Her practice is mainly in a clinic for psoriasis,but her work is with the goal of providing relief from all kinds of skin problems.  Is there anyone who does not suffer from some kind of tormenting skin problem at sometime in their lives.  People like Ron and Rand Paul ,who are both in the medical field, claim that private charities can fill in to fund these things. It is not the role of the government to fund them.I am tempted to offer my own imprecatory prayer a la Rudy that they and the others Congress members responsible for these cuts will be  plagued by numerous variations of morgellons until they get the message.  (NADT)

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Post by esseff44 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:05 pm



I wonder if any of those losers even bothered to read the decision and had two prepared statements written up by aides ready to hit the wires.    Anyone who is so uninformed about how the balance of powers works ought to be laughed off the stage.Klowns tweeking their big red noses.http://soundfxnow.com/soundfx/Sad-Trombone.mp3  

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