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Bobb may have effectively protected herself from a perjury prosecution through the disclaimers in her certification, but IANACrL and I dunno.

But I think (although the same disclaimer applies) that she's in peril of an obstruction charge, and also of professional discipline. It's obvious that she had no basis to make any representations about the documents, or to hold herself out as "custodian." Indeed, it should have been obvious to her that she was being asked to sign the certification precisely because she knew nothing about its subject matter.
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much ado wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:38 pm
raison de arizona wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:52 pm
andersweinstein wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:43 pm Another piece on Bobb's role. The sources, perhaps including her lawyer, spin for team Bobb, but this in particular stood out as singularly implausible:



https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1579947485157466112
No she didn't. Unless tfg was being facetious.
Or unless Trump was lying to Corcoran in front of her to set her up.

Would Trump do something that devious?
He would were he clever enough, but alas...
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where "what they wanted" was an attestation that there were no other documents - as opposed to actually giving them all the documents.
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tek wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:10 pm where "what they wanted" was an attestation that there were no other documents - as opposed to actually giving them all the documents.
Right. "Tell them what they want to hear."
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Yes, I like that theory.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... xes-moved/
A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of the former president, according to people familiar with the investigation, who say the witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Donald Trump’s behavior as investigators sought the return of classified material.

The witness description and footage described to The Washington Post offer the most direct account to date of Trump’s actions and instructions leading up to the FBI’s Aug. 8 search of the Florida residence and private club, in which agents were looking for evidence of potential crimes including obstruction, destruction of government records or mishandling classified information.

The people familiar with the investigation said agents have gathered witness accounts indicating that, after Trump advisers received a subpoena in May for any classified documents that remained at Mar-a-Lago, Trump told people to move boxes to his residence at the property. That description of events was corroborated by the security-camera footage, which showed people moving the boxes, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
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And the case for conviction solidifies. :)
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realist wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:35 am
p0rtia wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:36 pm Yeah, what Ben said. And to Realist—I’m not looking for the press, or anyone else, to inform the worshippers; their failure misleads those who are trying to base their Opinions on the best evidence available. It also skews just about every aspect of political reporting in our era.
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I'd like to know if there is any evidence documents were moved to other Trump properties. It could get interesting.
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much ado wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:16 pm I'd like to know if there is any evidence documents were moved to other Trump properties. It could get interesting.
Funny you should ask. Wow if true.


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Dave from down under wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:50 pm And the case for conviction solidifies. :)
It's useful, it's step in the right direction, but far, far from enough. I'm losing patience with the well-credentialed former prosecutors who are screaming "indict now!" And "more search warrants!" Notably this witness doesn't seem to have any evidence about classified dox in other residences.

Just because you have a helpful witness whose testimony could theoretically justify an indictment -- i.e., survive a motion to dismiss -- doesn't tell you very much about whether you've done a thorough investigation or whether you're going to win at trial.
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This seems interesting.


Woah, woah, woah! Holy shit! Could this be the way the “sensitive materials” aka the classified documents got to Mar-a-Lago? Follow the receipts. I’ll post a link to the emails between Trump’s transition team and GSA below.
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I wonder if the FBI has geo tracked her phone through that drive.
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CNN now corroborates WaPo. That tells me that perhaps the witness’ lawyer wants to get out ahead of any spin trump will concoct. Just a hunch, though.


“Within Trump’s orbit, there have been months of dueling accusations and theories about who may be cooperating …. Some of [his] closest aides have continued to work with Trump even as they have seen FBI agents show up at their houses to question them and serve subpoenas.”
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NEW: #SCOTUS refuses to hear Trump appeal over Mar-a-Lago documents. No noted dissents.
Poorly described: the court denied Trump's application to vacate a portion of the Eleventh Circuit's partial stay of Judge Cannon's order.
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Curses! Foiled again!!!
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It was always clear that Chris Krise filed the application to placate his crazy client and give the appearance of earning his $3 million retainer.

That said,


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As predicted, and not a difficult call. Nothingburger with extra nothingcheese on top, smothered in nothingsauce, yum, yum. :shrug:

Moving forward ...


Mañana is the due date for the next brief by the DOJ, in actual fact the Opening Brief in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in the expedited appeal of Judge Cannon’s entire order.

I am going to go WAY out on a limb and ... not make a prediction about when it will be filed. :lol:
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:lol: In all these years, I'd never looked at the calendar and didn't really know there was one until Foggy brought it up a few times recently. You can find it from the Quick Links hamburger in the upper left or at https://thefogbow.com/forum/app.php/cal. There are some really fun picks. It's very cool, thank you for having this Foggy! :thumbsup:

It is missing August 30, 1960 which of course is Orly Taitz' birfday. 8-)

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Oct 30 Brazil runoff presidential election
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orlylicious wrote: Thu Oct 13, 2022 6:03 pm :lol: In all these years, I'd never looked at the calendar and didn't really know there was one until Foggy brought it up a few times recently.
It's a new thing, still a work in progress, but I'm trying to keep track of stuff that we're following - or just interesting stuff, like National Piña Colada Day or Talk Like A Pirate Day. Those should be combined, drink piña coladas and talk like a pirate, hmm. :think:

I can do other "static" pages too also, and you can make them out of html or BBCodes. BUT (there's always a "but" :roll:) only the admin can make, or edit, a page. So there won't be many. :mrgreen:
It is missing August 30, 1960 which of course is Orly Taitz' birfday. 8-)
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And great seeing the rope tightening around that fat criminal loser's neck.


Does anyone here read Balloon Juice? Betty Cracker over there is quite the prose stylist. She calls TFG the "bloated orange meat-sack."
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Walt Nauta is the former White House valet reportedly shown on Mar-a-Lago security footage moving boxes of documents, He also received nearly $150,000 from Trump's leadership PAC in payroll, travel expenses, and "advance consulting" between August 2021 and August 2022. 1/
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The plot thickens.
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